AlphaPhase
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Nice little article, I've always agreed that if farming in soil, I think growing the crops organically (outdoor) is probably the best option as well
Is hydroponics better for the environment? I think it is.
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testiclees
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In high brix the goal is to replace . k cations w Ca cations. K rich products are lush but not rich in minerals.
Check out the high brix grows on 420. There are zero nutrient issues w high Ca soil.
testiclees
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bro that is incorrect info. Nothing high K is used in high brix growing.
hyroot
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omg pure salts. That smoke would make anyone cough up a lung. Organics do have heavy metals. No where near as much as bottled nutrients. It also depends where the dry nutes originated. Alaskan kelp will have different levels than Norwegian kelp. And so on
st0wandgrow
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The plant takes up it's nutrients in the EXACT same elemental form regardless of whether it's derived from synthetics, or organics.
hyroot
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potassium converts to sugars when broken down. I also said it works ro a point. Natural sugars provide better / higher brix levels. As well.
hyroot
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derived from is the source before processed with chems and preservatives are added.
AlphaPhase
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High p, not k, was my impression
Heisenberg
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I was referring to the propagandist article you linked to.
Heisenberg
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Please define your use of the term "chemical". To most of us, chemical refers to any compound of elements, organic or not.
http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/everything-is-made-of-chemicals
churchhaze
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Feeding plants amino acids is totally pointless. So is feeding coconut water.
churchhaze
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What's a bottled nutrient? My salts come in plastic bags. Me and SDS already showed you test results showing our dry salts contain significantly less heavy metals than an organic kelp product. This is before being diluted to reservoir concentrations. What you're saying about raw salts having more heavy metals is wrong. I'd even go as far as calling you a liar, because I think you know better and understand this already. Either a liar or simply in denial of the test results.
Dr. Who
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@churchhaze
@hyroot
Hold it guys,,,,I see what your points are and you are both correct and wrong on some of them at the same time.....
It used to be that farms were small and feed families. They began to grow and feed communities. The farms in the area began to specialize in what they grew. But maintained that "Do it simple for less and get more"....As populations grew we began to look for ways to improve farming and synthetic fertilization was the key that opened Pandora's box.....You see,,as it became "clear" that you could grow 2 rotating crops (or even one with heavy synthetic use like on the HUGE wheat farms of the west) Even the super big farms you see starting 15 min west of Chicago are so large they feel they have no choice but to synthetic farm (Their children are the future of farming and those are the one's I try and share that "old School farming ideals with by invitation from the college's they attend) and produce high yields, the idea was to make more and more money by expanding the size of farms and specialize in those few, high return grain Crops....As time went by, almost all the farmers forgot the things I teach today...sustainable farming practice along with old style farming techniques. The idea that you have to farm one or two crops on huge and I mean HUGE farms is simply a waste of the land and the money of the farmer.....By being diverse. Raising the proteins (cows,sheep,chickens etc.) and having them work for you. Recovering fallow ground naturally with the raising of those proteins all the while they are also reintroducing those living bio's to the soil which in turn help all that follow for the first planting (BTW,,Fallow ground recovery (synthetically fertilized fields or "dead land") takes 3 years to be able to produce healthy organic crops.....the land then again "rests" while the proteins reinvigorate the land for grain crops again either the next or 2 years from the last > "grain to be grown dependent".
I have seen and toured a super size farm that has returned to the old practices of diversity and has returned thousands of acre's back to natural area's of "organic" health! This used to be a wheat farm that ran 6 very, very big harvesters at a time across single fields bigger then the 3 farm co-op I oversee! They supply all their results to mainly local (almost state wide) use! The only reason this happened was I pulled hard enough at the hearts of the 2 children of the farmer of the land to convince dad to to take the time required to change....3 year minimum is hard to understand for people who do not trust change from the only thing they have ever known!! The place was so big they would change in quarters of the farm and it took 12 years to complete the change....Dad is still alive and could not be prouder of his kids...The farm makes more money then before and all the while employing more to increase the local economy! I speak with these no longer kids often....They come on some of my lectures to show pic's and films to prove that it can be done!
You see the point I'm trying to make is that these "MEGA" farms do what they do because that's all they know how to! We have to change the way these mega farms think....If we can stop attempting to feed the world from across the country by mega farming particular food stuffs and diversify. Then feed locally, more effectively,,,all the while benefiting the ecology...we can bring this to the world and make change real!
This is how most farming is done in England,Germany and across most of the EU....Big corporations buy their needs from the local guy, expanding the foot print of "local" farming to the big city and beyond! Don't get me wrong here, there are corporate super farms in the EU...but they are far more effective at how they do it...
Monsatan can dry up and blow away> Along with Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) and Cargill....We do not need chemical nutrition to "save" the planet....Only the wise and careful use of what we have!
Doc
@hyroot
Hold it guys,,,,I see what your points are and you are both correct and wrong on some of them at the same time.....
It used to be that farms were small and feed families. They began to grow and feed communities. The farms in the area began to specialize in what they grew. But maintained that "Do it simple for less and get more"....As populations grew we began to look for ways to improve farming and synthetic fertilization was the key that opened Pandora's box.....You see,,as it became "clear" that you could grow 2 rotating crops (or even one with heavy synthetic use like on the HUGE wheat farms of the west) Even the super big farms you see starting 15 min west of Chicago are so large they feel they have no choice but to synthetic farm (Their children are the future of farming and those are the one's I try and share that "old School farming ideals with by invitation from the college's they attend) and produce high yields, the idea was to make more and more money by expanding the size of farms and specialize in those few, high return grain Crops....As time went by, almost all the farmers forgot the things I teach today...sustainable farming practice along with old style farming techniques. The idea that you have to farm one or two crops on huge and I mean HUGE farms is simply a waste of the land and the money of the farmer.....By being diverse. Raising the proteins (cows,sheep,chickens etc.) and having them work for you. Recovering fallow ground naturally with the raising of those proteins all the while they are also reintroducing those living bio's to the soil which in turn help all that follow for the first planting (BTW,,Fallow ground recovery (synthetically fertilized fields or "dead land") takes 3 years to be able to produce healthy organic crops.....the land then again "rests" while the proteins reinvigorate the land for grain crops again either the next or 2 years from the last > "grain to be grown dependent".
I have seen and toured a super size farm that has returned to the old practices of diversity and has returned thousands of acre's back to natural area's of "organic" health! This used to be a wheat farm that ran 6 very, very big harvesters at a time across single fields bigger then the 3 farm co-op I oversee! They supply all their results to mainly local (almost state wide) use! The only reason this happened was I pulled hard enough at the hearts of the 2 children of the farmer of the land to convince dad to to take the time required to change....3 year minimum is hard to understand for people who do not trust change from the only thing they have ever known!! The place was so big they would change in quarters of the farm and it took 12 years to complete the change....Dad is still alive and could not be prouder of his kids...The farm makes more money then before and all the while employing more to increase the local economy! I speak with these no longer kids often....They come on some of my lectures to show pic's and films to prove that it can be done!
You see the point I'm trying to make is that these "MEGA" farms do what they do because that's all they know how to! We have to change the way these mega farms think....If we can stop attempting to feed the world from across the country by mega farming particular food stuffs and diversify. Then feed locally, more effectively,,,all the while benefiting the ecology...we can bring this to the world and make change real!
This is how most farming is done in England,Germany and across most of the EU....Big corporations buy their needs from the local guy, expanding the foot print of "local" farming to the big city and beyond! Don't get me wrong here, there are corporate super farms in the EU...but they are far more effective at how they do it...
Monsatan can dry up and blow away> Along with Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) and Cargill....We do not need chemical nutrition to "save" the planet....Only the wise and careful use of what we have!
Doc
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hyroot
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do you feel threatened or something , thats the most asenine comment I've ever seen. use coconut water and you will see results in the same day. You will even have more pungent and more flavorful flowers. Fresh coconut water is full of enzymes, minerals, sugars, cytokines, saponins, amino acids. its a chelating agent as well. Only fresh coconut water. Bottled coconut water is pasteurized and watered down. The pasteurizing process kills off the enzymes
hyroot
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Please define your use of the term "chemical". To most of us, chemical refers to any compound of elements, organic or not.
http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/everything-is-made-of-chemicals
you know exactly what I mean. You are just trying to stir an argument
churchhaze
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I will not take hydroponic advice from someone who claims that "chemicals" are bad. Doesn't that just seem counter-intuitive to you? Don't you think it might make more sense to seek out an expert in chemistry to get advice from rather than someone who shows complete ignorance on the subject matter?
hyroot
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i grew hydro for 10 years in diy aero kits before switching to soil. I never looked back.. looks like your ego has gotten in the way of gaining knowledge
Man made chemicals are bad are toxic. thats a fact.
churchhaze
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Your stems are poison.
hyroot
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is that all you got lmao
churchhaze
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You're asking me to check my ego, yet you're calling my product poison. Get over yourself. Your product probably isn't even that good. If quality was poor when you grew hydroponically for 10 years, you are to blame.