Clone questions?!?!?!

[Cookie_rookie]

Just checked em no improvement
All still sagging color is normal, no wilting ( i dont think that's the same as sagging) but the clones are all sagging and feel kinda stiff

Please let em live and root

Anything I can do....

Some people sayin too wet some sayin not wet enough....

 

[Don Geno]

Usually i give them time to do there thing and not remove the dome until roots are present then remove the dome to see if the roots can provide if they wilt put the dome back on you want to gradually allow a little longer hour to hour so the plant can survive from a moist environment to a dry environment thats how i do it theres hundreds of methods jusy have to find what works for you

 

[Cookie_rookie]

I just hope they're not doomed they're on day 4-5 and sagging really bad & feel kinda stiff

 

[bluerock]

Dude, they are rooting. You will have to really fuck up to kill them at this point. That's not to say that they might still yellow out a bit, but it happens, wait till you get a bunch of roots and transplant. I try to avoid standing water in the tray and use the Grodan Gro-smart insert to keep them off the bottom (with 1.5" cubes). The Gro-smart insert is well worth the money. You can lift it out and look at ALL the clone bottoms in one shot.

 

[mr sunshine]

Why are shaking out the water? The whole point of rockwool is that it it can't be overwatered. I don't prefer the wrapped cubes for cloning, but they should work, just might take longer. Next time, skip the goop and stem prep. Use a toothpick to wally out a hole in the cubes, cut the branch, and stick directly in the cube, quickly.

As for your current problem, I'd give them a blast at the cube with a turkey baster of pH adjusted water / light nutrient solution. Crack those vents as well and ditch the misting. A little condensation on the walls of the dome is OK, but if it gets excessive, open the vents more to lower it.

85F is a bit hot. Keep in mind that those particular clones may start yellowing out before they root. Ignore it and be patient. They'll recover just fine once rooted.

Edit: Cut the wraps off, that would be better. The only reason I have ever found for cutting the leaves, is if you are cramming a lot of clones in the tray, it is best to avoid overlapping leaves. If you are using pH down to adjust, that in itself constitutes a light nutrient solution. If I add anything else, it is maybe a 1/8-1/4 tsp of maxigrow per 4 gallons solution. That may not be needed, it is just habit.

Wtf are you talking about? How can Rockwell cubes not be over watered? That's crazy talk.

 

[Cookie_rookie]

Too many different things people are telling me...

 

[mr sunshine]

Make life easy for yourself. .make clones place in tray with dome on, close vents .. mist plants ,mist inside of the dome.. place a small amount of water in tray(don't let Rockwell sit in water).. leave it closed for 5 days... Open it on day 5 let it air out water if necessary. . Then dome it again with the vents open.. go two or 3 days then take the dome off. . They should be able to maintain without wilting.. don't soak the cubes a week or two later you will see roots.

 

[skunkd0c]

glad to see they are rooting, next time try the smallest cubes, you are rooting cuttings in the grow size cubes

if you use the 1inch cubes you will "see" the roots much sooner, they will also keep that area less wet which delays rooting
just keep a small amount of water in the bottom of the dome to keep the humidity high
you should see condensation allover the roof of the dome
do not spray the cuttings very often every few days is plenty it delays rooting, keep the vents open for half the day
after about 8-10 days you can have less water at the bottom of the dome
if the rockwool blocks are still very wet this will delay rooting
you want to time it so that the blocks start to dry out at around day 10
then day 11 and 12 you should get a large burst of fluffy roots popping out of the blocks

peace

 

[researching]

You can definitely over saturate rockwool. Drier is better than too wet. I use rapid rooters and squeeze most the moisture out. I mist/spray to wet them as needed and not too much. It works well for me.

 

[bluerock]

Wtf are you talking about? How can Rockwell cubes not be over watered? That's crazy talk.

Rockwool is purpose-designed to maintain an optimum air/water ratio. Even though it feels heavy when wet, there is plenty of air in there. That being said, it must be able to naturally "drain off". If you don't use a Gro-Smart tray insert, then you must insure that there is no water in the bottom of the 10x20 flat. I typically have to water the 1.5" cubes every 3-5 days. A turkey baster works well for that.

On a flood table, production plants are typically flooded - to total rockwool saturation - twice per light cycle. Slabs are often used with continuous drip...meaning the rockwool is saturated all the time.

 

[skunkd0c]

keeping the cubes too wet delays rooting, no harm will come to the plants even when totally saturated rockwool contains enough air for the plants to grow

 

[Cookie_rookie]

Fastest anyone has gotten roots...?

Im reading some people sayin 4 days

I don't know If I believe that

 

[mr sunshine]

Fastest anyone has gotten roots...?

Im reading some people sayin 4 days

I don't know If I believe that

Na , maybe with an aero cloner..and even then probably not ...maybe a week or so with an aero cloner..

Rockwool is purpose-designed to maintain an optimum air/water ratio. Even though it feels heavy when wet, there is plenty of air in there. That being said, it must be able to naturally "drain off". If you don't use a Gro-Smart tray insert, then you must insure that there is no water in the bottom of the 10x20 flat. I typically have to water the 1.5" cubes every 3-5 days. A turkey baster works well for that.

On a flood table, production plants are typically flooded - to total rockwool saturation - twice per light cycle. Slabs are often used with continuous drip...meaning the rockwool is saturated all the time.

That's dumb. ..anything will dry out eventually. The tables should flood when it's time to water again you can't be flooding tables every hour everything will be to wet..because any type of medium can be over watered.

 

[bluerock]

Na , maybe with an aero cloner..and even then probably not ...maybe a week or so with an aero cloner..

That's dumb. ..anything will dry out eventually. The tables should flood when it's time to water again you can't be flooding tables every hour everything will be to wet..because any type of medium can be over watered.

Who said anything about flooding tables every hour? Twice per cycle is once at lights on and then, typically, 6 hours later. Sometimes longer. If the rockwool is not sufficiently moist, growth will suffer. When the plants are smaller, you flood once per cycle. I also said that I water clones about every 3-5 days. You don't want to let the rockwool dry up.

 

[mr sunshine]

Rockwool is purpose-designed to maintain an optimum air/water ratio. Even though it feels heavy when wet, there is plenty of air in there. That being said, it must be able to naturally "drain off". If you don't use a Gro-Smart tray insert, then you must insure that there is no water in the bottom of the 10x20 flat. I typically have to water the 1.5" cubes every 3-5 days. A turkey baster works well for that.

On a flood table, production plants are typically flooded - to total rockwool saturation - twice per light cycle. Slabs are often used with continuous drip...meaning the rockwool is saturated all the time.

You never said every hour it was an example. It proves that Rockwell can be over watered. If Rockwell can't be over watered then it shouldn't matter how often you flood the tables

 

[bluerock]

You never said every hour it was an example. It proves that Rockwell can be over watered. If Rockwell can't be over watered then it shouldn't matter how often you flood the tables

Did you read what I said about drip systems w/slabs? The slabs are, in effect, being continuously watered. That is used primarily in commercial greenhouses for non-cannabis plants....or to grow trees. If you continuously flooded a table, then you would have a DWC type system. I imagine it would work fine, but it would be far more cost effective to use a lid w/small cubes over the table and such systems have existed for a long time.

Furthermore, if you did want to flood once per hour, it would probably work fine. However, that would needlessly jack up the humidity and I doubt it would offer a yield improvement. The idea is that when the cubes start to get light from nutrient uptake, you add another flood cycle. Sometimes, I've flooded 3 times per light cycle. But again, extra humidity is created by the flooded table, I try to size my containers/blocks to use a maximum of 2 floodings per lights-on cycle.

This is way off topic, that's all I have to say to you about the matter.

 

[mwine87]

I take my cuttings, sit them in water for maybe ten minutes. Pack solo cups with Happy Frog, make a hole with a stick, insert cutting. Soak soil through and place under CFLs 80% success rate. No hormone necessary.

 

[mr sunshine]

Did you read what I said about drip systems w/slabs? The slabs are, in effect, being continuously watered. That is used primarily in commercial greenhouses for non-cannabis plants....or to grow trees. If you continuously flooded a table, then you would have a DWC type system. I imagine it would work fine, but it would be far more cost effective to use a lid w/small cubes over the table and such systems have existed for a long time.

Furthermore, if you did want to flood once per hour, it would probably work fine. However, that would needlessly jack up the humidity and I doubt it would offer a yield improvement. The idea is that when the cubes start to get light from nutrient uptake, you add another flood cycle. Sometimes, I've flooded 3 times per light cycle. But again, extra humidity is created by the flooded table, I try to size my containers/blocks to use a maximum of 2 floodings per lights-on cycle.

This is way off topic, that's all I have to say to you about the matter.

Yea it's all good. . You can definitely over water Rockwell cubes though. They hold water extremely well you should let them dry out a bit in between waterings.


I dont think it would be OK to flood anything every hour.. your roots would probably rot...

 

[mr sunshine]

And by over watering I don't mean at one time I'm talking about not keeping it soaking wet for two long...when dealing with fresh cuts/clones flinging those cubes gets you to where you want to be right off the bat ... we might be talking about the same thing ...maybe,

 

[caherbgrower]

Cloning has to be the easiest part of growing in my opinion. At first I was nervous and worried about the whole process partly because of all of the mixed info I was getting confused the shit out of me. You don't have to do anything fancy. You just have to be patient. The length of your cutting doesn't matter too much just don't cut it super short. I take tall ones to get a head start on height. Do a simple dip in rooting gel then into wet rock wool cubes. I pour a little water in the bottom of the tray put that on a heat mat under indirect light with a dome for 5 days! Don't open the dome at all unless the water dries up and you need to add more water !! After 5 days take the dome off a couple times a day for a few minutes at a time. After a week to two weeks you'll see roots. Don't transplant until you have a solid root structure or you'll run into wilting problems. Super easy, often over - complicated.