Organic Feeding 101.

testiclees

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I wonder how good a pumpkin seed sprout tea would be for flowering oh man all that phosphorus and potassium...

Never sprouted punkin seeds. But its not npk that makes sst work. Sst.is effective because of the enzymes. That is also why sst has a very short shelf life.

Also as far as kelp in aact ...microscopy shows that, for most situations, kelp inhibits the desired biota when brewing compost tea. If you are brewing for npk and trace elements then it would not matter.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Never sprouted punkin seeds. But its not npk that makes sst work. Sst.is effective because of the enzymes. That is also why sst has a very short shelf life.

Also as far as kelp in aact ...microscopy shows that, for most situations, kelp inhibits the desired biota when brewing compost tea. If you are brewing for npk and trace elements then it would not matter.
yea, i always do my nute teas and my AACTs apart.
Also my SSTs are solely that too.
Course i haven't really had to use any nute teas in a while, i'm still workin on my dandelion/comfrey fpe i made last yr..
that thing goes sooooo long..
i made five gallons and i use a pint glass per 4 gallons, but the stuff is so damn good i don't have to hardly feed.
 

mouse1818

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you absolutely sure its a mag def?
In organics its not a common def
You can give it some by giving it a BSM tea.
Simple and fast.
Plus other micro nutes too.
just be SURE it is a def...
Just saying, like 98% of the time in a built soil it's not a def.
I'm 98% sure its mag def. It is showing all the symptoms a mag def has like green veins, leaves praying ect. I sprayed it with some epsom salt and it seems to be doing better. The only other thing I can think of is root gnats because I do still have gnats but I've been managing them.
 

mouse1818

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Never sprouted punkin seeds. But its not npk that makes sst work. Sst.is effective because of the enzymes. That is also why sst has a very short shelf life.

Also as far as kelp in aact ...microscopy shows that, for most situations, kelp inhibits the desired biota when brewing compost tea. If you are brewing for npk and trace elements then it would not matter.
What about a bamboo and alfalfa sprout tea the fasted growing plant in the world! I bet that tea would skyrocket the cannabis plant in veg.
 

testiclees

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What about a bamboo and alfalfa sprout tea the fasted growing plant in the world! I bet that tea would skyrocket the cannabis plant in veg.
ya alfalfa sprout tea is consided explosive. Bamboo though doesnt make sprouts it grows from rhizomes, pretty sure. Bamboo droppings do make a silicon rich addidition to worm bin...i do this sometimes when i visit a bamboo grove!
 

Darth Vapour

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Don;t matter what you try to make grow faster sometimes its strain related ,, problem is your looking at your plants to much lol there fore it seems to grow slow ...
Give them what they need and they will grow as long as roots have room to grow so will plant hinder plant with pot size ??? will in fact slow growth and potential ...
just saying indoor C02 to speed things up
outdoor pray to the sun gods as well give them what they need.. If i was to look at my plants every day ,, i would say dam its growing slow .. go there few days later and wow them fuckers grew ,, See what i am getting at lol
If your going to spend so much time looking at your plants then get close and Breath on them give them some c02 lol
 

mouse1818

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Don;t matter what you try to make grow faster sometimes its strain related ,, problem is your looking at your plants to much lol there fore it seems to grow slow ...
Give them what they need and they will grow as long as roots have room to grow so will plant hinder plant with pot size ??? will in fact slow growth and potential ...
just saying indoor C02 to speed things up
outdoor pray to the sun gods as well give them what they need.. If i was to look at my plants every day ,, i would say dam its growing slow .. go there few days later and wow them fuckers grew ,, See what i am getting at lol
If your going to spend so much time looking at your plants then get close and Breath on them give them some c02 lol
Lol yea I look at my plant at least 3 times day lol.
 

mouse1818

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Organic feeding provides great results. A good organic grow starts with the soil. (look at subcool's section on that. he knows soil.) Im going to go over strictly what to do once the plant is in the dirt, and you still need to feed them something. Feeding the plants the right stuff is key to successful grows, and knowing what to feed and when, is needed for every grower.

If your plant has some sort of issue, theres threads on that https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/488004-guide-nutrient-deficiency-toxicity.html . this thread is gonna cover what do to AFTER you notice a deficiency, or just to keep a healthy garden. this will be using only organic nutrients. Ive purchased bottles of guano, and molasses and wondered... what now? well this is what now.

**note: most of these teas/mixtures involve some mixing, but a lot of wait time. this is to fully let the properties of the substance combine with the water, and for microbial activity to start. Do not skip the waiting**

Vegetative Teas:

Worm humus:
Origin:this mix is produced from the excrement of worms. they ingest organic material and you end up with this. The best quality of worm humus is going to be from the Californian worms.
Provides: water soluble, and boosts microbes in the soil
Preparation: In 5 liters of water, add in 400gr (about 2 cups) and let it sit for 2 days. stirring every so often to keep it well mixed and the water somewhat oxygenated.
Application:During the watering, mixing 1 part of poo-juice with 3 parts water. you can add this in weekly.

Blood Meal:
Origin: After removing and drying blood from animals(usually in a slaughterhouse), it is ground up into a fine powder.
Provides about 12-15%N, 1.2%P, and 1%k
Preparation: in a container, add 1 part blood meal to 9 parts water. cover. over 1 week, open to burp the mix, and stir. after, filter with coffee strainer.
Application: Applying usually only when N deficiency is noted, add to water to create a 10%-25% strength solution.

Gypsum
Origin: CaSO4. Its a rock basically, you can find it naturally outdoors, or (probably easier) at a local plant shop.
Provides: Activates healthy microbial activity. Corrects salinity (toxic salt levels). Provides sulfur, calcium and potassium. Regulates pH, and most importantly, helps in the absorption of N.
Preparation: add 1 pound of gypsum powder (use a mortar and pistil if its too coarse) to the inside of a nylon stocking, or other fine screen material. place this inside a container with 5L of water. Cover. leave for 1-2 weeks, opening the container to stir briskly every few days.
Application: Add it in with the water when pH is unstable, max 10% strength (so dilute it!). dilute it to 5% if mixing it with a N tea, and can be used weekly.

Fishmeal
Origin: obtained from dried, ground fish.
Provides: 8%N, 7%P, trace elements.
Preparation: mix 10% of this powder with 90% water in a container. leave it a week covered, and opening it to burp out the gas (dont breathe it in, smells). Filter at the end of the week.
Application: Dilute the mix, 1part fishgoop with 10 parts water. add in weekly with the feedings, or when a N/P deficiency is noted.

Bat Guano
Origin: decomposed bat poo. preferably pasteurized (since bats can and do carry disease, like rabies!)
Provides: High in N, but also contains P and trace elements. Fresher guano has higher N rating
Preparation: 2 tablespoons of bat poo in 4 -5 liters of water. let sit for 1 week
Application: mix the finished poo water, 1 part to 3 parts water. use every 2 weeks.

Mixed Teas: This is ok for veg + flowering.

Compost Tea (one of my favorites, as i use ground up male plants, or the sticks/stems/fan leaves of the harvested females for this)
Origin: The easiest to come across commercially, or to make at home. this is used worldwide with a variety of ingredients.
Provides: A big boost of microorganisms, helps feed the plants, and boosts a plant's immune system. NPK ratios vary depending the type of compost made.
Preparation: Place a bunch of dead plants in a nylon stocking or screen, put that inside a bucket with about 15L of water, adding water as it evaporates (which means leave it uncovered). after 2 weeks, dump the inside of the bag/screen/stocking back with the rest of your compost pile outside or throw it away or whatever.
Application: If you want to foliar feed this, filter it well, then 1:8 ratio of tea to water. otherwise, just add it in when watering, at a 1:5 ratio. use it every 2 weeks.

Alfalfa Tea. (can also be used during flowering)
Origin: your rabbit's food. this is ground up alfalfa, leaves, stems.
Provides: 2.5%n, 5%p, and 2%k.
Preparation: grabbing a nylon sock and filling with 1 part of the alfalfa, setting it into a bucket with 10 parts water. leave it for a week to create a strong tea.
Application: use every 2 weeks, diluted 1part tea with 10 parts water.

Manures
Origin: the business end of various animals.
Provides: This really depends on what the animal ate, and what the animal is. Rough estimates are:
Cows: .6%N-.3%P-.3%K
horse: .6%N-.6%P-.4%k
Rabbit: .5%N-1.2%P-.5%K
Sheep: .8%N-.5%P-.4%K
Pigs: .6%N-.6%P-.4%K
Preparation: 1 part crap to 10 parts water, in a bucket. 2 weeks, stirring periodically. (again, this is better for the nylon stockings, otherwise your gonna have to filter it - yuck)
Application: 1 part poop water to 1 part water. can be used every 2 weeks.

Fruit tea, with or without Molasses.
Origin: made with fermenting fruits. its recommended to add molasses for flowering.
Provides: Rich in NPK, but also contains calcium and some other trace elements. Very rich in microbial activity. Using molasses adds a large amounts of carbs and can contribute to fungus (in high heat grows)
Preparation: Cut fruits into small pieces. place in a container and cover them with molasses( OR cut up fruits, place into a ziploc bag with NO molasses or air) Let it sit for 2 weeks, opening it periodically to let out gases. filter.
Application: 1 tablespoon of fruit rot juice (ew) to 1 liter of water. use it every 10 days.

Flowering Teas:

Banana Peel Tea.
Origin: Bananas. Cheap to make. eat the banana, use the peels.
Provides: Strong Potassium Boost. ideal for flowering.
Preparation: after selecting 4 bananas, and eating the insides, place the 4 peels into a pot, with 4 cups of water (1L). You can also add in 2 tablespoons of molasses. Bring to a boil. let boil for 5 minutes. remove the peels. let cool. place in jars for storage.
Application: mix this 1 part banana goop to 2 parts water. use every 2 weeks.

Sea Weed
Origin: algae or kelp, dried, ground into a powder.
Provides: Lots of K, and trace elements, aminoacids, vitamins, hormones.
Preparation: 100grams of algae powder + 2Liters of water, let sit overnight.
Application: mix 1 part of sea weed juice to 3 parts water, and apply during waterings. can be used every watering.

Paper Ash tea.
Origin: This powder is obtained from burned paper. make sure the paper has no pigments (inks), glues, adhesives, or plastic covering. just plain paper. the cheaper the stuff, the better.
Provides: 5% P and 2% K
Preparation: Burn the paper fully. Ground up the ash. 100g of ash mixed with 2 L of water. let sit 10 days, then filter.
Application: use every 15 days, mixed 1 part ash juice to 2 parts water.

Bonemeal
Origin: Bones, crushed, ground up.
Provides: some N (3%?) and around 7% of P. high in calcium
Preparation: cook in a pot for 10 minutes, 200grams of bonemeal with 6 liters of water, and 1/2 cup of baking soda. let cool, then remove any grease that may have formed at the top. filter the rest of the mix.
Application: Use 1 part bone water to 3 parts water. use it at the start of the 12/12 cycle, or the start of flowering. will last the entire grow.



if you guys have other recipes, post them on here!
For the rotten fruit tea when you say: Using molasses adds a large amounts of carbs and can contribute to fungus (in high heat grows) That's a good thing right?
 

strainbank

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might be a stupid question, but is this whole thread about teas? im a bit curious about other organic feeding. i heard of crushed bone and fish protein and obviously cow poop ha. they sell fish protein stuff at home depot but it doesnt work for hydro systems. any help?
 

VTMi'kmaq

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might be a stupid question, but is this whole thread about teas? im a bit curious about other organic feeding. i heard of crushed bone and fish protein and obviously cow poop ha. they sell fish protein stuff at home depot but it doesnt work for hydro systems. any help?
Organics +hydro idk bout that, but crganics +soil makes me smile1
 

Desr

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Is veganic still organic? If something is veganic is it always organic too? Or is there a grey area?
 

TripleMindedGee5150

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Sup folks.

I've been reasearching different ways of growing since 2010. Started in 2012. Joined here in 2013. Last two harvest have been the best for me so far. Kinda all becoming familiar.
Anyway, I've always used bottled nutes. Actually, last season was my first time using supersoil outdoors.

I've always used EarthJuice. My garden looks great. But the point is......

I've finally decided to go ahead and do AACT, but since I've started with bottled nutes should I just finish with them? For my veggies I use the Earthlink Bloom formula after using fox farm Grow Big. My Candyland I've used Grow Big since it's still Early Veg. I go by the bottle dosage per gallon. Everything has always turned white and soft ash.


So would it be to opposite sides to introduce a tea now oh and if I use a tea specific for mmj its good for vegetables too? I only have 2 mmj plants. And my one in coco.
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Darth Vapour

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idunno with the tea craze its only there for people to cover there sorry ass for not having a proper soil to begin with . i do not care what most people will say Teas are to feed the soil ,
Here is a good one ,,
did you know your plants also feed the soil, and micro life..But as humans we need to fuck even up the natural process of organics ,, You know the way nature intended ..
But not for most stoners
Here is a thought if you cannot make a soil that will take any plant from start to finish ( full season ) then i suggest you fucking quit growing period ..
Cause your a idiot my 12 year old daughter can make a soil and complete a full season in our garden with only water used .. what does that say for you ?
Its pretty simple really
#1 have a compost bin
#2 save all scraps peels you name it even used fats
#3 i you do not eat veggies hit a restaurant ask them to save veggie scraps they go through 1000 pounds a week of it
#4 go worm hunting usually on sides of roads after and during rain falls dig some up more the better

making a simple soil how fucking hard can this be folks seriously only on MJ sites it appears it can be the hardest to make .... fuck me funny shit really
My simple soil mix

1 - 40 percent compost from my compost bin
2 - 40 percent new top soil screened
3 -- 10 percent fresh grass clippings
4 - 5 percent cardboard
5 - 5 percent worms
and rain water only
Here is a plant that only gets rain water and is in 3rd week of forced flower out door totally healthy
no teas no nutrients just soil mix from above you be the judge and and another plant planted may 26 - 28 ish out door from clone
 

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TripleMindedGee5150

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idunno with the tea craze its only there for people to cover there sorry ass for not having a proper soil to begin with . i do not care what most people will say Teas are to feed the soil ,
Here is a good one ,,
did you know your plants also feed the soil, and micro life..But as humans we need to fuck even up the natural process of organics ,, You know the way nature intended ..
But not for most stoners
Here is a thought if you cannot make a soil that will take any plant from start to finish ( full season ) then i suggest you fucking quit growing period ..
Cause your a idiot my 12 year old daughter can make a soil and complete a full season in our garden with only water used .. what does that say for you ?
Its pretty simple really
#1 have a compost bin
#2 save all scraps peels you name it even used fats
#3 i you do not eat veggies hit a restaurant ask them to save veggie scraps they go through 1000 pounds a week of it
#4 go worm hunting usually on sides of roads after and during rain falls dig some up more the better

making a simple soil how fucking hard can this be folks seriously only on MJ sites it appears it can be the hardest to make .... fuck me funny shit really
My simple soil mix

1 - 40 percent compost from my compost bin
2 - 40 percent new top soil screened
3 -- 10 percent fresh grass clippings
4 - 5 percent cardboard
5 - 5 percent worms
and rain water only
Here is a plant that only gets rain water and is in 3rd week of forced flower out door totally healthy
no teas no nutrients just soil mix from above you be the judge and and another plant planted may 26 - 28 ish out door from clone
Lol you been using mad cow compost? Because you sound mad bro. Shit, as if someone just step on your brand new Jordan's. Is it really that offensive to use tea....?

It would have been nice to have had prepared my soil like that. As close as you're gonna get earthly as possible. I get it. Shit you probably get your worms off amazon. If you don't well then, I just don't really have the time to stop on the side of the road, and dig up worms. My "sorry ass" has to settle for something convenient to me at this time. I have a small garden besides.

I used compost and my dirt. Maybe next time I do try and amend my soil for just water.

But wouldn't a brewed tea be better than bottled shit? Whatever though Darth Vapour I guess you told me. I really hope you're over 50. Cranky ass
 
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cannakis

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yea, i always do my nute teas and my AACTs apart.
Also my SSTs are solely that too.
Course i haven't really had to use any nute teas in a while, i'm still workin on my dandelion/comfrey fpe i made last yr..
that thing goes sooooo long..
i made five gallons and i use a pint glass per 4 gallons, but the stuff is so damn good i don't have to hardly feed.
Do you have some pictures of your bud? It's been almost a year now from when I built that soil.... Finally it doesn't burn... Much... Hahaha! I wish I would have listened. But I will be getting into making the teas again soon and nutes... I just want to see your results from it
 

cannakis

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idunno with the tea craze its only there for people to cover there sorry ass for not having a proper soil to begin with . i do not care what most people will say Teas are to feed the soil ,
Here is a good one ,,
did you know your plants also feed the soil, and micro life..But as humans we need to fuck even up the natural process of organics ,, You know the way nature intended ..
But not for most stoners
Here is a thought if you cannot make a soil that will take any plant from start to finish ( full season ) then i suggest you fucking quit growing period ..
Cause your a idiot my 12 year old daughter can make a soil and complete a full season in our garden with only water used .. what does that say for you ?
Its pretty simple really
#1 have a compost bin
#2 save all scraps peels you name it even used fats
#3 i you do not eat veggies hit a restaurant ask them to save veggie scraps they go through 1000 pounds a week of it
#4 go worm hunting usually on sides of roads after and during rain falls dig some up more the better

making a simple soil how fucking hard can this be folks seriously only on MJ sites it appears it can be the hardest to make .... fuck me funny shit really
My simple soil mix

1 - 40 percent compost from my compost bin
2 - 40 percent new top soil screened
3 -- 10 percent fresh grass clippings
4 - 5 percent cardboard
5 - 5 percent worms
and rain water only
Here is a plant that only gets rain water and is in 3rd week of forced flower out door totally healthy
no teas no nutrients just soil mix from above you be the judge and and another plant planted may 26 - 28 ish out door from clone
Yeah I work in a restaurant and don't save it really... My buddy keeps telling me to start one laziness I guess... I guess really I don't know if I should have Two poles and add fresh scraps to the one while I turn and use the other...!?
 

greasemonkeymann

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I got a couple, not many as my camera does this weird constant focusing thing.
BOTH of these plants got a little mite infestation, my buddy gave me a girl scout cookie that infected em.
Second pic is of a blurry ass purple paralysis, First pic is the poor sugarpunch that revegged forever, and the last is my fav the madjackberry, (weirdest smell and taste I've ever grown)
the last two got a lil beat up from the mites, but they came out alright, THIS harvest is another story though, I have a bunch of theses in veg ready to go.I took a BUNCH of pics of this mammoth purple paralysis but the pics are blurry as hell. 100_0738.JPG 100_0707.JPG
In about 60 days i'll have pics of what these really can do, now that my strain-hunting craze is somewhat in check.
 
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