londonfog
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why do you say now that Tim McVeigh was not a terriost
Church shooting.
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desert dude
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According to Nate Silver, American blacks are victims of homicide 1200% greater than in comparable developed countries. Since 90% of black homicide victims are killed by black perpetrators... well, you do the math.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/
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ginwilly
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I'm with you in that it was terrorism, I mean the dude stated his goal was to start a race war. Just as I think Ft Hood was terrorism and was called workplace violence, it won't surprise if there is a reluctance to call this domestic terrorism. Kind of defeats the purpose of all of that NSA spying if we can't stop things like this or the Boston bomber.
To stay consistent, either both actions are terrorism, or neither are, I think both are.
kelly4
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Do you view Eric Snowden as a terrorist?
londonfog
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no
kelly4
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Probably for the exact same reason I don't view Mcveigh as a terrorist.
IMO, if one is, they both are.
londonfog
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What violence did Snowden use again ?
desert dude
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Paddy, these were Christians that were murdered. I would think you would be kinda happy. Check your signature.
kelly4
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Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation"
That violence.
UncleBuck
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85% of whites are killed by whites, what's your point klanman?
UncleBuck
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desert dude, these were blacks that were murdered by a white man. i would think you would be really, really happy. check your history of joining white supremacy groups on this very website, whose members were rooting for a race war.
NewtoMJ
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There was nothing to fear after his capture, no group preparing more violence, no gov't threatening war. Just a man with a twisted mind and dark heart.
NewtoMJ
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Why do you believe Snowden is comparable to McVeigh?
kelly4
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Both were in the military. Both had been exposed to the bad things our military/government were capable of. Both were trying to open the eyes of the American people to things being done by the Government. Both were willing to give up their way of life to try and make a change.
Their methods were different, but their ultimate goals were very similar.
Going by definitions, both are terrorists.
NewtoMJ
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Snowden saw illegal surveillance activity, collected evidence and released it. McVeigh was delusional and saw ruby ridge and Waco as a government war on freedom, when the government admitted to being wrong, so he decided the best course of action was to bomb a building. ISIS wants a better world, so I guess most people are just like them, just using different methods.
kelly4
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Are you a tax paying citizen of the USA?
Cuz if you are, you would be considered a terrorist by tens/hundreds of millions of people around the world.
NewtoMJ
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Yes, and yes. But what does that have to do with Snowden and McVeigh?
So you have absolutely no point to make other than you wanted to be condescending.. and incorrect. Murder is murder, manslaughter is manslaughter. They are 2 different things.
This guy is clearly in first degree territory. Does calling him a terrorist make his crime any more punishable? Nope. He will be executed for murder, not terrorism.