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Would you consider buying a VERO after reading through some of the posts?

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Rahz

Rahz

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vitamin_green_inc said:
SOG(sea of green) is a bunch of plants to equal a forest and SCROG(screen of green) is just a few plants with a to equal that same forest. SCROG usually yields about 1.5x-2 as much as SOG but you can make up for that by having 2-3 runs in a SOG system so it's honestly up to how to you run things-a lot of plants/multi strains-SOG, a few plants vegged for awhile-SCROG...in terms of LED, with SCROG/a nice even canopy, you don't need penetration because nothing will be growing beneath the screen...in SOG you usually lollipop the bottom branches but you have individual trees that might be crowding each other out, especially if you'd don't train, so you will need greater penetration. Hope that helps!
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Hmm, can you go into detail on why SOG yields less? I'm switching from SCROG to SOG. My experience with SCROG was thick canopies and very little chance for penetration below them. My only grow where the colas stretched significantly produced the best yield and my thinking was either A- very healthy plants B- increased surface area exposed to light, or C- both.

Anyway, it seems like it would be easier to get that increased surface area with SOG since it's possible to control the spacing between plants.

Either way I think SOG will be a pretty good deal, and fun to experiment with regardless. I will have 23 plants in an 18 sq/ft area, so hoping I can go perpetual.
 
vitamin_green_inc

vitamin_green_inc

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Rahz said:
Hmm, can you go into detail on why SOG yields less? I'm switching from SCROG to SOG. My experience with SCROG was thick canopies and very little chance for penetration below them. My only grow where the colas stretched significantly produced the best yield and my thinking was either A- very healthy plants B- increased surface area exposed to light, or C- both.

Anyway, it seems like it would be easier to get that increased surface area with SOG since it's possible to control the spacing between plants.

Either way I think SOG will be a pretty good deal, and fun to experiment with regardless. I will have 23 plants in an 18 sq/ft area, so hoping I can go perpetual.
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You can do way more than that. 23 plants in 18sq foot isn't a SOG IMO. I can fit 4 2 liters per sq foot, you can do clones as soon as they show roots throw them in the 2 liter and flower, cut any lower trash bud sites but the plants should grow as mostly 1 main cola. It will basically be all grade A colas so the yield is less(a little) but you can do say 6 sq feet and then wait 3 weeks then do another 6 sq foot. And a SOG you can fit 1.5-2x as many harvests int the time you do SCROG. It's just a lot of work lol
 
Rahz

Rahz

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vitamin_green_inc said:
You can do way more than that. 23 plants in 18sq foot isn't a SOG IMO. I can fit 4 2 liters per sq foot, you can do clones as soon as they show roots throw them in the 2 liter and flower, cut any lower trash bud sites but the plants should grow as mostly 1 main cola. It will basically be all grade A colas so the yield is less(a little) but you can do say 6 sq feet and then wait 3 weeks then do another 6 sq foot. And a SOG you can fit 1.5-2x as many harvests int the time you do SCROG. It's just a lot of work lol
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Ok well, that means it's possible I went too big with the containers. I'm using 1 gallon buckets. They're black and cheap and I thought they would be perfect but can't get 4 per foot. A one-two week veg in a separate space would be one remedy, though that would preclude 2 flower chambers. I have some clones rooting now so I will try straight to flower and see how much space gets wasted. I can always find new containers but between the two flower chambers that would be over 100 plants at 4 per foot... I'm sure it would be worth it but that's a lot of plants!
 
salmonetin

salmonetin

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guod said:
your daisychain has a killing feature...

male -> female and not male -> male

if you no what i mean
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decoding daisychain... what ocurr on your auxiliary male exposed connector for daisychain ....when the lamp its connected with AC?...

...ok... the conectors metal exposed pins can shock you with AC....

,...Guod told you...one side male other side female.... the auxiliar connector on the other side better one female conector... the pins are not exposed...to possibles contacts...
...thanks Guod :hug: other great mental seed...;):fire:

....or a lid for the auxiliary AC connector... or AC connector with lead works too...

PD...hotswapping cobs...bad idea too... Guod told you too... with her special humor...

...the security first ever...
 
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AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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salmonetin said:
decoding daisycahain... what ocurr on the male exposed connector when the lamp its connected with AC?...

...ok... the conectors metal exposed pins can shock you with AC....

,...guod told you...one side male other side female.... the auxiliar connector on the other side better one female conector... the pins are not exposed...to possibles contacts...
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Yes, I now see both of your points.

Survival of the fittest!

:lol:

edit: Thank you for bringing this to my attention, Salmonetin! I'm grateful that you're still around these days!

double edit: one would have to purposely stick both pinky fingers into female socket before any fatal possibilities would arise; improvisions do wonders my friend!

triple edit: look, a bunch of what I'm doing is new, yet controversial but will even out as time passes - no need to lose your jewels! ;)
 
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salmonetin

salmonetin

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......wrong again... only one live wire or contact + earth ...can shock you... :hump:

...two wires contact direct... ...more dangerous... normally the magneto-therm protection dont work ok... he believes you are other charge more...
...the magneto-therm protection its for protect wires...not person...

...one live wire + earth... contact indirect...or derivation ...dangerous... a good diferential work ok ..and stop quikly... depends on sensibility of diferential too...
...the diferential and a good earth its the only protections for persons... but only work on derivations or indirect contact (one wire + earth)... not on direct contact (two wires)...

...sometimes on great edificies (officines)... the earth wire... bit dangerous too...(posible sum of bit derivations from old harware machines, tv, scaners etc in the earth wires)...

http://www.tuveras.com/seguridad/contactos/contactos.htm

...how is the cost for one demand?... female conector are cheap on comparation.... but hey you think other solution its ok for you...your self..

....Wilson....time to shout my mouth and back to my cavern...
 
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AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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salmonetin said:
......wrong again... only one live wire or contact + earth ...can shock you... :hump:

...two wires contact direct... ...more dangerous... normally the magneto-therm protection dont work ok... he believes you are other charge more...
...the magneto-therm protection its for protect wires...not person...

...one live wire + earth... contact indirect...or derivation ...dangerous... a good diferential work ok ..and stop quikly... depends on sensibility of diferential too...
...the diferential and a good earth its the only protections for persons... but only work on derivations or indirect contact (one wire + earth)... not on direct contact (two wires)...

...sometimes on great edificies (officines)... the earth wire... bit dangerous too...(posible sum of bit derivations from old harware machines, tv, scaners etc in the earth wires)...
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And if the tips of the IEC female plug tips are covered with liquid electrical tape?:mrgreen:
 
nvhak49

nvhak49

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I know guys are flowering with the 4k vero18s but are they ok to veg with them too? wanting to get a spectrum that could both veg and flower.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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nvhak49 said:
I know guys are flowering with the 4k vero18s but are they ok to veg with them too? wanting to get a spectrum that could both veg and flower.
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Yes...... their excellent for veg and flower, a 660nm mono addition is optional and would be worth it down the road IMO.
 
vitamin_green_inc

vitamin_green_inc

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nvhak49 said:
I know guys are flowering with the 4k vero18s but are they ok to veg with them too? wanting to get a spectrum that could both veg and flower.
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I always just think of it in CFl terms because that's what I started out as grower using. 5000k is veg and 2700k is flower so in between like 4k is going to be good but maybe too close to 5k for flower? Tbh, all leds veg really well, so I would be more concerned with the ability of the light to flower rather than veg. I chose 3500k for my spectrum just FYI.
 
nvhak49

nvhak49

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Oh ok cool, yeah I'm currently using 5k vero 18s for vegging and loving it I just want another veg light and would like to flower with it too for breeding but than too bud quality doesn't really matter when your just breeding, but when I'm not breeding id like to use it for vegging. I have 8"x18 heat sink if like to put 6 or 8 vero 18s on and debating to either run them with two hlg-120 or one hlg-185. I'll have it in a 2x4x5 tent, is there any better ideas, I'd like to run them at 700mA and dim them too.
 
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