Is it curtains for Harper?

[OGEvilgenius]

Even if it were 500 down to 1 a day, that is not a cure. The problem remains. Dont be an idiot.

Again though...i am not arguing against the benfits of mj. I only ever said that people have not died as a result of being denied mj. Thats all.

And you all got your panties in a bunch because somebody spoke a truth you all want to deny for some strange reason.

And while mj has its benefits, it also has a downside. Just like with every pharma drug there is a trade off for the benfefit. And all of you who use weed regularly as medicine, as i do, know what the trade off is.

But very few of you would ever admit it because like every addict you dont want to face the truth...

I haven't even discussed dravet syndrome. It is a life saving medicine for those kids. Those seizures can kill. The more you have - and the intensity is much greater too without cannabis - the more likely you will die. If you can't admit you're wrong then you are the problem in this world.

Denying that people do die because of this hurts. It doesn't help.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Re read that. I didnt call you a whack job. I was speaking generally. I dont know you. So i couldnt have an opinion.

lol you called anyone who disagreed with your stupidity a wack job.

Just so we're clear though: I am calling you, directly, a fucking idiot.

 

[doingdishes]

Even if it were 500 down to 1 a day, that is not a cure. The problem remains. Dont be an idiot.

Again though...i am not arguing against the benfits of mj. I only ever said that people have not died as a result of being denied mj. Thats all.

And you all got your panties in a bunch because somebody spoke a truth you all want to deny for some strange reason.

And while mj has its benefits, it also has a downside. Just like with every pharma drug there is a trade off for the benfefit. And all of you who use weed regularly as medicine, as i do, know what the trade off is.

But very few of you would ever admit it because like every addict you dont want to face the truth...

you get the proof yet you deny it...you sound a lot like Rona...........a lot!
let me guess, no one emailed you the info so you don't believe it or it's not your job....
you said no one has died from not getting MMJ-what about the seizure the people had that killed the people that could have been prevented by taking the high CBD oil? would that not be a death due to not getting the MMJ? seems like not getting something that will prevent the "ONE" seizure that could kill you could make MMJ life saving.....
MMJ HAS saved many lives and arguing against it on this forum makes ZERO cents.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

You are 100% correct. I let other peoples stupidity goad me into futile arguments...

But the weed does help get me through those, as it does with my medical situation.

As for misreading about organ failure. I apologise. However, the weed is still not responsible for saving your life. You refuse the pharmacueticals that wouldve caused your death. Good. So you live.

What has weed got to do with that? If you can live without those pharm drugs then you can live without the weed. The weed just helps you get through the day easier.

Thanks for helping to make my point.

You've also apparently never dealt with extreme pain. My father has had patients kill themselves dealing with pain, because of the pain. But those people technically could live without drugs, as you say. Very empathic of you.

If any of that was true then we would not be having this discussion and marijuana would already be curing millions of others.

Sadly, that isnt the case. I can tell you that the earth is flat, but that doesnt make it true.

You have absolute faith the government does right for all. And that big companies do too. Good for you, naive one.

The first cancer study done recently (it was listed as a cancer treatment back in the late 19th early 20th century btw) by the US government trying to prove it caused cancer and showed the exact opposite was BURIED DELIBERATELY by those who put it together - the US government. Some of those involved with the study who thought the results were incredible (they were) went on the Internet/Usenet not too long after it became more prevalent and asked people to do FOIA requests for the study - which had been buried deep - and finally it came to light - barely. I mean Usenet in the late 80's and early 90's wasn't exactly a big news pushing center. But almost 40 years later this study and its story has finally come into a small % of the publics consciousness.

There isn't much money in a cure (or even just very effective treatment) for cancer, especially one that is completely unpatentable and cheap as hell to grow yourself. There is even less power if you make medicines that are effective legal for people to grow. Opium is illegal not because it's addictive, but because it's not patentable and controllable. That's it.

Wanna know what it takes for a government to stay a government? To maintain power. Nothing more. Giving people more power is NEVER something government will EVER do. Period full fucking stop. And these plants offer much power to people. But hey, that's a side issue.

 

[Gquebed]

And still...not one person can give me a name of a single person who has died from being denied weed. Not one...

People die from their illnesses...not weed denial.

And because nobody can give me that one name you need to attack, with supposition no less...even though i am a supporter of the cause not only with very significant amounts of money but with my personal time and political/legal resources as well...

The cause does not need pity whores and crack pots... which seems to be all there is here...

 

[OGEvilgenius]

And still...not one person can give me a name of a single person who has died from being denied weed. Not one...

People die from their illnesses...not weed denial.

And because nobody can give me that one name you need to attack, with supposition no less...even though i am a supporter of the cause not only with very significant amounts of money but with my personal time and political/legal resources as well...

The cause does not need pity whores and crack pots... which seems to be all there is here...

You're a clown. I gave you thousands and thousands and thousands of patients all forced into drugs much more dangerous because the alternative is kept under wraps. Oh, I didn't give you a specific name. Oh woe is me. I am such a fucking crack pot.

Then other people DO absolutely give you names of lives it's saving, and you deny it. Because you're not a crack pot, you're a reasonable guy looking at the facts and not your ego and beliefs .

 

[eddymatin]

 

[Gquebed]

And you all sit at home behind your computers and bongs whining and political powers that be and do nothing about it. All waiting for somebody else to

You're a clown. I gave you thousands and thousands and thousands of patients all forced into drugs much more dangerous because the alternative is kept under wraps. Oh, I didn't give you a specific name. Oh woe is me. I am such a fucking crack pot.

Then other people DO absolutely give you names of lives it's saving, and you deny it. Because you're not a crack pot, you're a reasonable guy looking at the facts and not your ego and beliefs .

What name? Shae? O fer fuck sakes....clinging to that bullshit?

What does it say on his death certificate?

Exactly.... cause of death? Nothing to do with weed. Period.

 

[torontoke]

..even though i am a supporter of the cause not only with very significant amounts of money but with my personal time and political/legal resources as well...

If you think you are supporting a cause politically legally or any other way please do everyone a favour and fuckin stop! If thats support keep it.
Instead of wasting all your money "helping the cause" u should be buying toilet paper stocks cus all you spew is bullshit. Might aswell make a few bucks off of your opinions

 

[doingdishes]

And still...not one person can give me a name of a single person who has died from being denied weed. Not one...

People die from their illnesses...not weed denial.

And because nobody can give me that one name you need to attack, with supposition no less...even though i am a supporter of the cause not only with very significant amounts of money but with my personal time and political/legal resources as well...

The cause does not need pity whores and crack pots... which seems to be all there is here...

i gave you one....David Shea
doesn't he count?
everyone dies from something don't they? nothing keeps people alive forever.....David died because the stuff that was keeping him alive (MMJ) he was no longer allowed to have..i would call that a death due to being denied...so you have been given your answer but you didn't like it so you ignore it....do you work for the Government? with that kind of logic, i can see why you think the way you do. it does save lives! not sure why you argue that

 

[Gquebed]

Yep. Saw it a couple times. Excellent vid. But even the doctors in it will tell you...nobody has died from being denied weed...

 

[Gquebed]

i gave you one....David Shea
doesn't he count?
everyone dies from something don't they? nothing keeps people alive forever.....David died because the stuff that was keeping him alive (MMJ) he was no longer allowed to have..i would call that a death due to being denied...so you have been given your answer but you didn't like it so you ignore it....do you work for the Government? with that kind of logic, i can see why you think the way you do. it does save lives! not sure why you argue that

I refused this one because my information says that he did not stop using weed. Why would he if he knew he would die as a result. I would argue anybody in that position would continue to use weed if it was that vital and risk going to prison...because they dont put terminally ill people in prison. Period.

So either he stopped using because he didnt need it and was going to die anyway or he kept using weed till the end? Which is it?

And if this death by weed denial is such a widespread problem then why is it you can only come up with one name??

As much as you need Shea to be a martyr for this cause he is simply not. Sorry...

 

[eddymatin]

A nice read : http://www.wired.com/2015/07/medical-marijuana-epilepsy/

 

[doingdishes]

I refused this one because my information says that he did not stop using weed. Why would he if he knew he would die as a result. I would argue anybody in that position would continue to use weed if it was that vital and risk going to prison...because they dont put terminally ill people in prison. Period.

So either he stopped using because he didnt need it and was going to die anyway or he kept using weed till the end? Which is it?

And if this death by weed denial is such a widespread problem then why is it you can only come up with one name??

As much as you need Shea to be a martyr for this cause he is simply not. Sorry...

HE DIED!! he got cut off....what is so hard to grasp here? you just plain are refusing to accept the fact.
and who are you that we have to prove this? you don't know his story so don't lecture me on your lack of knowledge!
just so i am clear about your thought-you're on a medical marijuana patient forum touting that no one has died from not getting MMJ so we should all relax? don't worry about it. it'll happen when it happens? not cool!

 

[mojoganjaman]

I kinda understand the point you are trying to make....but in the face of adversity you resort to labeling an entire forum crack-pots and addicts...Hippy....get that fuckin' goat!!!!!!



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mojo

 

[Doobius1]

And still...not one person can give me a name of a single person who has died from being denied weed. Not one...

People die from their illnesses...not weed denial.

And because nobody can give me that one name you need to attack, with supposition no less...even though i am a supporter of the cause not only with very significant amounts of money but with my personal time and political/legal resources as well...

The cause does not need pity whores and crack pots... which seems to be all there is here...

Not a single name...how about 7 numbnuts
http://www.southerncannabis.org/medical-marijuana/these-7-children-have-died-waiting-for-access-to-medical-marijuana/

 

[Gquebed]

HE DIED!! he got cut off....what is so hard to grasp here? you just plain are refusing to accept the fact.
and who are you that we have to prove this? you don't know his story so don't lecture me on your lack of knowledge!
just so i am clear about your thought-you're on a medical marijuana patient forum touting that no one has died from not getting MMJ so we should all relax? don't worry about it. it'll happen when it happens? not cool!

He got cut off? From his mj? By who? He couldnt get his own? A friend couldnt get it for him? Its life or death and friends wouldnt help? You can get the shit delivered direct to your house from kijiji for fuck sakes.

Man the pumps ...your bullshit is getting too thin to shovel.

Sorry your friend died. But it wasnt from lack of access to weed. If any 12 year old can get it then....

Youre fullnof shit.

 

[Gquebed]

Not a single name...how about 7 numbnuts
http://www.southerncannabis.org/medical-marijuana/these-7-children-have-died-waiting-for-access-to-medical-marijuana/

And still more bullshit. These children died from their illnesses. The article even states quite clearly that mmj "MAY HAVE" PROLONGED their lives (meaning death in those cases was inevitable).

I wont bother with the cedibility of the website...

 

[Gquebed]

I kinda understand the point you are trying to make....but in the face of adversity you resort to labeling an entire forum crack-pots and addicts...Hippy....get that fuckin' goat!!!!!!



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mojo

Ya.... a long long time after the same was tossed at me....

 

[gb123]

Facts?? That is MY point. There are no facts to support what you are saying or you would be pointing to them right now instead of saying things like anecdotal evidence and such. Clinical trials...evidence? Israelis have been studying this stuff for decades and they cant makes connections of the kind youre stating as fact.

You have none.

And as for those who are dying because they are taking more toxic meds instead...well... they are dying from stupidity really. Why take those more toxic meds if they are killing you? Pure stupidity.

And the classic go fuck yourself to end the argument? Because you have nothing better...

simply put...and just for you. lol

You my friend, are a complete utter moron

Hope that wasn't to tough for you to comprehend.

cheers big hears