the murder of sandra bland

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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londonfog said:
this one is having me speechless. Something is just not right
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i've been following the story for a while now and the details just do not add up in any way.

they tried to say she committed suicide after "smoking or ingesting large quantities of marijuana" in prison?

that makes no fucking sense. the woman was not suicidal.

80 years later and they are still trying to use being black and marijuana as self-explanatory reasons as to why somoene whould kill themselves.

run these fuckers up on murder.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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londonfog said:
this one is having me speechless. Something is just not right
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Part of it might be how desirable she was. Nobody deserves that, but still, it seems like even more of an injustice to an imperfect person who also considers it a damn shame such a fine woman is gone. She was only mildly attractive physically, but so feisty.
 
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ChesusRice

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The Cop did that arrested her did every thing legal.

AND that is a problem. This guy shouldn't be a cop. And we need a way to be legally protected from cops like this.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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No, I didn't see it that way. While she was very irate and confrontational, she wasn't the one escalating. She didn't have to put out her cig or get out of the car under the circumstances in which he gave those orders. Neither was a lawful order, nor was it lawful to order her to put the phone down. It was a false arrest.
 
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ChesusRice

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abandonconflict said:
No, I didn't see it that way. While she was very irate and confrontational, she wasn't the one escalating. She didn't have to put out her cig or get out of the car under the circumstances in which he gave those orders. Neither was a lawful order, nor was it lawful to order her to put the phone down. It was a false arrest.
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asking her to put out her cigarette was not a lawful order. Getting out of her car was.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ChesusRice said:
asking her to put out her cigarette was not a lawful order. Getting out of her car was.
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He only demanded that because she refused to put out her cig though. He escalated it to that point. In order to give her the lawful order to exit the vehicle, he either has to have probable cause to search or place her under arrest. Both are easy to substantiate but it can be argued easily by the dashcam video that he didn't.

I think that by arguing with him, she was teasing a pit bull. That's why pit bulls should not be cops.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ChesusRice said:
asking her to put out her cigarette was not a lawful order. Getting out of her car was.
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no, it was not. you do not need to get out of your car at any point during any traffic stop.

if they ask you too, say "no thanks". if they insist again, say "no thanks. i'm not under arrest".

there are only two outcomes possible: you drive away, or you're under arrest.

know your rights and exercise them.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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UncleBuck said:
no, it was not. you do not need to get out of your car at any point during any traffic stop.

if they ask you too, say "no thanks". if they insist again, say "no thanks. i'm not under arrest".

there are only two outcomes possible: you drive away, or you're under arrest.

know your rights and exercise them.
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http://www.columbuscriminaldefenseattorney.com/2012/03/16/must-you-get-out-of-your-car-during-a-traffic-stop-police-interaction-part-ix/
This attorney disagrees with you. not really looking for an argument I personally thought you were required to exit the vehicle if you are stopped by the cops.
Why was it a big deal that he asked her to put her cigarette out? Kinda seems like a common courtesy, but I wouldnt know since I do not smoke cigs. He only told her to get out of the car because she got snippy about the cig. Long story short the cop is a dick for his attitude through the whole thing but ultimately her actions lead to her incarceration and untimely death.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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natro.hydro said:
http://www.columbuscriminaldefenseattorney.com/2012/03/16/must-you-get-out-of-your-car-during-a-traffic-stop-police-interaction-part-ix/
This attorney disagrees with you. not really looking for an argument I personally thought you were required to exit the vehicle if you are stopped by the cops.
Why was it a big deal that he asked her to put her cigarette out? Kinda seems like a common courtesy, but I wouldnt know since I do not smoke cigs. He only told her to get out of the car because she got snippy about the cig. Long story short the cop is a dick for his attitude through the whole thing but ultimately her actions lead to her incarceration and untimely death.
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I wasn't aware it carried a death sentence to have a snippy attitude.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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abandonconflict said:
I wasn't aware it carried a death sentence to have a snippy attitude.
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Wasnt aware she was murdered....

you guys dont seriously think some jail gaurds killed a woman to cover what amounts to a minor scuffle and maybe some suspension without pay on the cops part do you? Because it is ridiculous to assume they would just kill someone because a cop needs a favor.... maybe say it ou loud and you will realize how much you are reaching for this to be another cause.
 
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ChesusRice

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UncleBuck said:
no, it was not. you do not need to get out of your car at any point during any traffic stop.

if they ask you too, say "no thanks". if they insist again, say "no thanks. i'm not under arrest".

there are only two outcomes possible: you drive away, or you're under arrest.

know your rights and exercise them.
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She was under arrest at that point. Doesn't matter whether the cop has a valid reason or not. He doesn't have to announce that either. Asking her out of the car is a legal order
 
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