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Kaosisglobal

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Another good question, what do you think of those floros? Do they have a home in any op? Or does it stop at hobbyist. When I notice the difference between that and my 400 and I know I need a 1000W, I see it doesn't match my needs. Though it may not be what I need, right now it is what I have. :-(

Thanks Al.
 

rbahadosingh

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hey al it'll be three weeks tomorrow in my sog and my plants dont seem to be getting any taller. their buds are just fattening up now. most of them are only a foot and a half tall. should i be worried? and could it just be strain related. im growing purple kush and grandaddy purple.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
If you look at the pic good, the one side of the reflector broke off during my first move and gave me uneven light last run. So first things first if I use it with that reflector is the other side has to come off, so I can cast rectangular?
Light from HPS lamps is emitted mainly perpendicularly to the lamp tube's axis, so we don't care too much about the condition of the end of your reflector. Even in this sad shape, it should cover a 2.5x3.2' area with no trouble.

Of course you recommend seperate ducting, and I would to. But for a step up at a time, Do you think it is ok to duct to the 6in. duct there now and leave the other end open to intake grow smell n heat?
No. I've said several times that cooltubes should have their own closed air path and own blower- and why... but I'll repeat myself one more time.

If you use the cooltube's blower as the exhaust fan, you can not use a thermostat on it. It has to run all the time the lights are on regardless of the air temp in the room. You will have poor temp stability with a single blower.
 
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Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Another good question, what do you think of those floros? Do they have a home in any op?
Fluoros are the ideal light for clones and seedlings. In a pinch, they can be used to raise mums to supply cuttings to a rather small op.

I use a 400HPS over my mums because I need them to regrow enough material to supply 30 good, thick-stemmed cuts every 2 weeks.

hey al it'll be three weeks tomorrow in my sog and my plants dont seem to be getting any taller. their buds are just fattening up now. most of them are only a foot and a half tall. should i be worried? and could it just be strain related. im growing purple kush and grandaddy purple.
I occasionally have a batch come up shorter than usual. I have yet to pin down exactly why this happens, but I can be confident that it's not strain related. It's more likely to be caused by some variation in the room air temps, condition of clones when they went in to flower (most likely) or perhaps some variation in nute pH. This is one problem that is really annoying me in my own op. I have got temps pinned to 25C +/- 1C now with the cooltubes and always give the same 1400ppm @ 5.8 nutes, so I'm a little puzzled. Other batches jump right up to about 600mm tall by wk3-4 with no appreciable changes in room conds. It's inconsistent and I'm knocking my head against the wall trying to isolate the cause. It may be related to tank pH. I may have shot the pH adjustment too low with the stunted batches. Don't know yet.

I'm trying some mitigations like allowing the nutes to do all the pH correction (Canna nutes have pH buffers which will set my pH 7.1-8.0 tapwater to 5.8-5.9) instead of adding pHDown as well as adding some veg nutes to the watering solution I give to clones once they have got a good set of roots on them and which are next in line to go into the flowering area. That's an experiment in progress, I'll let you know what I know when I know it.

When plants come up short like that, yes, yield suffers. They will deliver some hard nugs but not as much as when the plants grow a bit more vigorously early on. When things are going well, it's very obvious that the plants have truly caught on and they'll double in height by the end of wk 2 over the height at introduction to the flowering area.

In any op, the plants shift their growth habit from veg to flower over the first 4 wks of flowering. The veg growth characters normally take 4 wks to totally taper off. The plants should keep gaining vert height until wk4, when they stop at about 1m tall and also stop trying to send out long branches. During the first 4 wks under 12/12, the plant starts building buds, really getting down to the task post wk4.
 

jivalst

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Hello Al,

As it is right now I have a 12x12 room with a center ilse and on each side have tables that I have built 2' off the floor. Each table is 4x12. I only have 1 4x6 tray as of now but after looking into your threads think i'm going with SoG. Over my tray is 1000w HPS in SunSystem covered reflector.

1. Would 1000hps lights work over 4x6 trays instead of 4x4?
2. Will I need more than 6-8 mothers to facilitate this expansion?
3. Would the mothers produce enough to clone off of under 160w's of T-12 Fluros?
4. I have purchased 4 strains(white widow max, G13 Haze, NL and Big Bud). Would I do best to stick with one?
5. If I did rotate strains how many mothers would I need to make that work.
Check out my Grow journal if like. Some of the pics might help

Thanks for all your help...
 

jivalst

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Oh shit that sux! What a moron...the post doesn't have the edit button. Is there an administrator I can talk to about it? I'll check it out...sorry guys
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
1. Would 1000hps lights work over 4x6 trays instead of 4x4?
My trays are not quite the 4'x'4' I thought they were when writing the first post of Get A Harvest Every 2 Weeks. I haven't had to use imperial measures in many years. I guessed on the tray dimensions- and guessed wrong. My trays are 900mm x 900mm or about 2.7' square. While we're on it, I guessed wrong on the pots too; they're not 8" dia, rather they are 175mm (6.9") dia and 130mm dia on their bottoms.

4'x'6' is just a bit too large for a single 1000. I would put 2x 600 or 1000 HPS in cooltubes over your 4'x'6' tray.

2. Will I need more than 6-8 mothers to facilitate this expansion?
No, 6-8 mums should do fine for a 4'x6' op.

3. Would the mothers produce enough to clone off of under 160w's of T-12 Fluros?
Not if you need cuttings every 2 weeks. Fluoros just don't veg mums fast enough. I use a 400 HPS on my mums.

4. I have purchased 4 strains(white widow max, G13 Haze, NL and Big Bud). Would I do best to stick with one?
Height differences between most strains in this method are not usually too terribly large but you'll probably end up grouping plants from like strains to be able to keep the light equally close to as large a number of them as possible. You'll eventually decide that one of them works the best and find yourself growing mainly that strain. BB is a mainly indica hybrid that does very well in SoG ops.

5. If I did rotate strains how many mothers would I need to make that work.
I'd keep no fewer than 2 copies of all strains. Replace one with a clone from that strain every 8 weeks or so to make usre you always have one healthy copy going at all times.

Check out my Grow journal if like. Some of the pics might help
Some pics will help, some won't. You know the ones I mean. Make them go away.
 

hydrogrower420

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yo al b. i was wondering if i could set up a sog in my closet.can i section of my closet so 1 section for clones and mothers under a 400watt mh and 1 section for my sets of plants to get a harvest every two weeks.
i was really high in my room and i think it woulndt be that hard to section off my closet.have you or anybody done this?
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
While I touched on it a few times in Get a harvest every 2 weeks, I haven't talked much about security in this thread- until now.

You might be anonymous on this board but that doesn't mean you can't make bad information security moves.

NEVER post pics of how your beans were sent to you. Any stealth that your sender managed is totally defeated. You can bet LEO reads RIU, too.

NEVER order beans to be posted to the address where you intend to grow them. If the beans were detected in shipping, LEO now knows you have beans at that address and may check in a few weeks down the track to see how they are growing for you. Use a once-off maildrop location where beans will never be grown, preferably not even a smoker at that addy.

Everything you post on RIU gives away a certain amount of information. Once a post goes up, the genie is very nearly impossible to put back in the bottle. Be very careful about specifics you let slip.

The ideal grow situation is when you live alone in a place you own instead of rent (think periodic property inspections), but that's a pretty rare arrangement. No-one but you should know about your op, but it's likely that you live with other people, who should be fully aware of what you're doing- and should be on board.

It says in my sig, "don't even THINK about asking me how to hide your grow from your MOM." The reason for this is that if your grow gets busted, everyone in the place is likely to be charged. The house may be seized, or if a rental, you will be evicted. All residents should have the ability to choose whether they want to take the risk. At the same time, you should take total responsibility for your grow and your housemate/s should have plausible deniability; they should be able to reasonably say they didn't know what you were doing in your closet. If the other person/s must commonly have access to the grow space as a function of living in that dwelling, plausible deniability is lost.

Grow partners are a bad thing in 99.99999999% of cases. Too many cooks really do spoil the broth. If you're going to run a grow, run it by yourself. Grow no more than you can manage and harvest by yourself. Make all decisions of how the op will be run, with ONLY you as President & Dictator for Life in your op. Have no one who can make any claim to any portion of your harvest- this is the point where LEO rubs his hands together gleefully because he knows that when grow partners squabble, he will be soon be getting another tipoff- and YOU become another drug war statistic.

NEVER steal electricity. Bypassing a power meter is one of the very quickest ways to go to jail. If the pwr co's billing dept notices your meter isn't reading, they send out a techo to replace it. When the techo notices the new meter isn't spinning but he still measures a current in the line, he knows exactly what's going on. He'll be back later with a supervisor and probably a detective, too.

Your rubbish bin is not private. Don't put anything in it that can get a warrant issued for your house. Old media can go out in common rubbish, bagged up to look like the rest of your general rubbish, but make sure it's got no leaf or stem material in it. Deface or remove labels from nutrient jugs. Waste leaf material is best composted or buried in a garden patch. Great fertiliser for the veg patch. Composting totally destroys the evidence but may not be good for growers in freezing climes in winter. Snowbunnies need to find other disposal methods.

Your neighbours DO watch you and your house. No 5-minute visitors, especially not late at night. You're best not having ppl visit you- visit them instead. If you're earning a living off your op and don't leave everyday to go to a job, have a cover story; you are a computer geek and work from home, you're disabled and can't work, whatever.

Don't drive a flashy car. Drive something nerdy, ordinary and old but keep it in immaculate mechanical condition. No lights out, no dodgy tyre treads, no busted muffler, NEVER a boomping stereo, no reasons for a cop to pull you over. Don't have anything distinctive on your car, no stickers, fancy wheels, nothing that makes your car stand out.

If you're a big shoot-em-up party dawg, don't run a grow op. Loud parties are excuse #1 for a cop to visit. If s/he suspects anyone's in danger (i.e. alcohol poisoning etc) in the house, he can enter without a warrant.

Keep your buds far away from drunks. Drunks get busted at the next roadside breath test with a bag of YOUR buds in pocket and YOUR number programmed in their phone under 'pot dealer.' Alcohol causes a certain kind of stooopid. Alcohol added to other drugs like valium/xanax or oxycontin causes an infinitely worse kind of stoopid that makes people want to open airplane doors at 30,000 feet... and never remember a bit of it. You don't need much stooopid in your life.

If you're smart and grow small, you will be swimming in buds for the rest of your days with never a legal scrape. Once you're a client of the legal system, they will keep you as one. With a record, you're fair game as a suspect in future drug activity and you will see cops regularly for the rest of your life. Don't get busted the first time.

I won't say it's impossible for me to get busted, but I manage my risks very carefully and have contingencies in place if the worst happens. I've been at it more than 20 years and have never even come close to any sort of drug related arrest, for growing or possession. It's not because I'm well-connected, lucky or even all that smart- I just plan ahead, enjoy my quiet life and fly low & slow, under the radar.
 

hydrogrower420

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While I touched on it a few times in Get a harvest every 2 weeks, I haven't talked much about security in this thread- until now.

You might be anonymous on this board but that doesn't mean you can't make bad information security moves.

NEVER post pics of how your beans were sent to you. Any stealth that your sender managed is totally defeated. You can bet LEO reads RIU, too.

NEVER order beans to be posted to the address where you intend to grow them. If the beans were detected in shipping, LEO now knows you have beans at that address and may check in a few weeks down the track to see how they are growing for you. Use a once-off maildrop location where beans will never be grown, preferably not even a smoker at that addy.

Everything you post on RIU gives away a certain amount of information. Once a post goes up, the genie is very nearly impossible to put back in the bottle. Be very careful about specifics you let slip.

The ideal grow situation is when you live alone in a place you own instead of rent (think periodic property inspections), but that's a pretty rare arrangement. No-one but you should know about your op, but it's likely that you live with other people, who should be fully aware of what you're doing- and should be on board.

It says in my sig, "don't even THINK about asking me how to hide your grow from your MOM." The reason for this is that if your grow gets busted, everyone in the place is likely to be charged. The house may be seized, or if a rental, you will be evicted. All residents should have the ability to choose whether they want to take the risk. At the same time, you should take total responsibility for your grow and your housemate/s should have plausible deniability; they should be able to reasonably say they didn't know what you were doing in your closet. If the other person/s must commonly have access to the grow space as a function of living in that dwelling, plausible deniability is lost.

Grow partners are a bad thing in 99.99999999% of cases. Too many cooks really do spoil the broth. If you're going to run a grow, run it by yourself. Grow no more than you can manage and harvest by yourself. Make all decisions of how the op will be run, with ONLY you as President & Dictator for Life in your op. Have no one who can make any claim to any portion of your harvest- this is the point where LEO rubs his hands together gleefully because he knows that when grow partners squabble, he will be soon be getting another tipoff- and YOU become another drug war statistic.

NEVER steal electricity. Bypassing a power meter is one of the very quickest ways to go to jail. If the pwr co's billing dept notices your meter isn't reading, they send out a techo to replace it. When the techo notices the new meter isn't spinning but he still measures a current in the line, he knows exactly what's going on. He'll be back later with a supervisor and probably a detective, too.

Your rubbish bin is not private. Don't put anything in it that can get a warrant issued for your house. Old media can go out in common rubbish, bagged up to look like the rest of your general rubbish, but make sure it's got no leaf or stem material in it. Deface or remove labels from nutrient jugs. Waste leaf material is best composted or buried in a garden patch. Great fertiliser for the veg patch. Composting totally destroys the evidence but may not be good for growers in freezing climes in winter. Snowbunnies need to find other disposal methods.

Your neighbours DO watch you and your house. No 5-minute visitors, especially not late at night. You're best not having ppl visit you- visit them instead. If you're earning a living off your op and don't leave everyday to go to a job, have a cover story; you are a computer geek and work from home, you're disabled and can't work, whatever.

Don't drive a flashy car. Drive something nerdy, ordinary and old but keep it in immaculate mechanical condition. No lights out, no dodgy tyre treads, no busted muffler, NEVER a boomping stereo, no reasons for a cop to pull you over. Don't have anything distinctive on your car, no stickers, fancy wheels, nothing that makes your car stand out.

If you're a big shoot-em-up party dawg, don't run a grow op. Loud parties are excuse #1 for a cop to visit. If s/he suspects anyone's in danger (i.e. alcohol poisoning etc) in the house, he can enter without a warrant.

Keep your buds far away from drunks. Drunks get busted at the next roadside breath test with a bag of YOUR buds in pocket and YOUR number programmed in their phone under 'pot dealer.' Alcohol causes a certain kind of stooopid. Alcohol added to other drugs like valium/xanax or oxycontin causes an infinitely worse kind of stoopid that makes people want to open airplane doors at 30,000 feet... and never remember a bit of it. You don't need much stooopid in your life.

If you're smart and grow small, you will be swimming in buds for the rest of your days with never a legal scrape. Once you're a client of the legal system, they will keep you as one. With a record, you're fair game as a suspect in future drug activity and you will see cops regularly for the rest of your life. Don't get busted the first time.

I won't say it's impossible for me to get busted, but I manage my risks very carefully and have contingencies in place if the worst happens. I've been at it more than 20 years and have never even come close to any sort of drug related arrest, for growing or possession. It's not because I'm well-connected, lucky or even all that smart- I just plan ahead, enjoy my quiet life and fly low & slow, under the radar.
this is a good post 100% agree with you.luckly i dont fall into any catagory on that list of not things to do except for having a pic of some seeds and a wallet on this thread... and having to hide my grow room from my mommy,nah just kidding hahahaha.
i own my own house and im fully aware of how not to be a fucken retard with no streetsmarts..ive been around the block as they say.but i hope that wasnt a reply to my post.if it wasnt can someone help me out i need some pumps for my setup and i also need some parts for my cloning system anybody know a good website?
 

pppfemguy

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how goes it AL?? hope ur feelin better ne who i just have one simple question...how much in total would one of these 'get a harvest every 2 weeks' ops cost to set up??? very curious cuz every 2 weeks sounds a hell of alot better then every 2 months
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
yo al b. i was wondering if i could set up a sog in my closet.can i section of my closet so 1 section for clones and mothers under a 400watt mh and 1 section for my sets of plants to get a harvest every two weeks.
i was really high in my room and i think it woulndt be that hard to section off my closet.have you or anybody done this?
Ventilation is consideration #1 when planning a grow op. Closets are hard to work with because they're hard to ventilate. Leaving the door open a crack isn't effective ventilation. Unless you can poke a hole in a ceiling and vent the waste grow air into it, closet grow air temps will be hard to control. A 400 watt HID can make enough heat to turn your walk-in into a sauna in minutes without effective ventilation.

Without the ability to hold a grow to 25C, you're GOING to have heat related problems down the track. Freestanding wardrobes or grow tents located within a room are a lot easier to work with in terms of ventilation. Cooltubes are a major help but they still need to source and dump their air somewhere where that air can't be drawn right back into the grow.

Once you sort out the ventilation issue, yes, it's a pretty simple matter to set up a clonebox with some fluoros and a heat mat, cordon off a small veg area in your space, can be just enough for 2 mother plants, and reserve the remainder of the area for flowering. If you don't need a lot of cuttings nor very often, you can veg mums with fluoros/CFLs, but small HPS (60, 100, 150, 250W) lights are now commonly available as accent or security lighting from many large hdwe & lighting supply houses. They'd be a better solution for a small op and will produce thicker stemmed mother plants for cuttings than will fluoros.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
hydrogrower420 said:
but i hope that wasnt a reply to my post.
Didn't have anything to do with you. I was responding to another post on the preceding page. You just got (un)lucky & posted while I was composing that long comment. Such is the nature of discussion forums.
 

pppfemguy

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Around $3000-4000 to duplicate my op to the letter with all new gear.
wow........not to bad so far ive spent about 2500 on my op.............are 1000 watters harder to work with for that particular op?? and is it even possible to duplicate ur op?? hahaha
 

honkeytown

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hey Al...quick question for ya...I just set up some bubbleponics for my clones...is it really worthwhile?.....I have just been doin plain water cloning and it seems I cant get a real constant number of days when rooting...will the bubble cloner make a difference and make things a little more consistent? I was gonna make an aero cloner but I was worried about the pump going out at some point and losing my clones...I dunno...any advice? thx in advance:mrgreen:
 

hydrogrower420

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Ventilation is consideration #1 when planning a grow op. Closets are hard to work with because they're hard to ventilate. Leaving the door open a crack isn't effective ventilation. Unless you can poke a hole in a ceiling and vent the waste grow air into it, closet grow air temps will be hard to control. A 400 watt HID can make enough heat to turn your walk-in into a sauna in minutes without effective ventilation.

Without the ability to hold a grow to 25C, you're GOING to have heat related problems down the track. Freestanding wardrobes or grow tents located within a room are a lot easier to work with in terms of ventilation. Cooltubes are a major help but they still need to source and dump their air somewhere where that air can't be drawn right back into the grow.

Once you sort out the ventilation issue, yes, it's a pretty simple matter to set up a clonebox with some fluoros and a heat mat, cordon off a small veg area in your space, can be just enough for 2 mother plants, and reserve the remainder of the area for flowering. If you don't need a lot of cuttings nor very often, you can veg mums with fluoros/CFLs, but small HPS (60, 100, 150, 250W) lights are now commonly available as accent or security lighting from many large hdwe & lighting supply houses. They'd be a better solution for a small op and will produce thicker stemmed mother plants for cuttings than will fluoros.
well it looks like i have to plan to get some ventalation going on thanks for the advice much apreciated.id rather cut holes in my closet doors then in the ceiling.any online stores or vent. setups that you recomend im trying not to spend too much money.i was planning to make a clone setup like this guys https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/64661-homemade-rubbermaid-ez-cloner-pics.html except a lot smaller.is this a good setup?i have a 250watt hps already i could use that for clones and mothers.i plan to have 4 mothers in 18gal bin dwc.and 4 diffrent dwc bins with the rotating plants.each bin will have 4 plants.i have measurments and pics of my closet of how im gonna section it off if it helps.my cloning setup will hold like 8-10 cuttings.i saw that the other growers grow more clones then they need that way they can pick the best ones.i will only need 4 clones to go into the 0-2 week bin.em i on the right track to setting this up or what let me know.
 
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