Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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VTMi'kmaq
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I'd be willing to bet whatevers in doc's KIT has already been dicussed and rec in one form or another in this thread lol, i went today and read all 500 damn pages of that 420 thread......dudes selling his kit, growing great gardens, but selling akit was my impression too.
Super nice plants in vapors yard good on ya dude!
Midwest Weedist
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That's about what my understanding of it was, which is why I build my soil / garden like I do. I'm not completely ignorant of brix levels in soil / plants, it's just not something I've obsessively read up on out of curiosity, like with most of my gardening knowledge.
If my understanding of it all is as sound as I think it is, then I've pretty much nailed this give or take a few things. I'd almost guarantee my soils npk values are way lower than what most people would suggest as I don't amend it as heavily as commonly suggested. I've always taken the concept of "less is more" and that diversity is a catalyst to success, to heart. I'm sure most would probably think my methods are beyond picky because there are no corners I cut, I won't even use ro water anymore. It's either pond water that I've dregged from the bottom (it comes out almost completely opaque because of the organic matter floating around) or spring water with ~1% of Ca. I won't add regular compost anymore, only vermicompost.
I guess my issue with high brick kits or anything that tries to capitalize on a natural process is that I'm, for the most part, already gardening with brix levels / etc in mind. Maybe it's different for me because I grew up in farming communities in the Midwest my entire life, I'm don't know, but most of what I teach my self or am taught about gardening / growing comes naturally and ridiculously easy.
As much as I absolutely hate the (mostly) unintelligent, ignorant, dirty, dumpy farmers I've had to live around; I'm thankful in that it all rubbed off on me. It's in my blood, it's in my community, it's every where I look. Farming/gardening/growing just makes sense to me because it's been my experience my entire life.
This completely backs up my entire concept to gardening, I've never chased quantity over quality. This is something that (Thankfully!!!) my grandparents instilled in me from a young age. So I guess while I'm against the idea of buying a kit to chase brix levels, I'm already in pursuit of it. Though probably not to the highest capacity that I could.
Pattahabi
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Kelp meal
How to use kelp meal
Take 1/4 cup of kelp meal and cover that with about 1/2 cup of water and let it completely re-hydrate. Once that is done then pour off any excess water and use that for a kelp meal tea.
Take the hydrated kelp meal and puree it as much as possible to make a kelp meal paste. You’ll want to do this in small batches and store in the refrigerator in the coldest place which is usually in a corner.
When you need to apply a kelp meal tea than add about 2 tsp. to 1 gallon of water, shake until it’s completely dispersed and this is a safe concentration for spraying the leaves and you would probably want to double that amount to apply to the soil.
That’s it!
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Joedank
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really stow i have no clue weather the high k is from the compost components itself, or the action of beaking it down . i use worm poop alot but i feed my worms my compost! lol .
if you find out how the high k thing in compost works LET ME KNOW please...lol
Pattahabi
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I think you're in the wrong thread. This is the ROLS thread. We don't need anyone's stupid gimmicks. We can grow weed with crap in our backyard.
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greasemonkeymann
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that's how I fucked up a grow of mine, yrs ago, you guys may read me warning others NOT to use BSM as a nutrient..
for this reason.
greasemonkeymann
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anyone that EVER advocates NOT using compost is straight up insane, or an idiot.
And you guys know me, I don't talk a lot of shit.
but compost may very well be the MOST important part of my soil.
But like we've seen, you can grow cannabis CONTRARY to many growing techniques..
I mean when you think of people growing in like clay pellets and chemicals...
it can be done... but organically?
a compost is ESSENTIAL.
In my not-so-humble opinion.
greasemonkeymann
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important to mention that.I would at least keep the soil bed whole so you don't have to worry about the soil web, water, and nutrients falling short. You can also plant cover crops to increase production, I love yarrow and chamomile(clover attracts mites!). I've experienced with sog that reaching around the back to deal with plants will become a big pain, but I hate hard work lol. It will become a high humidity microclimate after the plants fill in and any changes or moving from there is hell. I'm not sure if you decided on spacing but 7 inch spacing with a foot of pot height would make them happy as all get out. And a foot and a half height would be gardening without effort
I got a girl scout cookie from a friend and it had mites, so I got mites again. anyways the legumes were TOAST... compared to the cannabis.
Like webbed vs barely speckled.
Important to note I think.
I've seen this only once, but it was visually more fucked than the cannabis plants I had, and the legumes were in the same container.
Granted I introduced the mites via the GSC, but still the mites liked the legumes more than the cannabis
Hey hey hey I did my research before I decided not to switch. And holy crap man you are seriously butt hurt they figured out high brix without doc. I know that you guys love mychorhizae, I know you spray your leaves all the time to gives those plants every little mineral. I know you rely on rock phosphate, potassium, and calcium in those foliar sprays. You make up silly names for your nutrients, why I didn't buy, hate the hydronaming, just tell me whats in it. But really all it is, is the same stuff we use. oh and You add a little sugar to give the plant and whatever is on the leaf a kick. But remember to foliar spray! It really isn't that hard to understand.
Joedank
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mixing up some neem / ksil/ eggshell vinigar/ h2o2 tonight for the outdoor girls
love to foliar . i say compost is king for my veggies but i add ALOT of oyster shells so i hope that helps .... never seems like compost hurts... these plant must have WAY too much "K"
Ive never done the eggshell vinegar because it terrifies me to spray acetic acid on plants. Seriously, no bad effects from that? I use gypsum, calcium and sulfur and readily dissolves. But I do throw hard boiled egg shells all over the soil.mixing up some neem / ksil/ eggshell vinigar/ h2o2 tonight for the outdoor girls
Joedank
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at a tbls per gallon its not alot of acetic . with ksil at 1ml per gallon it passes jar tests...
http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/calphos/
CalPhos
This is an awesome product you can make from ingredients found in your kitchen. It is a nutrient solution for plants just entering the flowering cycle. There is an overlapping activity of Phosporous and Potassium during flowering. In natural farming, we apply calphos before the flower initiation to support the eventual fruit. In simplistic terms, we use Phosphorous to address the root system, which will enable the plant to access better water and nutrients from the soil to support the critical changeover as manifested by flower initiation. We use Calcium to strengthen the plant in preparation for heavy flowers/fruits. Thus, natural farming emphasizes Phosphorus and Calcium during the changeover period from growing to flowering/fruiting, and this provides for that need.
***For an illustrated example of this recipe, check out the farm log here. The flog has all kinds of good stuff, sign up to get the updates via email!***
How to Make
How to Use
Mix 1tbsp per gallon
Plants
http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/calphos/
CalPhos
This is an awesome product you can make from ingredients found in your kitchen. It is a nutrient solution for plants just entering the flowering cycle. There is an overlapping activity of Phosporous and Potassium during flowering. In natural farming, we apply calphos before the flower initiation to support the eventual fruit. In simplistic terms, we use Phosphorous to address the root system, which will enable the plant to access better water and nutrients from the soil to support the critical changeover as manifested by flower initiation. We use Calcium to strengthen the plant in preparation for heavy flowers/fruits. Thus, natural farming emphasizes Phosphorus and Calcium during the changeover period from growing to flowering/fruiting, and this provides for that need.
***For an illustrated example of this recipe, check out the farm log here. The flog has all kinds of good stuff, sign up to get the updates via email!***
How to Make
- Collect a bunch of eggshells and wash to remove inside filaments. Remember, you can also use bones and other good sources of calcium like seashells, clams and oysters, etc. Likewise, if you only want calcium, even limestone can be used, or simple lime.
- Pan fry the eggshells. Fry until some are brown/black, some white. The burnt shells are your Calcium source while the white are the Phosphorus source.
- After roasting the eggshells, grind them up. You can do it manually, with a mortar and pestle, throw them in a blender or electric coffee grinder, etc.
- Add them to a jar and add 5 parts vinegar by volume. For example, if you have 1 cup ground shells, add 5 cups vinegar.
- The acid in the vinegar helps digest them. You will notice bubbling as this process converts the ingredients to liquid calcium phosphate.
- Wait until tiny bubbles disappear
- Seal the jar and ferment for 20 days.
- Filter into another jar
- Now you’ve made your own Calcium Phosphate
How to Use
Mix 1tbsp per gallon
Plants
- spray on leaves during transition phase to flower, and when fruits are large and mature
- Transition Phase: Induces flowering, eases nutrient demands of transition phase, strengthens flowers
- Mature Fruit: Strengthens plant stems, leaves, fruits, helps fruit mature properly for optimum sweet flavor!
- Feed to animals during breeding time and during pregnancy. Helps breeding efficacy and litter success rates. Woohoo!
testiclees
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bro its clear im not in the wrong thread.there is info sharing going on here. you want to shut it down with an asinine pronouncement. no
you get all of coots amendments in your back yard? No you dont. youre a hypocrite.
look up the meaning of gimmick before using it ignorantly. if you grasped whats been addressed here you would be aware that the efficacy of the product is not in question. Hence it isnt a gimmick.
testiclees
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Can I ask why the burnt shells are calcium and the unburnt are phosphorus? Doesn't really make sense. I'll give it a shot. The acetic acid protonates the carbonate releasing the calcium and producing carbon dioxide if anyone wondered why it bubbles and all that.
However the fermentation is brilliant! Apperently acetate(acetic acid without the proton(hydrogen)) can decompose to methane and carbon dioxide gas. Have you ever had a jar explode from pressure?
Joedank
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pure water 0ppm and 7 ph with 148 grams of agsil 16 to 1 liter water and a perfectly clean jar .
ksil must be added last to any concotion and tested in a jar to be sure precipitate does not occure . boron and calcium must NEVER be mixed as the precpitatae can hurt tissue..
Pattahabi
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GIMMICK: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature.
Yup, that's exactly what I thought it meant.
And I'm not your Bro kid. If I have to grow plants with what is in the backyard I can do it. I'm just getting ready to mix up some soil with old horse manure that had wigglers in it for my compost portion - right out of my friends back yard. The ROLS threads have been long known for not needing overpriced and over complicated crap in the name of growing good cannabis. You're about the ten millionth person that has tried to over complicate a simple procress.
Let's see some of these earth shattering amazing high brix plants! If you don't use a refractometer you're not one of the cool kids!
What was the CEC of the medium Albrect was using?
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