Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Pattahabi said:
GIMMICK: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature.

Yup, that's exactly what I thought it meant.

And I'm not your Bro kid. If I have to grow plants with what is in the backyard I can do it. I'm just getting ready to mix up some soil with old horse manure that had wigglers in it for my compost portion - right out of my friends back yard. The ROLS threads have been long known for not needing overpriced and over complicated crap in the name of growing good cannabis. You're about the ten millionth person that has tried to over complicate a simple procress.

Let's see some of these earth shattering amazing high brix plants! If you don't use a refractometer you're not one of the cool kids!

What was the CEC of the medium Albrect was using?

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right when i saw that i "need" promix for high brix in some systems i was like uh oh .... i see this heading to plastic bottles and tiny baggies for big$$$$. i prefer to get ammendments i can use in my food to like DE , kelp , nettle , comfrey....
 
Joedank said:
pure water 0ppm and 7 ph with 148 grams of agsil 16 to 1 liter water and a perfectly clean jar .
ksil must be added last to any concotion and tested in a jar to be sure precipitate does not occure . boron and calcium must NEVER be mixed as the precpitatae can hurt tissue..
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thanks man. that's used as a base solution ? then how do you dilute for application.

Ive done the math on agsil 16h in the past. I think it comes out to 100ppm as the recommended direct aplication to soil dilution while 1000ppm is the dosage for foliar/pest application.

I. the direct to soil exame it comes out to .06 gm per gal.

This is from a scientist at PQ where agsil is manufactured:

Potassium silicate has been tested at much higher application rates than what was recommended here and has been found to be safe to plants. However, it should not be applied to open blooms of some ornamental plants. (Geranium, Marigold, Pansy, and Petunia) We have a potassium silicate product that is an EPA approved biopesticide where the higher application rates are utilized for disease control. The AgSilliterature was developed about 8 years ago. PQ's focus at that time was testing the efficacy of the biopesticide via foliar application. It is my guess that the 1000 ppm SiO2 foliar application for AgSil was derived from that efficacy data. Recent academic research is more in line with 100 ppm and is focused on plant benefits other than disease control. I believe there is room to fine tune the usage rates.
Stephanie Rose
PQ Corporation
 
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Joedank said:
right when i saw that i "need" promix for high brix in some systems i was like uh oh .... i see this heading to plastic bottles and tiny baggies for big$$$$. i prefer to get ammendments i can use in my food to like DE , kelp , nettle , comfrey....
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You dont need promix. Farmers obviously use field soil.You prefer "amendments you use in your food" lol like agsil? Look i appreciate the focus on local amendments and microbiology but the sanctimonious tone in some of the posts betrays naivete and lack of basic gardening knowledge.

Im not trying to evangelize over here im simply pointing out that IAG. Adavanced eco ag and others have a sound program that grows high quality produce.Its not a question or debateable it is established. It is well established with cannabis as well.
 
Question: what do you do when people constantly discourage the growing of herb in soil (mainly because of their poor skills in doing so i presume...). I'm trying to figure out still how to just laugh at them and walk away.
 
Midwest Weedist said:
View attachment 3470434 One of my bell peppers that I started inside around March, freaking massive..
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Some peppers, cheyenne I believe.
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My cover crops are blooming! My comfrey finally took off as well.

All kelp, compost, and pond water grown!
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dude your garden is beautiful! Nice work. didnt even know that pepper was a pepper till i read the caption
 
i prefer a point by point argument to lay plain the facts .
ShLUbY said:
Question: what do you do when people constantly discourage the growing of herb in soil (mainly because of their poor skills in doing so i presume...). I'm trying to figure out still how to just laugh at them and walk away.
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most folks think herb in soil is silly cuz they only know bottles for cannabis . they figure why try soil if you use bottles anyway . is'nt inert media the same if the bottles are the same?
i like when folks start to open their eyes to microbes and fungi helping the roots access minerals thus providing more complex aromas and oils .... its all about TASTE for me if hydro weed tasted better i would grow it that way (and have)
 
testiclees said:
You dont need promix. Farmers obviously use field soil.You prefer "amendments you use in your food" lol like agsil? Look i appreciate the focus on local amendments and microbiology but the sanctimonious tone in some of the posts betrays naivete and lack of basic gardening knowledge.

Im not trying to evangelize over here im simply pointing out that IAG. Adavanced eco ag and others have a sound program that grows high quality produce.Its not a question or debateable it is established. It is well established with cannabis as well.
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i disagree that high brix is proven and ment for gardening smokeable products . too many complex minerals in my smoke is not for me (trillium , colbalt , nickle, ect ) so using to many of those microbes for mineral cycleing is not for my herbs thank you . there are many ways to skin a cat. or have healthy tissue in native soil ...
we dont "eat" the cannabis fruit per say so brix was left in the dust for me . sap is better full tissue analyisis best.
massageing the "krebs cycle" for volitile oils on the par of growing a plant for resins and oils is what i follow (tom hills grow big plants outdoor thread has lots of good info on this . krebs needs citric acid and a carbon molecule (i use oat flour )....
 
You know with everyone mentioning adding this or that into there soil telling you guys simplest soil i figured i try this year is what we normally do in our garden is only exception is i went 40 percent new screened top soil and 40 percent compost from our compost bin which consists of table veggie scraps coffee grounds , egg shells everthing green onion peels carrots potato peels everything ,, Also i have added used fats ..
Bacon roast etc FATS ..
Now before everyone gets in a up roar, I will be straight up coming from a farming background i will listen to my Father well before some so called soil biologist being he is 86 and has been farming all his life ..
there is no substitute for actual hands on knowledge .. when it comes to living on the land trust me
Fats do decompose all living carbon based things decompose and different speeds.. Fats take about 5 - 8 days to start to decompose and it actually speeds up wants its started .. believe it or not Fats convert to sugars and carbs an proteins amino acids etc so with that said we add some fats into our compost bin around a liter per cubic yard
with that said all we do is in fall we make culverts and place compost ,, let it sit open over winter spring we roll it or mix it in also adding more and in 50 plus years no soil tests have been done and lt me tell you only rain water things grow and grow niice
this is true LOS not by adding beanies teas or any other ingredient

My out door is same soil compost only thing i added was fresh grass clippings and worms and cardboard into soil i am shocked how healthy plants are in flower and its performance for only water feed
 

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Mohican said:
I know a farmer who composted his citrus and it was full of worms. Nature will tell you what it likes and dislikes, and as long as you pay attention you will be a winner in the garden.
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I compost my citrus peels, I eat a shit ton of oranges. I just make sure that they sit in the sun for a few days after I tear them up, worms eat them after about two weeks in my experience. Only organic stuff though.

ShLUbY said:
dude your garden is beautiful! Nice work. didnt even know that pepper was a pepper till i read the caption
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Thank you! Everyone is surprised at how big it is, it's put out pounds of peppers already this year.
 
testiclees said:
thanks man. is that used as a base solution or you use that straight?
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Joedank said:
i disagree that high brix is proven and ment for gardening smokeable products . too many complex minerapplls in my smoke is not for me (trillium , colbalt , nickle, ect ) so using to many of those microbes for mineral cycleing is not for my herbs thank you . there are many ways to skin a cat. or have healthy tissue in native soil ...
we dont "eat" the cannabis fruit per say so brix was left in the dust for me . sap is better full tissue analyisis best.
massageing the "krebs cycle" for volitile oils on the par of growing a plant for resins and oils is what i follow (tom hills grow big plants outdoor thread has lots of good info on this . krebs needs citric acid and a carbon molecule (i use oat flour )....
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Good point on the (high brix) "proven for cannabis". The idea is that the plant is naturally more expressive of its genetics because of the vibrant high brix health.I dont know if thats been demonstrated. I do know that it is demonstrated witb food and with pasture grass and wine grapes. Seems like it would be possible to test out the effects with analytic tools.. Ill.poke around and see if anyone has heard of an assay w high brix flowers.

I agree on the sap or tissue analysis.Those are far more useful then a refractometer reading.

Im not too sure about the mineral action youre describing. The thinking is that the microbes process and metabolize in response to the signals recieved via root exudates. I dont think that makes it more likely that they will process heavy metals or anything toxic. I dont think that makes sense at all. The robust biology matches the robust rhizosphere. If anything it might make available the exact substances that promote the fullest expression of the strains potential. High brix farmers most definitely hold that to be fact.

Many ways to skin a cat indeed!

Ill look at Tom Hills info thanks.
 
look up the relaton between trillum, kale , and lethargy . it lead me down a nutrient uptake rabbit hole that i am still recovering from . and soured me on azomite....lol tom hill is awsome and give a albrecht ratio soil on the first page of his grow big plants outdoors soil and how to reammend it .
testiclees said:
Good point on the (high brix) "proven for cannabis". The idea is that the plant is naturally more expressive of its genetics because of the vibrant high brix health.I dont know if thats been demonstrated. I do know that it is demonstrated witb food and with pasture grass and wine grapes. Seems like it would be possible to test out the effects with analytic tools.. Ill.poke around and see if anyone has heard of an assay w high brix flowers.

I agree on the sap or tissue analysis.Those are far more useful then a refractometer reading.

Im not too sure about the mineral action youre describing. The thinking is that the microbes process and metabolize in response to the signals recieved via root exudates. I dont think that makes it more likely that they will process heavy metals or anything toxic. I dont think that makes sense at all. The robust biology matches the robust rhizosphere. If anything it might make available the exact substances that promote the fullest expression of the strains potential. High brix farmers most definitely hold that to be fact.

Many ways to skin a cat indeed!

Ill look at Tom Hills info thanks.
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Midwest Weedist said:
View attachment 3470434 One of my bell peppers that I started inside around March, freaking massive..
View attachment 3470429 Stevia!

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Some peppers, cheyenne I believe.
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My cover crops are blooming! My comfrey finally took off as well.

All kelp, compost, and pond water grown!
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Man my garden was lookin good but the damn deer came by--the very night I was thinking about staying out there and hunting but didn't--and destroyed Every single thing, 30 pepper plants 30 tomato plants, 12 each of watermelon, pumpkin, squash, muskmelon all heirlooms. All gone in a night pretty much! I need an Electric fence.! I did get some
 
Hey does anyone know if I'd run into any problems using hydroton for part of my aeration? I have an ass-ton of that stuff sitting around from my hydro days.
 
Anyone ever seen or know why a clover would display this? Only thing I can think of is maybe too heavy with the kelp.. There's only a few of them that are doing it in my tomato / tomatillo bed.
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In other news.. this little bastard found his way into my tent, which is on the 3rd floor of my building. Talk about dedicated
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