The growing threat of right wing terrorism

nitro harley

nitro harley

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abandonconflict said:
Because so many fishermen swear up, down and sideways that they have solved by catch problems, and use propaganda and organizations like MSC to convince the public that they are sustainable.
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How many environmental groups are there?


It looks like the Oregon shrimp fishery is not only msc certified it is recommended by another environmental group. . This is from the state of Oregon web site .

"Clean Fishing

Oregon's pink shrimp fishery has recently been recommended by Monterey Bay Aquarium's Seafood Watch program as a "Best Choice" for environmentally concerned seafood consumers. This is primarily a result of the use of BRD's in this fishery to reduce bycatch. The picture to the left shows all catch from a shrimp haul using a 1.25 inch rigid-grate BRD. As you can see, the bycatch (in the two containers to the right) is a small fraction of the shrimp catch (all the other baskets pictured)."




Contacts

Bob Hannah - Marine Resources Program, Newport
Phone: 541) 867-4741
E-mail: [email protected]

Steve Jones - Marine Resources Program, Newport
Phone: (541) 867-4741
E-mail: [email protected]

If you don't believe anybody give one of these guys a call.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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If you believe in the Left or Right "wing" and discuss, support or follow either, you are owned and bow faithfully to someone.....
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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There has to be or it would be an only wing but you and paddy speak Right wing.

Oh nevermind I get it now, Right wing being Correct wing....my bad......
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
Deciphering...

"I can't refute your arguments, so I'll just insult you instead. What do you mean ad hominem?"
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nitro harley said:
If you are talking about the fishing I have done in Oregon like shrimp and crab you would find that both fisheries are MSC certified to be two of the cleanest fisheries known to man in the world. Before you go spouting off about something you don't know like by catch you might want to read what MSC is all about.

https://www.msc.org


This is a video of our fish excluders while we trawl for shrimp and you will see that nearly all fish get excluded out of the net un harmed.


Here is a good link for more info about how we are the best organized and ocean friendly shrimp fishery in the world.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/mrp/Shellfish/commercial/shrimp/index.asp

I realize you don't know what you are talking about and I will give you some slack , but you will learn a great deal of info about what I do on the Ocean that is the worlds cleanest and ocean friendly fisheries known to mankind. The rest of the world is way behind what the Oregon fisherman have done . They are like miracles compared to the rest of the world.
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As much as it galls me to say it, Nitrox is right on this one point. He's fishing in a very well managed and low by catch manner. Oregon crab and shrimp fishing is sustainable and doesn't affect other species in a significant way.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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mathematician1.618 said:
A history professor at USC Columbia who wishes to remain nameless emailed that quote to me. Pretty much proves my entire point. Wala.
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Your quote, wherever it came from is still just another form of mental masturbation. Its not convincing in any way. Social Security is equivalent to Bolshevism and Nazism? Get a grip.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
As much as it galls me to say it, Nitrox is right on this one point. He's fishing in a very well managed and low by catch manner. Oregon crab and shrimp fishing is sustainable and doesn't affect other species in a significant way.
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Because everything bigger than a finger there is exhausted.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
Because everything bigger than a finger there is exhausted.
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I respect you. But. This is not a subject in which you are competent. The salmon are endangered. The rockfish, some species are endangered. We've screwed up the rivers and streams. Oregon has an awful water quality regulation system. A dead zone larger than some states takes place almost yearly along this coast. Yet crab and shrimp are not one of these.

You are a diver. I am too. I've been diving along this coastline for a long time. Probably longer than you have been alive. I've seen the coastline degrade over time. Its true. Its not true that these two fisheries are the same as all others.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
I respect you. But. This is not a subject in which you are competent. The salmon are endangered. The rockfish, some species are endangered. We've screwed up the rivers and streams. Oregon has an awful water quality regulation system. A dead zone larger than some states takes place almost yearly along this coast. Yet crab and shrimp are not one of these.
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I didn't say they were. I said by-catch species are, hence why crab and shrimp fishermen aren't loaded with by-catch like they used to be. Other main fishery species such as yellow tail and skip jack have been exhausted.

As a divemaster and Sea Shepherd member, and son of a 50 year mariner turned conservation activist, I have been well exposed to the subject.

Have you ever submerged to take a look at the ecosystem? Not only did you misunderstand my argument, you likely have far less knowledge of the subject than myself.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
I didn't say they were. I said by-catch species are, hence why crab and shrimp fishermen aren't loaded with by-catch like they used to be.

As a divemaster and Sea Shepherd member, and son of a 50 year mariner, I have been well exposed to the subject.

Have you ever submerged to take a look at the ecosystem?
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The ecosystem? I've always been restricted to what I can see through my mask. Most times, along this coastline, visibility is less than 8 feet. Iv'e been a diver for 45 years most dives between Santa Babara and Puget Sound. The ecosystem is a bit more complex than my field of view. From what I've seen you are a tropical water diver. This ecosystem isn't anything like most places in the US.

Like I said, over time, I've seen less and less life out there although some areas, like the Mendocino and Sonoma coastal regions have actually gotten better. Its my guess that better water quality regulation and logging restrictions are to thank for that. Otherwise, from the Channel Islands, to Carmel to Oregon, which has the worst shore diving anywhere, the trend hasn't been good.

Agreed that bycatch is a dirty word in the industry and a bane to the environment. Its just that this one case is different.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
The ecosystem? I've always been restricted to what I can see through my mask. Most times, along this coastline, visibility is less than 8 feet. Iv'e been a diver for 45 years most dives between Santa Babara and Puget Sound. The ecosystem is a bit more complex than my field of view. From what I've seen you are a tropical water diver. This ecosystem isn't anything like most places in the US.

Like I said, over time, I've seen less and less life out there although some areas, like the Mendocino and Sonoma coastal regions have actually gotten better. Its my guess that better water quality regulation and logging restrictions are to thank for that. Otherwise, from the Channel Islands, to Carmel to Oregon, which has the worst shore diving anywhere, the trend hasn't been good.

Agreed that bycatch is a dirty word in the industry and a bane to the environment. Its just that this one case is different.
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Corroborated my argument perfectly. Instead of misunderstanding eachother, we seem to see eye to eye now.
 
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