brodietheconeking
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No topping no fimming no lst bullshit, just let them go for it
Wat deficiency is this??
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Whoa. Topping is bullshit? Thats a new one. Unless its an auto or your growing outside, why wouldnt you want to top your plants just curious at to why you say that?
brodietheconeking
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Ive topped on and off sort of hit and miss,every time the topped plant has fluffy bud and less yeild, I had 2 barneys criticsl kush cuttings topped plant hit 4oz of fluff,non topped plant hit 7oz of rock hard nugs..
its just my opinion, just doesnt seem to work for me.
Well, idk where to start. Plz dont take this the wrong way but the entire purpose of topping is to increase your yields.
Cannabis grows via process called apical dominance to keep it simple. Which involves relocating hormones from growing 1 main cola to growing several. So topping forces the plant to grow mulitple colas instead of just one resulting into increased yields. You also control plant height which is usually an issue indoors.
Topping i highly doubt was the issue for the fluffy and air buds compared to the untopped plant. Dont get me wrong you can still get good yields without topping and let the plant grow all natural. But topping primarily is done by everyone and serve multiple purposes. Ive never heard of topping causing a plant to decrease yield and produce airy buds, that def sounds odd.
brodietheconeking
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I have noticed you only get 4 decent heads the others look ok but are nowhere near as dense, and them 4 main heads are from the 2 sets of nodes with the flow channels on forgot the real term but there like knuckles.
So your losing your main cola to put energy into the other 4...but your always gonna get more of your main stem in my opinion its the ultimate source of the plant .
SPLFreak808
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I would be impressed if all your strains yielded more when topped. In reality, it is not the case for most genetics. Some plants grown under high powered HPS bulbs can yield more when NOT topped with the exeption of being a more prone to mold. Topping every plant is a mistake unless you dont have the proper light and ventilation. No other stem will have faster production then the main stem, if you veg less then 4 weeks then i dont see why one would want/need to top for yield. if the main stem isnt in the way of lower branches then no need to top unless its a dense strain in a humid environment like l.
churchhaze
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K deficiency and too low of a low pH can easily be the same thing.
Most pH up is potassium hydroxide, which is about 80% K2O equivalent.
Also, only ammonical/urea based nitrogen will block out potassium. Nitrate based nitrate will actually make potassium more available. (think potassium nitrate vs ammonium phosphate or ammonium sulfate)
Most pH up is potassium hydroxide, which is about 80% K2O equivalent.
Also, only ammonical/urea based nitrogen will block out potassium. Nitrate based nitrate will actually make potassium more available. (think potassium nitrate vs ammonium phosphate or ammonium sulfate)
People top plants and train them because when you have height requirement and plant counts you need to get the most out of your plants.
You only get 4 main colas when you top once. I top 4 times from clone and get 32 colas and veg for 8 weeks. They are usually 4-5ft tall and about 3-4 ft wide. Averaging anywhere from a half a pound per plant.
Topping serves such purposes. You absolutely dont need to top but saying it decreases yield idk about that. Or saying it causes fluffy and airy buds because someone topped isnt right either. Just saying.
What strains dont like to be topped? Besides auto flowers I dont know anyone who doesnt top their plants at some point during their grow. Unless your outdoors and height isnt a limiting factor.
I'd love to hear other people's opinions that also think that topping reduces yield.
I'd love to hear other people's opinions that also think that topping reduces yield.
Topping forces your plant to relocate hormones and instead of just having one main cola you top your plant to produce several main colas.
Also when you top you reduce the amount of energy plants need to get nutrients all the way up to the main stem/shoot.
Thats why topping is important if you want to increase yield, because it creates a shorter bushier plant and even canopy that reduces the amount of energy needed to supply tall plants. Thats also why removing "sucker branches and shoots" helps upper bud development. Because they do exactly what they say they suck resources and nutrients away from the part of the plant that is going to provide you the best flowers.
Anytime you top you change the structure of your plant and control how it will grow. Having a nice even canopy allows you to pack many plants into a confined area that the light is limited to cover. This is why scrog and sea of green works so well. Topping abosultely increases yield because you control this aspect if your grown utilizing all of the light and limited space. You may get more yield off of 1 untopped plant but you would also be able to get more yield topping and controlling the growth because you can maximize the efficiency in your garden when you top and control the canopy when you run several plants per light.
Also when you top you reduce the amount of energy plants need to get nutrients all the way up to the main stem/shoot.
Thats why topping is important if you want to increase yield, because it creates a shorter bushier plant and even canopy that reduces the amount of energy needed to supply tall plants. Thats also why removing "sucker branches and shoots" helps upper bud development. Because they do exactly what they say they suck resources and nutrients away from the part of the plant that is going to provide you the best flowers.
Anytime you top you change the structure of your plant and control how it will grow. Having a nice even canopy allows you to pack many plants into a confined area that the light is limited to cover. This is why scrog and sea of green works so well. Topping abosultely increases yield because you control this aspect if your grown utilizing all of the light and limited space. You may get more yield off of 1 untopped plant but you would also be able to get more yield topping and controlling the growth because you can maximize the efficiency in your garden when you top and control the canopy when you run several plants per light.
ushade2
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It's awesome that even your dog can grow... it's that easy folks!!!
budman111
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So you are going to honestly tell me that growing a plant from seed un topped under lets say. 1000w lamp will out produce a plant that has been topped multiple times and you think the 1 bud you get off the main stem will out yield 30 top colas you get from topping your plant (correctly!) im not talking about topping your plant 1 time at the 2-4th node. Im talking continously topping and veggin for several weeks to grow bushes as I show you an example of one of mine below.
This is a pic of just one plant and then a top view has about 24-30 different main bud sites now from continuous toppings. These plants will yield 6 ounces on average. And grow now taller then 4 feet. You cannot honestly tell me a non topped plant will out yield this plant whatsoever. I call bull on that sorry my friend. Topping is one of the best things you can do for your plant and increasing yields.
This is a pic of just one plant and then a top view has about 24-30 different main bud sites now from continuous toppings. These plants will yield 6 ounces on average. And grow now taller then 4 feet. You cannot honestly tell me a non topped plant will out yield this plant whatsoever. I call bull on that sorry my friend. Topping is one of the best things you can do for your plant and increasing yields.
To answer the original posters question and to get back on the actual topic. Those plants looks like its either mag (still have dark green veins moving from tips inward, and its lower part of the plant). It may also be a deficiency of (K) potassium. Would be better if we could see entire plant and the top growth. idk what part of stage of growth you are in. But i may lean more towards mag on this one, unless the top growth has similar deficiency then it may also be a K problem. Could even be start of both.
Theres so many variable and guessing without knowing water source, medium, you feeding ppm and ph, stage of growth and what type of nutrients you are using; its hard to wing it and nail it down to just one thing. But I would start with one of those issues and check you medium and run off, if it is a K deficiency most likely caused by excess salts Na built up in your medium. Thats usually the culpirt of a K deficiency. The easier problem would be solving mag deficiency by adding epsom salts at 1/4 tsp per gallon roughly. Could also foliar spray and I would recommend cutting edge mag amp it works the fastest, as does their plant amp they are both premium products. Check it out! Good luck hope this helps
brodietheconeking
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Yes whenever I do that I get very low fluffy yeild, like this....2 oz per plant...13th day of flush this was taken
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That plant is at the end of bloom?
Then you did something very wrong. If that plant has been flowering for 8-9 weeks whatever the case, then you are having issues and I would start with nutrients and water (ph, etc..)
Theres no way a bushy plant like that even though it is small isnt going to yield a couple of ounces. It looks like you topped once maybe twice at most??
When you top your plants you need to veg longer. So if you were to say that an untopped plant vs a topped with only 3 weeks veg time out performed the topped plant. Then I would believe that may be the case. The fact is topping a plant slows down growth, requiring a longer veg period maybe an extra week or two. But you will be paid back ten fold topping the plant and utilizing/maximizing your entire grow room and area. The intent and purpose of topping is to create a nice flat even canopy that produces many bud sites and in turn will maximize your yield and space. This is especially important with grow room space (limited height and room size) and also if you have plant counts. A topped plant grown properly will out yield an untopped plant habds down no doubt about it (but you need to do it correctly!!). This is the key factor in yield and return.
This is what you should be aiming to achieve. An absolute flat canopy all plants growing the same height and in turn creates many more bud sites and the light is captured and evenly displaced throughout the entire area. This is what increases your yields.
You cant expect a topped plant to yield same amount or more unless you veg it longer thats the point of it. An untopped plant will obviously be much bigger but you only get a few large buds, primarily one main bud off the meristem that gets all the primary growth. When you top you change hormones and apical dominance which is spread out among all of the shoots at the top increasing overall yields and bud sites. Leaving you with many main colas.
I think you have been doing a few things incorrectly which is causing you to get subpar results from topping your plants. Thats my conclusion.
I think you have been doing a few things incorrectly which is causing you to get subpar results from topping your plants. Thats my conclusion.
Look at this plant (6 week veg) in week 6 of bloom.
You see there are over 20 colas on this plant. No way in hell an untopped plant will produce anywhere near what I will get out this plant right here. And there are 6 of them per light. This is just one plant front and center
You see there are over 20 colas on this plant. No way in hell an untopped plant will produce anywhere near what I will get out this plant right here. And there are 6 of them per light. This is just one plant front and center
brodietheconeking
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- This is wat im on with atm <==dunno wat thst 1.is cant delete it, obviously untopped, I got the same strain ready to go straight in again when shes down, I will pull 7/9 off her, garanteed I dont pull that of the ones topped going in after, and I double my veg time when I top, it just doesnt work for me maybe because I only run 400hps I dunno..
