Root development cloning discovery

[Soul Sativa]

I'm relatively new here so if my "discovery" has already been claimed by another; my apologies.

If not.... I have stumbled on something I found intersting. In using a root riot block and gel hormone, I started taking microscopic photos to track the root development. To my surprise and sincere delight, I am now going to change my methods for cutting clones. The discovery was that new leaves readily convert their growth to rooting when given the hormone and closed off from light. I'm using a top feed dwc for my clones (experimenting and having fun) and the root riot blocks are held in place by hydroton. Take a look at the photos to see what I'm talking about. Notice the dramatic difference in root starts on the green leaf vs the main stem.

 

[Soul Sativa]

Is this common knowledge? In all my extensive reading, I've never run across anything that speaks specifically to the benefit of keeping new leaves on clones for bulky root development......

 

[Gbuddy]

Thats intresting. It suggest its good to leave a bit of baby leafe on the lowest internode of the cutting. In jiffys or soil it would cause fouling. Maybe its different in a completly dark bubblecloner.

More experimenting should be done like side by side tests.....

 

[Rev.thenatural]

Thats intresting. It suggest its good to leave a bit of baby leafe on the lowest internode of the cutting. In jiffys or soil it would cause fouling. Maybe its different in a completly dark bubblecloner.

More experimenting should be done like side by side tests.....

It does help as you seen. Cannabis and most plants will eat off of their leaves to build new roots or repair damaged ones. Many times when growers see lower fan leaves yellowing, they think deficiency, when in fact it is usually the plant eating leaves to grow or repair roots. Keep observing as that's how you learn. If others criticize, worry not and apply what works best for you no matter what. If your a new by, I will not try to fill you with too much now but also consider organics whenever possible so study up and use hid instead of HP's " don't care what anybody says and you will thank me" and give your trees a minimum of 15-16 weeks and don't boggle around on too many forums as you can be lead to not know your left from right. If your an observer and not afraid to learn from mistakes and find the reason the mistakes happened, you will be a top shelf grower and you will learn yielding techniques as you go along. Most important at first is learning to grow quality healing meds that will clog the joint after three hits and make your mouth water and take you off earth for truly a good six hours when smoked. Organics hid and patience in ripening, will get you going in a better direction than most, if willing to listen. Scroll around and learn what's good but if you find something good that works, don't expect to always find a welcoming committee for your new horizons lol. One love, rev.thenatural

 

[Soul Sativa]

Sage words Reverend.

I don't let anyone nix my ambitions. Although, if backed up with science I can be persuaded.

I'm enjoying my grow now instead of treating it like a task. Nutes this, lights that; I'm letting the plants talk to me and tell me what they need/like with some experimenting. I have switched gears to quality and refined techniques. I have special beans that were gifted to me by an old timer - 30 year old seeds and I got a few to pop. The cloning discovery makes sense with leaf material used for nutrients; and normally they do rot unless you dip the leaves in rooting hormone.

 

[Rob Roy]

It does help as you seen. Cannabis and most plants will eat off of their leaves to build new roots or repair damaged ones. Many times when growers see lower fan leaves yellowing, they think deficiency, when in fact it is usually the plant eating leaves to grow or repair roots. Keep observing as that's how you learn. If others criticize, worry not and apply what works best for you no matter what. If your a new by, I will not try to fill you with too much now but also consider organics whenever possible so study up and use hid instead of HP's " don't care what anybody says and you will thank me" and give your trees a minimum of 15-16 weeks and don't boggle around on too many forums as you can be lead to not know your left from right. If your an observer and not afraid to learn from mistakes and find the reason the mistakes happened, you will be a top shelf grower and you will learn yielding techniques as you go along. Most important at first is learning to grow quality healing meds that will clog the joint after three hits and make your mouth water and take you off earth for truly a good six hours when smoked. Organics hid and patience in ripening, will get you going in a better direction than most, if willing to listen. Scroll around and learn what's good but if you find something good that works, don't expect to always find a welcoming committee for your new horizons lol. One love, rev.thenatural

Interesting and thoughtful advice.

When some lower leaves turn yellow, isn't it possible that nitrogen is being mobilized to new top leafy growth as well ? I'm not trying to put words into your post, but you mentioned it was usually for new root growth / repair.

Wouldn't the reallocation be to the most pressing needs area of the plant? I'm not sure how the plant "knows" where or how to ratio the transferred material and if there is some hierarchy or what causes the plant to sense where to transfer the good stuff to....just curious why one area of the plant might get favored as to the transfer location.

 

[Soul Sativa]

The lack of light and exposure to rooting hormone is what converts the cells from leaf production. Without light, the cells are no longer viable for photosynthesis. Thus, the cell energy converts to root development. I speculate that the new growth leaves host a higher concentration of growth cells vs the stalk, resulting in the new root starts being so abundant. Like I said, this is my speculation.

 

[Soul Sativa]

For a quick reference (for those that don't have something like this)

Here's an easy-to-read matrix on plant issues.

I'm posting this because there was an earlier conversation about yellowing bottom leaves and nutrients.

 

[ButchyBoy]

It does help as you seen. Cannabis and most plants will eat off of their leaves to build new roots or repair damaged ones. Many times when growers see lower fan leaves yellowing, they think deficiency, when in fact it is usually the plant eating leaves to grow or repair roots. Keep observing as that's how you learn. If others criticize, worry not and apply what works best for you no matter what. If your a new by, I will not try to fill you with too much now but also consider organics whenever possible so study up and use hid instead of HP's " don't care what anybody says and you will thank me" and give your trees a minimum of 15-16 weeks and don't boggle around on too many forums as you can be lead to not know your left from right. If your an observer and not afraid to learn from mistakes and find the reason the mistakes happened, you will be a top shelf grower and you will learn yielding techniques as you go along. Most important at first is learning to grow quality healing meds that will clog the joint after three hits and make your mouth water and take you off earth for truly a good six hours when smoked. Organics hid and patience in ripening, will get you going in a better direction than most, if willing to listen. Scroll around and learn what's good but if you find something good that works, don't expect to always find a welcoming committee for your new horizons lol. One love, rev.thenatural

Loving the info.... Are you saying to let them flower for 15-16 weeks? If so I have done that to a plant and it grew the hardest flowers I have ever grown. They were gold tinted due to the trichomes all being amber. Very stoney smoke!!!

 

[Rev.thenatural]

Loving the info.... Are you saying to let them flower for 15-16 weeks? If so I have done that to a plant and it grew the hardest flowers I have ever grown. They were gold tinted due to the trichomes all being amber. Very stoney smoke!!!

Indeed brother. It takes longer to go through all stages, however 15-16 weeks is minimum for hybrids. As the tree ripens and goes through chemical changes, the effects will change. However, you are getting a more ripe fruit and the cannabinoids will benefit more than THC. If you want more of the mind expansion, ripen on past that until the tree produces red/gold trichomes and those cannabinoids are super healers together. 20+ weeks for that in most hybrids and the tree is beautiful around that stage. Cutting early has destroyed true healings and knowledge of the tree, but most don't know better. Instance, Acapulco gold is not gold " I grow pure ones," they were gold back in the day for the farmers would cut them in Dec,Jan, and even February. This allowed the tree to ripen cannabinoids and change color and then they dried and decarbed in the sun, which made it gold. Acapulco back then was easily recognized because of this and plus it expanded the mind more than any other. Now Mexicans like most up here, cut early to supply demand. Now all the bud is pretty much green and gives paranoia and only the experienced eye back home in the southeast can recognize and find seeds from the old classics. When you do, you grow them yourself under hid and let them ripen 20+ weeks and its too much for most to handle. Pure Mexicans are the strongest trees in the world period, its just one in a thousand or more grows them properly. I've lived out west now 18 months and love helping people to know truth. I've yet to have a joint clog and I've smoked what's supposed to be the best. Not even. I will be glad god willing to share a true ripened sativa experience with people out here soon and good genetics. Remember also, if going for further ripening, feed well and molasses and sugar are your friends. When the tree starts really building red trichomes and changes color for second stage it will double almost the weight and bud. You will also get it super potent and oils and edibles are super healers then. Its worth it. Better meds, more of it and less drying and curing the further you ripen. Take it to the very end and it can be used right away, no drying or curing. One love, rev.thenatural

 

[xxMissxx]

Indeed brother. It takes longer to go through all stages, however 15-16 weeks is minimum for hybrids. As the tree ripens and goes through chemical changes, the effects will change. However, you are getting a more ripe fruit and the cannabinoids will benefit more than THC. If you want more of the mind expansion, ripen on past that until the tree produces red/gold trichomes and those cannabinoids are super healers together. 20+ weeks for that in most hybrids and the tree is beautiful around that stage. Cutting early has destroyed true healings and knowledge of the tree, but most don't know better. Instance, Acapulco gold is not gold " I grow pure ones," they were gold back in the day for the farmers would cut them in Dec,Jan, and even February. This allowed the tree to ripen cannabinoids and change color and then they dried and decarbed in the sun, which made it gold. Acapulco back then was easily recognized because of this and plus it expanded the mind more than any other. Now Mexicans like most up here, cut early to supply demand. Now all the bud is pretty much green and gives paranoia and only the experienced eye back home in the southeast can recognize and find seeds from the old classics. When you do, you grow them yourself under hid and let them ripen 20+ weeks and its too much for most to handle. Pure Mexicans are the strongest trees in the world period, its just one in a thousand or more grows them properly. I've lived out west now 18 months and love helping people to know truth. I've yet to have a joint clog and I've smoked what's supposed to be the best. Not even. I will be glad god willing to share a true ripened sativa experience with people out here soon and good genetics. Remember also, if going for further ripening, feed well and molasses and sugar are your friends. When the tree starts really building red trichomes and changes color for second stage it will double almost the weight and bud. You will also get it super potent and oils and edibles are super healers then. Its worth it. Better meds, more of it and less drying and curing the further you ripen. Take it to the very end and it can be used right away, no drying or curing. One love, rev.thenatural

wow thats really interesting...... I kinda wanna try it out!

 

[Soul Sativa]

Hijacked....

 

[BobCajun]

I don't think those are actually roots. Looks like the little hairs that are normally on the undersides of leaves. You can just see them better on very young leaves. To get roots there has to be callous developed on the cut of the stem, it's like a nearly clear ball. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your photos are supposed to be showing.

 

[Rev.thenatural]

Interesting and thoughtful advice.

When some lower leaves turn yellow, isn't it possible that nitrogen is being mobilized to new top leafy growth as well ? I'm not trying to put words into your post, but you mentioned it was usually for new root growth / repair.

Wouldn't the reallocation be to the most pressing needs area of the plant? I'm not sure how the plant "knows" where or how to ratio the transferred material and if there is some hierarchy or what causes the plant to sense where to transfer the good stuff to....just curious why one area of the plant might get favored as to the transfer location.

Yes, I believe your right on. Now, for those not using organics, I would say adding extra nitrogen could indeed stop the tree from eating off its leaves a bit, when building new or damaged roots, however in organics, better to let nature take its course. I showed a student last summer how especially under hid vegging the trees would eat bottom leaves for root growth or repair. Lol he asked, well are you sure rev? Yes, if bottom leaves are yellowing in veg it is for root repair or root building or they have developed the branch from the node and ate the leaf down as it has done its job and produced a branch from the node. Then I showed him the fresh green growth coming from the top of this transplant and said, now if the new growth looks like the bottom ...then theirs a problem somewhere. Truth is, messing these trees up and watching them recover is the best learning tool. One love, rev.thenatural

 

[jwreck]

Indeed brother. It takes longer to go through all stages, however 15-16 weeks is minimum for hybrids. As the tree ripens and goes through chemical changes, the effects will change. However, you are getting a more ripe fruit and the cannabinoids will benefit more than THC. If you want more of the mind expansion, ripen on past that until the tree produces red/gold trichomes and those cannabinoids are super healers together. 20+ weeks for that in most hybrids and the tree is beautiful around that stage. Cutting early has destroyed true healings and knowledge of the tree, but most don't know better. Instance, Acapulco gold is not gold " I grow pure ones," they were gold back in the day for the farmers would cut them in Dec,Jan, and even February. This allowed the tree to ripen cannabinoids and change color and then they dried and decarbed in the sun, which made it gold. Acapulco back then was easily recognized because of this and plus it expanded the mind more than any other. Now Mexicans like most up here, cut early to supply demand. Now all the bud is pretty much green and gives paranoia and only the experienced eye back home in the southeast can recognize and find seeds from the old classics. When you do, you grow them yourself under hid and let them ripen 20+ weeks and its too much for most to handle. Pure Mexicans are the strongest trees in the world period, its just one in a thousand or more grows them properly. I've lived out west now 18 months and love helping people to know truth. I've yet to have a joint clog and I've smoked what's supposed to be the best. Not even. I will be glad god willing to share a true ripened sativa experience with people out here soon and good genetics. Remember also, if going for further ripening, feed well and molasses and sugar are your friends. When the tree starts really building red trichomes and changes color for second stage it will double almost the weight and bud. You will also get it super potent and oils and edibles are super healers then. Its worth it. Better meds, more of it and less drying and curing the further you ripen. Take it to the very end and it can be used right away, no drying or curing. One love, rev.thenatural

there are hybrids that finish in 7-8 weeks- flowering them for 16-20 weeks is just crazy thats for pure sativas or sativa dominant only, do that to a fast finisher and youll have nanners every where and the thc would have degraded big time. from all the books and info ive read amber trichs = less thc

 

[Rev.thenatural]

there are hybrids that finish in 7-8 weeks- flowering them for 16-20 weeks is just crazy thats for pure sativas or sativa dominant only, do that to a fast finisher and youll have nanners every where and the thc would have degraded big time. from all the books and info ive read amber trichs = less thc

The books are wrong brother and they will soon be rewritten. I studied the books. I also studied: geography,evolution,space,archaeology, animal and plant husbandry and of course old texts that would make a mason drool. In the end, my understandings started sounding like many others understandings, of course with my own delusional add on's to boot as others did and do. I started realizing, the best science in all fields is the science presented by scientist who in most cases got barred from their professions with actually true info..oops. Sometimes, even silenced for good...believe it. The prohibition of this tree,combined with the misunderstanding in the truth of evolution and what actually causes it, has lead horticulturist, botanist and scientist to have a complete misunderstanding of this " fruit tree " that is devolved like all of us and everything else on earth right now. Seven years ago I found out I knew nothing. 340 pound piece of prideful work and a brute beast before my creator. Then he came, he taught and I chose to listen. To what rev? That god my logical left brain decided to convince me did not exhist. Soon I found myself finding answers and the unreal reality of what I use to support and so many others still do and will fight you and even kill for. The reality is: " nobody in positions of power give a damn about anybody moving forward in their quest for truth." They hide it in plain site. Cannabis is not of this earth, uh oh rev. Cannabis was brought here from another dying planet around 7500 years ago. Rev, their carbon dating says! Carbon dating is garbage...puke. When it was brought, it was planted in a greenhouse...eden. The man the world believes is god planted it their as a fruit tree. Hush rev, not yet! A healing tree that growed under the rays of our binary twin sun that is red. Every 3600 years the red sun comes through with its planets. When this happens, just as Bruce banner turned into the incredible hulk by being exposed to intense gamma and UV radiation. The red suns rays will have an intense amount of UV and gamma rays different from this sun and that with an increase in oxygen and co2, did, does and will change everything on earth on a cellular level and you and everything changes form and becomes gigantic, including us. Hush rev. Now that we and that tree are cursed/devolved the tree has to completely die to give the best healing effects. Think of a banana when I explain this and you'll get it. Cannabis has three main stages of ripening were it goes through chemical changes and each stage has better healing chemicals and yes the effects mentally change as well. First stage is thc and were most people cut and sadly most cut before its even ripe in THC. Now its not truly ripe in THC until all the leaves have fallen off and the buds harden and there's no longer much smell buy you get it back in cure. True THC ripening for an 80% sativa hybrid, under its own 1000 watt light will usually take 15-16 weeks and yes indica's will a bit faster. Now the banana is still green but at least at that point truly ripe in THC and becoming a healer. Now second stage ripening. Once you see the tree is ripe in first stage " green banana " you will think its done, but wait! Within a week or so, you will notice the tree will start to change color to a reddish/brown and the trichomes will start turning beautiful red or red/purple/pink. At that point cannabinoids are being produced and in a few weeks you will see the whole tree and the trichomes turn the same beautiful color and will have loads of healing cbd that is far cry better than acidic THC in the green banana phase as oils made from this stage of ripening destroyed my cancer and disease over night. Now third stage. Once again the tree within a week or two will start to go through a color change and chemical change again. The tree and the trichomes will start to turn gold...beautiful unreal gold and once the tree turns completely gold, your banana is ripe and your producing CBN/cbg Harvest 50% red and 50% gold trichomes and you make meds that destroy disease and a sativa at this stage will allow your mind to expand and understand. HP's and chemical fertilizers will not ripen them. Hid and organics and of course patience will. It is a long haul, but is it worth it? Yes, this info will before long set this tree free until the red sun returns soon and the judgement is upon.When people see the truth of this tree and how following the true history of this tree will allow the truth of all things to come out as all these truths are connected to this tree...then the people will stand worldwide for it and will grow it, make things from it and most important...eat it, but rev the experts say your nuts! Believe them, its freewill and we all have it...or listen and feel, just feel. When the wisdom tree returns to the earth to be grown everywhere, all things in the environment benefit and live long and healthy. No more bad food, bad living, ignorance,stupidity, destroying ourselves and our children and earth, will be no more. Just you, us and all things happy under the father and his shepherd. The mischief makers will be gone with all their lies to be forgotten. That's allot rev. No, not really, just a drop in a large bucket of wisdom and truth for those who choose understanding. I'm glad I did. No matter the petty cost of this life. The next evolution, wow! All men and women will be wise nobody, more than the other. One love, rev.thenatural

 

[james murphy]

tell us how u really feel..

 

[MrRare]

The books are wrong brother and they will soon be rewritten. I studied the books. I also studied: geography,evolution,space,archaeology, animal and plant husbandry and of course old texts that would make a mason drool. In the end, my understandings started sounding like many others understandings, of course with my own delusional add on's to boot as others did and do. I started realizing, the best science in all fields is the science presented by scientist who in most cases got barred from their professions with actually true info..oops. Sometimes, even silenced for good...believe it. The prohibition of this tree,combined with the misunderstanding in the truth of evolution and what actually causes it, has lead horticulturist, botanist and scientist to have a complete misunderstanding of this " fruit tree " that is devolved like all of us and everything else on earth right now. Seven years ago I found out I knew nothing. 340 pound piece of prideful work and a brute beast before my creator. Then he came, he taught and I chose to listen. To what rev? That god my logical left brain decided to convince me did not exhist. Soon I found myself finding answers and the unreal reality of what I use to support and so many others still do and will fight you and even kill for. The reality is: " nobody in positions of power give a damn about anybody moving forward in their quest for truth." They hide it in plain site. Cannabis is not of this earth, uh oh rev. Cannabis was brought here from another dying planet around 7500 years ago. Rev, their carbon dating says! Carbon dating is garbage...puke. When it was brought, it was planted in a greenhouse...eden. The man the world believes is god planted it their as a fruit tree. Hush rev, not yet! A healing tree that growed under the rays of our binary twin sun that is red. Every 3600 years the red sun comes through with its planets. When this happens, just as Bruce banner turned into the incredible hulk by being exposed to intense gamma and UV radiation. The red suns rays will have an intense amount of UV and gamma rays different from this sun and that with an increase in oxygen and co2, did, does and will change everything on earth on a cellular level and you and everything changes form and becomes gigantic, including us. Hush rev. Now that we and that tree are cursed/devolved the tree has to completely die to give the best healing effects. Think of a banana when I explain this and you'll get it. Cannabis has three main stages of ripening were it goes through chemical changes and each stage has better healing chemicals and yes the effects mentally change as well. First stage is thc and were most people cut and sadly most cut before its even ripe in THC. Now its not truly ripe in THC until all the leaves have fallen off and the buds harden and there's no longer much smell buy you get it back in cure. True THC ripening for an 80% sativa hybrid, under its own 1000 watt light will usually take 15-16 weeks and yes indica's will a bit faster. Now the banana is still green but at least at that point truly ripe in THC and becoming a healer. Now second stage ripening. Once you see the tree is ripe in first stage " green banana " you will think its done, but wait! Within a week or so, you will notice the tree will start to change color to a reddish/brown and the trichomes will start turning beautiful red or red/purple/pink. At that point cannabinoids are being produced and in a few weeks you will see the whole tree and the trichomes turn the same beautiful color and will have loads of healing cbd that is far cry better than acidic THC in the green banana phase as oils made from this stage of ripening destroyed my cancer and disease over night. Now third stage. Once again the tree within a week or two will start to go through a color change and chemical change again. The tree and the trichomes will start to turn gold...beautiful unreal gold and once the tree turns completely gold, your banana is ripe and your producing CBN/cbg Harvest 50% red and 50% gold trichomes and you make meds that destroy disease and a sativa at this stage will allow your mind to expand and understand. HP's and chemical fertilizers will not ripen them. Hid and organics and of course patience will. It is a long haul, but is it worth it? Yes, this info will before long set this tree free until the red sun returns soon and the judgement is upon.When people see the truth of this tree and how following the true history of this tree will allow the truth of all things to come out as all these truths are connected to this tree...then the people will stand worldwide for it and will grow it, make things from it and most important...eat it, but rev the experts say your nuts! Believe them, its freewill and we all have it...or listen and feel, just feel. When the wisdom tree returns to the earth to be grown everywhere, all things in the environment benefit and live long and healthy. No more bad food, bad living, ignorance,stupidity, destroying ourselves and our children and earth, will be no more. Just you, us and all things happy under the father and his shepherd. The mischief makers will be gone with all their lies to be forgotten. That's allot rev. No, not really, just a drop in a large bucket of wisdom and truth for those who choose understanding. I'm glad I did. No matter the petty cost of this life. The next evolution, wow! All men and women will be wise nobody, more than the other. One love, rev.thenatural

Rev
That is some very deep sentiment. Your thoughts and experience on the changes and timing for harvest are very interesting. I have often wondered about the 8-12 week flowering cycle and the optimum time of harvest. So if I understand your post above you are suggesting waiting 15-16 weeks for sativa and something less for indica? I have always observed the tricomes and harvested when 80% were amber. Do you continue feeding the whole time or do you believe in the need to flush with h2o prior to harvest?

 

[Rev.thenatural]

Rev
That is some very deep sentiment. Your thoughts and experience on the changes and timing for harvest are very interesting. I have often wondered about the 8-12 week flowering cycle and the optimum time of harvest. So if I understand your post above you are suggesting waiting 15-16 weeks for sativa and something less for indica? I have always observed the tricomes and harvested when 80% were amber. Do you continue feeding the whole time or do you believe in the need to flush with h2o prior to harvest?

Wonderful questions brother. First if your going that far already in your ripening, you are ahead of most. Now if doing organics, yes you need to keep feeding until all trichomes have turned red and of course the whole tree turns color as well. No need for flushing. Chemicals are next to impossible to truly get the tree at its most potent as the need for flushing. Once the tree goes all red, then wait for gold to show and then at about 50% red 50% gold, you have a combination of cbd/cbg/CBN and others and a supreme healer when making oils, edibles, ect. When scientist tested the chemicals cbd/cbg/CBN ect. They only find trace amounts of these chemicals, reason is they are testing early cut bud most the time that's grown piss poor under HP's. When they test these cannabinoids at an early stage, they are not able to understand those chemicals correctly as they are in their infancy. They have to test more ripened bud to understand cbd/cbg/CBN correctly. God help us get this info out and set this tree free for good so people can heal and big pharmaceutical will be done forever killing the people in their ignorance. One love, rev.thenatural

 

[MrRare]

Rev
I have read much on this subject and as I recall most state that the THC begins degrading after the tricomes turn amber. What are your thoughts on this as your sentiments above seem to refute this?