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GroErr

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Last look at the LED Tent before I move the 2x Fems into the flower room. I was stoned when I took the last pics and mixed them up so went in there last night (straight!) and did a triple check.

P2 is the male, P1 (nice smell profile on this one!) & P3 are fems. P1/P3 will go into the main flower room tonight on stilts and flower out beside the 2x 5gal BR's in there. P2 will remain in the LED Tent and 30 days or so I should have a nice bunch of pollen. It's a vigorous seedling, indica-leaning pheno, light on the smell profile but will see what comes out. All 3 of these seedlings have the trait I've seen on almost all of these BR seeds, they have 9 point leaves on the main top. The P1 pheno has 11 point if you count two little nubs at the base of the leaves. I have rooted clones of al 3, pretty sure that P1 could be another keeper fem :)

The group:
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P1 (fem):
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P2 (male):
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P3 (fem):
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Some shots of the flower room while I was getting pics last night. Day 35 for the 2x 7gal and Day 6 for the 2x 5gal. All are looking healthy, some slight discolouration on the larger fans at Day 35 but bud sites are fattening up nicely.

Group:
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Some Day 35 Blue Ripper bud porn, nice frost coming in:
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Day 98, approx. 4 weeks into flowering for the 2x 10gal Outdoor Blue Ripper's. They are liking this summer's weather, tons of sun and heat (we've been in the high 80's this week which is unusual here). Both are just packed with bud and still looking strong. Another 4 weeks max and a nice haul coming up :bigjoint:
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Dropped 5 of these into a water cup today. After almost giving up on this cross (PPP x Blueberry) I had a nice fem pheno going when I happened to get a male I was growing in a party cup so I chucked some pollen on a couple of branches. The mother finished with some very nice traits, sat-dom/small leaf pheno, fire with tons of frost, produced 59g from a 2gal pot, gold coloured buds and a minty flavour. Let's see what's in this box of chocolates ;)
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

mc130p

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Dropped 5 of these into a water cup today. After almost giving up on this cross (PPP x Blueberry) I had a nice fem pheno going when I happened to get a male I was growing in a party cup so I chucked some pollen on a couple of branches. The mother finished with some very nice traits, sat-dom/small leaf pheno, fire with tons of frost, produced 59g from a 2gal pot, gold coloured buds and a minty flavour. Let's see what's in this box of chocolates ;)
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Cheers :bigjoint:
hehe, i hadn't scrolled down far enough so for about 30 seconds, i was sitting here saying to myself, "Who gives a fuck about ibuprofen?"

I think maybe I missed it, but do you have any pics of the root damage due to the pythium? How did you diagnose it?
 

GroErr

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hehe, i hadn't scrolled down far enough so for about 30 seconds, i was sitting here saying to myself, "Who gives a fuck about ibuprofen?"

I think maybe I missed it, but do you have any pics of the root damage due to the pythium? How did you diagnose it?
Lol, wtf does ibuprophen have to do with weed? Anything that'll seal and keep them in the dark will do ;)

The pythium thing was weird. I started noticing there was something wrong in the flowering batch, the bottom/center of the plants were dying off on me, really dry/crispy. Then I noticed my clones were sluggish and a couple like my Blue Pyramid got it bad to the point I almost killed it off, whole plant was drying and dying off in veg. Thing is the generation behind the plants that were dying off went normal growth through veg cycle, then within 2 weeks of flowering they started drying/dying off in the center/bottom. All my clone roots looked Ok, white, no slime, normal rooting times but since it hit every strain I had cloned I figured the source was the cloner.

Tried to get some pics to see what the effects were but I run those fabric pots and the root systems are basically small stringers that fill the pot so couldn't get any pics that would show it. What I did notice is that the root systems in the affected plants weren't filling the pots. Normally, regardless of pot size in these fabric pots, at the end the whole pot is just one big mass of roots. The one's that were affected weren't anywhere near as dense with roots.

After seeing the effects of adding 150 ppm of H2O2 for the feedings, I'm going to continue using it in veg to make sure they're clean and prevent this mess again. No negative effects feeding them H2O2, if anything it's speeding them up. Only thing is, this wouldn't lend itself well to an organic grow because it'll kill off your soil/nutes.
 

GroErr

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Flower room is full again. Added the 2x 2gal JTR x Blueberry fems from the LED Tent. Batch at bottom-right in the first pic. That batch are all at Day 9 of 12/12. Still stretching into place and pre-flowering. They'll catch up to the batch at the back in height by next weekend. The 2x 7gal at the back are Day 38, building some weight and frost on them now. Had to clip a couple of the colas to the trellises to hold them up. Put the 315w bulb back in as that front batch is 36 x 36" and stretching.

Group:
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Some Day 38 Blue Ripper bud:
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Veg update and things are looking better. I'd mentioned some pythium issues a few weeks ago. One of the telling signs was slow, or more like stalled growth in veg. Below is a pic from last week (paying particular attention to the 5x 1gal pots on the right side of the cabinet) then a pic from last night, 6 days between these pics. I'd say growth has returned to normal pace. The best news is that the Blue Pyramid (center plant in the 5x 1gal pots) has recovered much better than I expected. I may flower it out later with no expectations as it took a beating but it's recovered enough that I can cut some clones soon and save it :hump:

Before:
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6 days later:
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Updated shots of the flower room and a couple of buds. The 1st batch is Day 41, newer batch is Day 12. Another 10 days or so, looks like I'll get at least a few zips from that first batch (they were also affected by pythium, I thinned them out and treated them at 2 weeks into 12/12). The Day 12 batch is also looking much better, not 100%, will need one more clone generation to get them back to 100% production but better than losing them altogether!
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Day 13 Shot of that JTR x Blueberry male, damn thing's grown into the light now, stretched like 3x it's original size. Should be done stretching shortly.

Threw a small clone in 1gal of the JTR X Blueberry into the main flower room so it'll be ready to chuck some pollen when this male's ready to mate. Should be good to hit a couple of branches of the current round in there at week 2 so I'll get a few F2 seeds and F1's of a new pheno in a 2gal that's smelling like heaven...

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

Gquebed

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Veg update and things are looking better. I'd mentioned some pythium issues a few weeks ago. One of the telling signs was slow, or more like stalled growth in veg. Below is a pic from last week (paying particular attention to the 5x 1gal pots on the right side of the cabinet) then a pic from last night, 6 days between these pics. I'd say growth has returned to normal pace. The best news is that the Blue Pyramid (center plant in the 5x 1gal pots) has recovered much better than I expected. I may flower it out later with no expectations as it took a beating but it's recovered enough that I can cut some clones soon and save it :hump:

Before:
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6 days later:
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Cheers :bigjoint:
Pythium.

I believe i may be suffering this right now. I tend to overwater my seeds. Once i get them into 1 gal pots i have usually done alright. But this time... things started out well and now things are really slow in the 1 gal pots. I though they might be root bound so potted up. The roots looked good and white and they were a bit root bound so inexpected them to take off i the new pots, but....so far.... no.

So...what other signs should i look for about pythium?

And...im in soilless...dont do organic...so was thinking h2o2...but i dont know what mix ratio and such...

Hopin you can help me out?
 

GroErr

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Pythium.

I believe i may be suffering this right now. I tend to overwater my seeds. Once i get them into 1 gal pots i have usually done alright. But this time... things started out well and now things are really slow in the 1 gal pots. I though they might be root bound so potted up. The roots looked good and white and they were a bit root bound so inexpected them to take off i the new pots, but....so far.... no.

So...what other signs should i look for about pythium?

And...im in soilless...dont do organic...so was thinking h2o2...but i dont know what mix ratio and such...

Hopin you can help me out?
Hey thanks for popping by. This was the first time I've had to deal with it indoor.

In my case I started to notice, almost simultaneously, two main things that alerted me to it.
#1 In late flower, like the last 2 weeks, I noticed my plants were drying out like to a crispy leaf stage, more noticeable at the bottom of the plant. The next batch (4 weeks behind the one I noticed it in) was worse and started this dry/crispy leaf thing within 2 weeks of flower. Towards the end I pulled one at least one week early and it yielded ~30% of what it should have - bad shit.

#2 Around the same time that I noticed the above in my flowering plants I started noticing a couple of things in veg. At first it just seemed to slow down my clones, one strain in particular was probably growing at about 50% it's normal rate, then it seemed like it just stalled. Then I noticed a couple of other strains where even in early veg, I was seeing some of the bottom section/leaves drying out and eventually a couple of the strains got those dry/crispy leaves. Important to note that whether in veg or flower, the drying/crispy leaves were starting from the bottom-up.

It was obvious to me that this was a root issue, looked wide spread, and wasn't going away so I started researching and came to the conclusion that if anything was going to help, it would be H2O2. Or, a mass culling of all clones and starting again - an option of last resort imo!

H2O2 mix:
You can buy food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide @35% concentration, then cut it down. Apparently (I read this a lot but never followed references) this 35% food grade is much better and stable than the typical 3% solution you can buy at the drug store, and a hell of a lot cheaper since you cut it down and get 11x the original amount when you cut it to 3%. I bought mine online in 1L bottles, then I cut it to 3% by using 11 parts filtered water to 1 part H2O2. e.g. I used a 1.9L juice bottle, put 150 ml of the 3% solution in, then filled the rest with filtered water. It's lasted me a few weeks and haven't even used 1/3 of the cut/3% bottle, plus still have 850ml of the original 35% mixture left, it's very economical.

PPM's and uses:
Flowering: I've used 150 ppm of the 3% H2O2 solution, added to my normal feedings in flowering. I've only put it into my mix when feeding (I usually feed-feed, then water-only in flowering). When I water-only I just do straight-up water. It definitely helped as the current run was affected and it looks like I'll be able to finish the run and get some decent yield out of it. In comparison, the run prior to this with no treatment yielded maybe 30% and had to be pulled a week early.

Clones: I've also now used it for a couple of generations @150 ppm from clone, when transferring the clones from my cloner, I use 150 ppm H2O2 in my water going into party cups. No ill effects, clones are looking great now..

Veg: Last couple of generations every time I feed them, I add150 ppm of H2O2. I just transplanted some clones from party cups into 1gal pots yesterday, there's new growth visible today already, no transplant shock or any sign of H2O2 causing any issues.

I will continue these methods until I'm sure it's gone and with clones, maybe even through veg, I'll continue using it as a preventative measure.

Hope that helps, good luck!
 

GroErr

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Camshot view of the ops.

Top-Left:
Veg Cabinet clones, potted them into 1gal from cups a few days ago, growing strong and nice colouring. Mix of JTR, Blue Dream, and Harlequin. Some other clones coming up in cups on the other end of the cab out of sight. Have a clone of that male in case it turns out well and that JTR x Blueberry Pheno 1 that's smelling awesome.

Top-Right:
Veg Tent has 2x Blue Ripper, 1x JTR, an 1x Blue Pyramid. They were up-potted from 1gal straight to 5gal. Will veg them for 2 weeks or so, clone and flower them. JTR and one of the Blue Ripper towards the left are getting massive, only a few days from being transplanted, they should end up being nice plants.

Bottom-Left:
Flower Room is full. About 1 week left for the one batch. They're putting some weight on, leaning, noticing the buds are nice and dense. Others at the back are at Day 17, long way to go but looking good. Threw a 1gal JTR x Blueberry clone that was in a 1gal pot for a week (on a cooler, bottom-left). Went in a few days ago, getting it flowering to pollinate the whole plant for some F2's in the breeding tent. That male will be ready in a few days and will get some fresh pollen :)

Bottom-Right:
JTR x Blueberry male, ripening up quick and throwing out a bunch of flowers, nice strong Blueberry smell to it. The large fans are covered in pollen already and it's only Day 17 at 12/12.

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Some final shots of this JTR x Blueberry male, Day 19. Will be a nice pollen haul, will start chopping the more mature flowers tomorrow. Will be chucking some on the weekend at specific branches on 2 new phenos on the go. Have a small 1gal Blue Ripper F1/Pheno 1 I've been running for a while about 6 days into 12/12, it will get all bud sites pollinated for a good bounty of F2's which will kick off another pheno hunt :)

It's starting to drop pollen, you can see a bunch of it on the leaf pic and some open "bananas" in at least one of the flower shots. Also notice the same trait that the fems have, 9 point leaves on the main colas :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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Outdoor 10gal Blue Ripper's Day 117/approx. 7 weeks flowering. They're maturing quick now, starting to fade a bit. Another week or 2 depending on the amount of sun and if the frost holds off. Some cool nights coming up this week, forecasting down to 47 tonight, should help tighten up the buds and finish them off. Really windy today, had a hard time getting a decent bud shot.
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Cheers :bigjoint:
 
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GroErr

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All gardening done for the weekend, taking a 24 hr. break, rolled a few for the trip and heading out in an hour or so with the GF. Downtown TO to see Van Morrison tonight, a bucket list artist I thought I'd end up flying to Europe to see. Tickets, room, and bar bill will cost just about as much as flying over there but fuck it - lol. Hoping he plays Tupelo Honey and Into The Mystic, among many other favourites, his cache of classics is endless - yeah baby :bigjoint:
 
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