Organic Growers: Breed or Cloning?

[cannakis]

Actually, it's mostly nitrogen and oxygen. Yes, gravity. The only thing I've been feeling lately is this damn protruding disc -- is that HIM too? Where can I find this guy "HIM" so I can give "HIM" a good smack upside "HIS" head.......

Hmm. We All Are going to die.

Everybody. Is going to die.

Doesn't mean your CREATOR does Not exist or Loves you and would be willing to remove your pain immediately if you truly asked and believed, because HE Does and Would.!

But there's a Lot more to Life than just making sure we are in Constant Comfort. Your back May be hurting but there sure are a Lot of people who are being tortutred and murdered right Now for merely Speaking THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST! And a Multitude others who are just in Constant Anguish NOT Comfort, and would trade places to have your hurt back right now in a Second.!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

**Shudder**
Actually, it's mostly nitrogen and oxygen. Yes, gravity. The only thing I've been feeling lately is this damn protruding disc -- is that HIM too? Where can I find this guy "HIM" so I can give "HIM" a good smack upside "HIS" head.......

fuckin A right
How about my ruptured disc at l4 and l5?
how about my friend who died at 26 from breast cancer, or....
Or we could simply have a scientific discussion.
OR we could talk about how many, many stories are actually retold egyptian parables...

 

[unwine99]

We All Are going to die. Everybody. Is going to die. Doesn't mean your CREATOR does Not exist or Loves you and would be willing to remove your pain immediately if you truly asked and believed, because HE Does and Would.!

Yes, agreed, we are all going to die but what does that have to do with anything? lol Anyway, I have back pain because of a genetic predisposition. My dad had terrible back pain. He had several surgeries to correct it as well as a morphine pump implanted into his abdomen that dripped morphine directly to his spine. The surgeries only made things worse and he died in his 40's after nearly two decades of coping with chronic pain -- he looked like a man in his 70's, not a man in his 40's. And as a matter of fact, he was a dedicated christian man who went to church and prayed regularly.

No amount of prayer or belief in an invisible man is going to move the ruptured disc tissue off of the nerve and back to its rightful place. Better posture, core strengthening, and staying at a decent weight have all helped greatly. If only my dad would have taken the same steps I have to avoid surgery and medication instead of placing his faith (hate that word) with a bunch of ancient gobbledygook.......the guy just might still be around today.

That's another funny thing about belief in god (no matter which one or ones you believe in) -- he likes to ignore the poor and less fortunate. In third world nations where superstition and belief in god is the most prevalent -- they suffer more and they die exponentially younger -- from starvation and from diseases that have largely been eradicated in the developed world where belief in god is much lesser. The number one cause of death for women in the developing world is still childbirth. They must not be christian enough, or muslim enough.......or wait, I know this one.......god must be testing their faith.

But there's a Lot more to Life than just making sure we are in Constant Comfort. Your back May be hurting but there sure are a Lot of people who are being tortutred and murdered right Now for merely Speaking THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!

I'm not sure what my back pain has to do with murder and torture (religious folk are notoriously habitual equivocators) and I'm not sure where I expressed my expectation of constant comfort but yes, you're right, christian folks are tortured and murdered -- and so are muslims and hindus and buddhists and secularists and statists and well, pretty much everybody. It's because we're an ape species -- a hop skip and a jump from bonobos and chimpanzees. We're tribal and fearful animals -- and we act like it -- it doesn't matter what you do or don't believe in.


Oh and I use solo cups with promix to clone. Throw it under a dome (spraying the dome daily) until you see new growth. I haven't had a clone die in years.

 

[Smidge34]

There is definitely a higher life force that separates us from the goddamn animals. Our conscious and higher awareness is your evidence, it's just not so convoluted, twisted and generally FUCKED up as your major religious sects have made it. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church with about 70 people present on a good Sunday and the preacher slinging the "N" word while smoking a cig before and after services "with the rest of the sinners". Couldn't wait to get away from that sad shit, but we are more than this vessel which carries our spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

There is definitely a higher life force that separates us from the goddamn animals. Our conscious and higher awareness is your evidence, it's just not so convoluted, twisted and generally FUCKED up as your major religious sects have made it. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church with about 70 people present on a good Sunday and the preacher slinging the "N" word while smoking a cig before and after services "with the rest of the sinners". Couldn't wait to get away from that sad shit, but we are more than this vessel which carries our spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it.

it's also human nature to believe that, along with many other dispositions.
I find it incredibly fascinating to see the tendencies that we all have, human psychology, human sexuality, social experiments, reveal that we are all vastly different, yet tend to do the same shit.
I was raised Baptist as well, went to church three times a week, spent roughly 10-15 hrs a week there, fully aware that it was borderline brainwashing, with an extensive fascination also with science and ancient civilization, it became clear to me at a very young age that religion wasn't something that my brain could possible identify with.
NOW, that being said I totally acknowledge that in many areas religion is a beautiful thing, sadly it's the people that fuck it up, which ironically brings be back to my first point, human nature.... Gather a group of humans together and VERY quickly it changes and morphs into ego battles, and hidden agendas/motives.
Some of the finest people I've ever come across have been religious, conversely some of the most reprehensible people I have know, have also been religious...
BUT, one thing I find funny, the people that are the most open to whatever religion/belief/philosophy you have? Are typically Buddhist/taoist/atheist.
To me, I look at religion like this, it's like sexual preference, you like, and want, what YOU like/want. So go ahead, just DON"T force that on anyone.
And don't fuckin JUDGE anyone. Not saying you are, saying by far, the most judgemental people I've encountered have been Christians in particular.
We could go rounds and rounds on this, and I may be alienating myself (don't really care). I just happened to be passionate about the subject... for personal reasons
The bible and Christian religion has many philosophies I cannot endorse, and I believe fully that if indeed, there was a god, he wouldn't be happy his name was drug through all that, all those lovely biblical parables.... war, genocide, hate, sexism, homophobia, racism...
I mean, would YOU be proud of those things??
I'd be a lil pissed that an evolved primate (approx. 92% chimp DNa) was talkin shit about ME, in MY name, and claiming it the gospel truth (literally)
meh...
anyways, sorry if I offended anyone (cannabis) and sorry for the rant fellas...

 

[greasemonkeymann]

some muslims just beat a 50yr old man to death because they suspected him of eating beef.
Religion...

 

[cannakis]

it's also human nature to believe that, along with many other dispositions.
I find it incredibly fascinating to see the tendencies that we all have, human psychology, human sexuality, social experiments, reveal that we are all vastly different, yet tend to do the same shit.
I was raised Baptist as well, went to church three times a week, spent roughly 10-15 hrs a week there, fully aware that it was borderline brainwashing, with an extensive fascination also with science and ancient civilization, it became clear to me at a very young age that religion wasn't something that my brain could possible identify with.
NOW, that being said I totally acknowledge that in many areas religion is a beautiful thing, sadly it's the people that fuck it up, which ironically brings be back to my first point, human nature.... Gather a group of humans together and VERY quickly it changes and morphs into ego battles, and hidden agendas/motives.
Some of the finest people I've ever come across have been religious, conversely some of the most reprehensible people I have know, have also been religious...
BUT, one thing I find funny, the people that are the most open to whatever religion/belief/philosophy you have? Are typically Buddhist/taoist/atheist.
To me, I look at religion like this, it's like sexual preference, you like, and want, what YOU like/want. So go ahead, just DON"T force that on anyone.
And don't fuckin JUDGE anyone. Not saying you are, saying by far, the most judgemental people I've encountered have been Christians in particular.
We could go rounds and rounds on this, and I may be alienating myself (don't really care). I just happened to be passionate about the subject... for personal reasons
The bible and Christian religion has many philosophies I cannot endorse, and I believe fully that if indeed, there was a god, he wouldn't be happy his name was drug through all that, all those lovely biblical parables.... war, genocide, hate, sexism, homophobia, racism...
I mean, would YOU be proud of those things??
I'd be a lil pissed that an evolved primate (approx. 92% chimp DNa) was talkin shit about ME, in MY name, and claiming it the gospel truth (literally)
meh...
anyways, sorry if I offended anyone (cannabis) and sorry for the rant fellas...

Hahaha no offense whatsoever thank GOD we are in the land of the free where we can Freely discuss this!

But I haven't forgot just been busy I will respond to all this later tonight. Some good stuff to discuss! This is gonna be good!

 

[cannakis]

fuckin A right
How about my ruptured disc at l4 and l5?
how about my friend who died at 26 from breast cancer, or....
Or we could simply have a scientific discussion.
OR we could talk about how many, many stories are actually retold egyptian parables...

Im truly sorry about that. That truly does suck, just heard of a friend of friend Mother mid 30s two kids and diagnosed with Lymphoma... Both of my Grandparents on my Mom's side have died... It sucks, interestingly though they lived near Cincinnati essentially On the Ohio River which that and the Mississippi are the two Most Polluted rivers in our Nation and probably the world, with the Highest Cancer Rates in the entire world!

But you know honestly i believe that that has a Lot to do with our Society of Death instead of Life. We are No longer Good Stewards of this earth--though thank GOD many are waking up--and because of such it A/Effects people on a catastrophic level.! But "This is Not our Rest." This is life, and it's hard, we are Merely Dirt... But with the Breath of Life within us.! Which is certainly Oxygen, yada yada science, but all this Science just Proves the Existence OF Some Higher Being. Even Richard Dawkins in an interview with Ben Stein in the movie "Expelled", Dawkins admits himself who wrote the "god delusion" and other books declaring the Non Existence of God, even he himself Admitted that there Was Some Higher Alien Lifeform that planted the First Cell!!!! Umm maybe that is GOD!

But even being a Good Steward of this earth and your life can only get you so far because you Never know what could happen! I mean a Tree Branch could fall and kill you as happened a couple years ago around here, right in front of the guy's Best Friend! And honestly i Believe that he believed that the man could have been raised from the dead... But JESUS CHRIST Said, "An evil and adulterous generation looks after a miraculous sign, but the only sign given to it is that of Jonah for as he was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, so will THE SON OF MAN be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights."

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was With GOD, and THE WORD Was GOD." This Word is just that as you say, the Egyptian Parables. THE TRUTH which has been in All Societies throughout all Existence.! THE TRUTH That we Know there is a Higher Intelligence and what is Right and Wrong. JESUS CHRIST Is the Manifestation of All These WORD and TRUTH, HE is THE WORD Manifest Flesh.

 

[cannakis]

Yes, agreed, we are all going to die but what does that have to do with anything? lol Anyway, I have back pain because of a genetic predisposition. My dad had terrible back pain. He had several surgeries to correct it as well as a morphine pump implanted into his abdomen that dripped morphine directly to his spine. The surgeries only made things worse and he died in his 40's after nearly two decades of coping with chronic pain -- he looked like a man in his 70's, not a man in his 40's. And as a matter of fact, he was a dedicated christian man who went to church and prayed regularly.

No amount of prayer or belief in an invisible man is going to move the ruptured disc tissue off of the nerve and back to its rightful place. Better posture, core strengthening, and staying at a decent weight have all helped greatly. If only my dad would have taken the same steps I have to avoid surgery and medication instead of placing his faith (hate that word) with a bunch of ancient gobbledygook.......the guy just might still be around today.

That's another funny thing about belief in god (no matter which one or ones you believe in) -- he likes to ignore the poor and less fortunate. In third world nations where superstition and belief in god is the most prevalent -- they suffer more and they die exponentially younger -- from starvation and from diseases that have largely been eradicated in the developed world where belief in god is much lesser. The number one cause of death for women in the developing world is still childbirth. They must not be christian enough, or muslim enough.......or wait, I know this one.......god must be testing their faith.




I'm not sure what my back pain has to do with murder and torture (religious folk are notoriously habitual equivocators) and I'm not sure where I expressed my expectation of constant comfort but yes, you're right, christian folks are tortured and murdered -- and so are muslims and hindus and buddhists and secularists and statists and well, pretty much everybody. It's because we're an ape species -- a hop skip and a jump from bonobos and chimpanzees. We're tribal and fearful animals -- and we act like it -- it doesn't matter what you do or don't believe in.


Oh and I use solo cups with promix to clone. Throw it under a dome (spraying the dome daily) until you see new growth. I haven't had a clone die in years.

There is More to Life than just making miracles happen all the time. That's the thing... JESUS CHRIST Says, "The Poor shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, the Meek shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven..." It truly Does Suck and while we are here on this earth like i have said we Must Be Good Stewards of this Earth, our fellow Man, and even our Temples/Bodies.! But at the same time, "This is Not our Rest." And to be honest this Is "the Rest" of the wicked, for THE LORD Even "loves them enough to give them over to their wicked desires..." BUT Only for a short time, and once they Truly Awake and are at the Judgement Seat they will be Sent to the Lake of Fire "where there is great weeping and gnashing of teeth!"

Exactly! We Are tribal Animals! We are merely Flesh! But that is what separates us From the animals, for we Have Souls and Spirit! Our Souls will Live on Forever! While the Breath/Spirit/Wind of the animal will go Back to THE LORD... to be Breathed back into another... (this is just what i believe...). But that is what makes us different than the animals, Yet ALL Still sinners! "Falling Short of the Glory of GOD."!

Again sorry about your father, and yes like ive said Good Stewardship is Key! Especially with our bodies.
I mean look at the Plymouth Plantation... They All came over Strictly for Freedom to Worship JESUS CHRIST how they Knew they should and to Share the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST, as is Stated in the Mayflower Compact. Oh and they brought over the Geneva Bible the Real Bible of Indepedence NOT The Tyrannical king faggot James Version which everyone believes is the Direct Spoken WORD OF GOD! When the KJV was Merely a Plagerism of the Geneva Bible AND it Outlawed the Usage of the Geneva Bible, only allowing the "Authorized" Version.!

But at the same time, having Faith is what this Life is all about. We never know what tomorrow is going to bring, Let Alone Today! But How do you know that Truly Believing and Asking JESUS CHRIST to Heal a body part whether to Move the Disc or to even GROW ANOTHER ARM! How do you know that this can Not happen?!?! Ive heard Personally Tons of Stories of Friends and Family who have Literally been Healed and the Doctors essentially say it as well, and plenty of these stories out there for you to find as well freely on the internet...

But remember we are Merely Dirt and Flesh, Animals... We "of Little Faith"! Remember that Even Peter walked on water... But began to Sink because his Weak Feeble Fleshly mind could Not imagine that he WAS Walking On Water! Just like JESUS CHRIST! "'So immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said to him, (*) O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?' (*) Christ correcteth his fault, and also giveth remedy both at once." Why did you Doubt!?!? And that was Peter one of the Greatest Disciples of JESUS CHRIST! Why did you Doubt!?!?

For Thousands of Years Mothers have been dying in labor... Truly one of the Saddest things on the Planet! I mean your Wife and your Baby Dying! Damn! Breaks me down just thinking about it.! It was only until the past hundred years that we have been able to save both Mother and Child...! Thank GOD! All that means is we Must be Good Stewards of this earth and our Brothers and Sisters and share such Advancements in Medicine.! Which many Great Servants do.!

SWOO I have Got to stop using so many Exclamation marks!

 

[cannakis]

There is definitely a higher life force that separates us from the goddamn animals. Our conscious and higher awareness is your evidence, it's just not so convoluted, twisted and generally FUCKED up as your major religious sects have made it. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church with about 70 people present on a good Sunday and the preacher slinging the "N" word while smoking a cig before and after services "with the rest of the sinners". Couldn't wait to get away from that sad shit, but we are more than this vessel which carries our spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it.

hahaha first of all that shit Cracked me up! I can definitely see that.! Exactly we Are More, and we have Both Spirit and Soul.!

it's also human nature to believe that, along with many other dispositions.
I find it incredibly fascinating to see the tendencies that we all have, human psychology, human sexuality, social experiments, reveal that we are all vastly different, yet tend to do the same shit.
I was raised Baptist as well, went to church three times a week, spent roughly 10-15 hrs a week there, fully aware that it was borderline brainwashing, with an extensive fascination also with science and ancient civilization, it became clear to me at a very young age that religion wasn't something that my brain could possible identify with.
NOW, that being said I totally acknowledge that in many areas religion is a beautiful thing, sadly it's the people that fuck it up, which ironically brings be back to my first point, human nature.... Gather a group of humans together and VERY quickly it changes and morphs into ego battles, and hidden agendas/motives.
Some of the finest people I've ever come across have been religious, conversely some of the most reprehensible people I have know, have also been religious...
BUT, one thing I find funny, the people that are the most open to whatever religion/belief/philosophy you have? Are typically Buddhist/taoist/atheist.
To me, I look at religion like this, it's like sexual preference, you like, and want, what YOU like/want. So go ahead, just DON"T force that on anyone.
And don't fuckin JUDGE anyone. Not saying you are, saying by far, the most judgemental people I've encountered have been Christians in particular.
We could go rounds and rounds on this, and I may be alienating myself (don't really care). I just happened to be passionate about the subject... for personal reasons
The bible and Christian religion has many philosophies I cannot endorse, and I believe fully that if indeed, there was a god, he wouldn't be happy his name was drug through all that, all those lovely biblical parables.... war, genocide, hate, sexism, homophobia, racism...
I mean, would YOU be proud of those things??
I'd be a lil pissed that an evolved primate (approx. 92% chimp DNa) was talkin shit about ME, in MY name, and claiming it the gospel truth (literally)
meh...
anyways, sorry if I offended anyone (cannabis) and sorry for the rant fellas...

Amen! Very well stated! But me just sharing THE TRUTH of JESUS CHRIST is Not me "forcing" it on people, Sharia Law Forces islam on you! And you are right, JESUS CHRIST Says, "Not all who call ME LORD, LORD, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but Only those who do the will of MY FATHER In Heaven. For many will say to ME, 'did we Not cast out demons in YOUR NAME, and perform miracles in YOUR NAME?" And I will say to them, 'Away from you workers of Iniquity for i Never Knew you!"

DAMN! That's intense! So essentially you saying that is Dead on too, because only those who do the Will of HIS FATHER which is to Love God and LOVE OTHERS! Love that's what it's All About. And that's the difference with the True Religion of JESUS CHRIST compared to Catholicism or other Sects, and other Religions, for JESUS CHRIST Taught Mercy and Forgiveness, Love Triumphs All, and to Love and Involve yourself With the "wicked" of world which are usually NOT Wicked! But the ones in religious Authority Usually Are!

You're right HE is Not happy with a Lot of what was done in Ancient Scriptures, but A Lot of that was mere Accounts of History rather than Law, though there was some fucked up laws back in the Torah... But JESUS CHRIST Came and Fulfilled the Law, and we No Longer are subject to it, yet rather to Merely LOVE GOD AND LOVE OTHERS!

Anyways, i tried to keep this as "unrambly" as i could... Peace and Love my fellow Brothers and Sisters! Keep on Keeping on, and remember THE LORD Loves ya, and just wants to be there for you with Every Little Thing!

 

[cannakis]

some muslims just beat a 50yr old man to death because they suspected him of eating beef.
Religion...

Oh and this is not surprising. That is the difference with Islam, Islam IS a Religion of Death. i Can show you a Multitude of Verses where it Specifically talks about Killing the Infidel and the Enemy, and those who Blaspheme mohammad or islam, and even verses to Deceive your Enemy!!! And that is the Current, AFTER JESUS CHRIST Came Died and Rose, "law" of Islam... That's not the Old Ancient Code from Thousands of years ago, Nope just a little Over One Thousand years ago!

But let me give you a taste of what JESUS CHRIST'S Religion is... what HE Says to do to your enemy is... I mean it is kind of mean but HE Says to LOVE YOUR ENEMY!

Our Fore Fathers did this. We actually would Allow Captured Enemy to Sign a Peace treaty saying they would Go Back home to england "where the officers would face Hanging..." and then our Fore Fathers would Give them Back their guns and send them on their way!!! INSANE!!! Talk about a Trust and Reliance in JESUS CHRIST! DIVINE PROVIDENCE!
http://www.wallbuilders.com is the Greatest Resource of Founding Documents which PROVE That our Nation IS WAS a Christian Nation and that MOST Of our Fore Fathers were DEVOTE Servants of JESUS CHRIST!

 

[cannakis]

But... With all of that lets get back to topic...

I tried your method @greasemonkeymann and it Stilled failed!

So I guess this is supposed to be. I will just throw the males in the clone chamber and let them flower completely and save the pollen with foil under each node.

Saving pollen from the best males in little foil packets in freezer. Breeding branches either with a bag or by moving plants out for a day

 

[4ftRoots]

But... With all of that lets get back to topic...

I tried your method @greasemonkeymann and it Stilled failed!

So I guess this is supposed to be. I will just throw the males in the clone chamber and let them flower completely and save the pollen with foil under each node.

Saving pollen from the best males in little foil packets in freezer. Breeding branches either with a bag or by moving plants out for a day

Did you try my method? Take a cutting, cut the biggest angle you can on the stem, And cut any nodes that will be in the cup in water. After that do not cut the clone anymore, not the fan leaves, Nothing! After 12 hours put some aloe on it and back in the cup or into some new soil. I promise you you can do it lol. I just found roots on 1.5 week clones chemdawg.

Switch the water in the cup every other day. If your stems get brown slime they will still root. If this doesn't work I will seriously be impressed with your anti cloning skills.

 

[cannakis]

Did you try my method? Take a cutting, cut the biggest angle you can on the stem, And cut any nodes that will be in the cup in water. After that do not cut the clone anymore, not the fan leaves, Nothing! After 12 hours put some aloe on it and back in the cup or into some new soil. I promise you you can do it lol. I just found roots on 1.5 week clones chemdawg.

Switch the water in the cup every other day. If your stems get brown slime they will still root. If this doesn't work I will seriously be impressed with your anti cloning skills.

Okay I'll try it soon...

So I just got Banned from thcfarmer for Calling out a fucking narc on there! Those fuckin meddling goons over there