Ok so here is the problem I have been having...

[Tink3rFarms]

First let me start out with the stats of this grow.
LIGHTING- 5 2700k cfl (I have 6500 coming any day now)
NUTRIENTS- MG 24/8/16
H20- Tap water ph of 8.4
AGE- 31 days from shell falling off
SOILLESS MIX (EARTHGRO)
STRAIN- unknown bag seed
GROW BOX- 25 1/2" tall by 16" wide by 14 deep


Here is the deal when i first germinate the seeds the seedlings are a dark green color seen here.
Then somewhere in the first week or two they turn a lime green color from the bottom up, then they feel real dry to the touch and look a yellowish tip in the second week as seen here below.
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And now in the fourth week and she has not really improved any but not worsened any either. Taking in consideration that I accidentally put her to close to the light and burning her just a bit, and using 1/4 th to a gallon of water nutrients to early.
I have sense stopped all nutes(none given for over a week) and basically flushing her on 9/28/15. Her new growth looks more perky but still the light green color is there. err.

This is what I am thinking I FINALLY got my hands on some free pool strip test for ph and chlorine. When I tested it, I simply filled a gallon(milk) full of the tap water I normally use. A quick dip in the water and 20 sec later..I have 8.4 ph. (mine as well add the chlorine level is .05). This may be the cause of the lime green color.
I have been doing some deep research on Ph levels and most of the symptoms fairyland is having is due to high alkaline level and not being able to suck up the right about of provided nutrients.

So I was thinking that I would try to use some regular vinegar to lower the levels of alkaline in my water..

Who can tell me the pros and cons to this. Why I should or should not use? Do you agree with my findings?
what is the ratio of vinegar to water do you think I should use? How often to use it? I just watered her on the 28th and have been watering her every 8 days seems. When I fix the ph level should I just go and water her with the ph'd water or wait till next watering day.

Its just weird the last few days her growth has seemed to pick up and her new growth is a little perky but this damn color

 

[Bugeye]

Before you adjust your water ph (not a bad idea anyway) do a quick test to see where it buffers out with your medium. Being soilless it may not.

Put some extra medium in a bowl and soak it with water. Swirl it around for a few seconds, then strain the water out and check the ph. If it is still high you need to bring it down.

You likely are locked out but hard to say if high ph or feeding too heavy too soon. That ph test should make it clearer.

Sorry, I don't know much about lowering ph with vinegar, I'm usually on the low side. Good luck!

Edit - let that water and medium sit for ten minutes before you strain.

 

[Dyster]

Your killing the plants, your smothering them with water, nutrients.
Just leave them alone.
A ph of 8.4 wiill make your plants look like crap and not grow.
Plus all tap water has chlorine some have more then others.
Let your water sit over night open. That will get rid of chlorine.
Buy some bottled water maybe. Some water really is a problem.
But in short, let them be, and you have to get the water ph down to
Low 6. First, then add nukes, then check again.
It is called dialing in your grow, you need to grow and learn.
You need to know your water, you need Ph up and down.
Some herb grows dark green, some herb grows lime green.
Grow little grasshopper and learn.

 

[Bugeye]

Your killing the plants, your smothering them with water, nutrients.
Just leave them alone.
A ph of 8.4 wiill make your plants look like crap and not grow.
Plus all tap water has chlorine some have more then others.
Let your water sit over night open. That will get rid of chlorine.
Buy some bottled water maybe. Some water really is a problem.
But in short, let them be, and you have to get the water ph down to
Low 6. First, then add nukes, then check again.

Point of correction, chlorine levels in tap water will not harm the plant, it is only a concern in organics where it kills microbial good guys.

 

[Dyster]

Point of correction, chlorine levels in tap water will not harm the plant, it is only a concern in organics where it kills microbial good guys.

Why do plants to close to pools die or get burnt.
I use to spray plants and trees, can not tell you how many people put plants to close
To pool and get chlorine baths. They die. Now chlorine levels in tap water is not the same.
But high chlorine levels cause uptake issues I thought any way.

 

[AGardener]

Upper leaves issue is from an Iron deficiency & your lower plant issue is a Nitrogen deficiency.

An Iron deficiency may indicate a pH imbalance, which your pH is 8.4(Way too Alkaline); for this soil grow you are doing you need to drop it to between 5.8-6.5. Because most of the nutrients the plants use are soluble only in a limited range of acidity, from about 5.5 to about 6.5 in mineral soil.

Best of Luck to You

 

[Bugeye]

Why do plants to close to pools die or get burnt.
I use to spray plants and trees, can not tell you how many people put plants to close
To pool and get chlorine baths. They die. Now chlorine levels in tap water is not the same.
But high chlorine levels cause uptake issues I thought any way.

Yes, watering with pool water is different than watering with tap. An order of magnitude difference in chlorine levels for sure.

 

[Tink3rFarms]

Upper leaves issue is from an Iron deficiency & your lower plant issue is a Nitrogen deficiency.

An Iron deficiency may indicate a pH imbalance, which your pH is 8.4(Way too Alkaline); for this soil grow you are doing you need to drop it to between 5.8-6.5. Because most of the nutrients the plants use are soluble only in a limited range of acidity, from about 5.5 to about 6.5 in mineral soil.

Best of Luck to You

I was thinking that the ph of the water is causing a lock out. So I am going to try and test the soil now to see what it reads.. update in a few

 

[AGardener]

Cool, I'll be awaiting

 

[AGardener]

Oh here, I see people are throwing chat about this here and there in this thread so here's the real answer to the argument

Chlorine is added to water systems to kill infectious agents, but when the water is used for irrigation, the chlorine kills some of the beneficial microorganisms in the rhizosphere, the area surrounding the roots. To protect the micro life, remove the chlorine from the water. This can be accomplished by letting the tap water sit for a few days; the Chlorine will evaporate within that time frame.
Chloramine can is also sometimes found in tap water, it can be removed by adding a gram of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) per 75 gallons (285 l) of water. Adding this is safe for both plants and you.
Regimen breakdown:

For every 1.171875 gallons, use 1.5625 mg of ascorbic acid
So basically for every 1 gal use 1.5mgs

 

[Tink3rFarms]

Oh here, I see people are throwing chat about this here and there in this thread so here's the real answer to the argument

Chlorine is added to water systems to kill infectious agents, but when the water is used for irrigation, the chlorine kills some of the beneficial microorganisms in the rhizosphere, the area surrounding the roots. To protect the micro life, remove the chlorine from the water. This can be accomplished by letting the tap water sit for a few days; the Chlorine will evaporate within that time frame.
Chloramine can is also sometimes found in tap water, it can be removed by adding a gram of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) per 75 gallons (285 l) of water. Adding this is safe for both plants and you.

love the info.. but i have to say who has a 75 gallon containers just sittin around lol.. ok I am medicated work with me. cant we use small measurements?? everything i read is using huge measurements.

 

[*BUDS]

Why do plants to close to pools die or get burnt.
I use to spray plants and trees, can not tell you how many people put plants to close
To pool and get chlorine baths. They die. Now chlorine levels in tap water is not the same.
But high chlorine levels cause uptake issues I thought any way.

There is no where near enough chlorine in the town water to affect a plant in anyway.

 

[Tink3rFarms]

Cool, I'll be awaiting

Ok so I took some dirt from my pot added the same h2o that i would normally would in a recycled dish soop bottle shook it up for 2 min then let it set for 15 min and this is what I have.
in my opinion it is between 7.4 and 8.4 now intresting when I did it the first with just h20 the result was 8.4

 

[Dyster]

There is no where near enough chlorine in the town water to affect a plant in anyway.

Ok

There is no where near enough chlorine in the town water to affect a plant in anyway.

ok good enough, but sometimes people have bad tap water and do Not Use it.
That's kind of what I was trying to say. A lot of different minerals, chlorine
Etc. Most of the time it is fine but not always. I mean you should really
Know the PPM,s of your water too. Can be higher then you think in some places.

 

[Tink3rFarms]

Ok

ok good enough, but sometimes people have bad tap water and do Not Use it.
That's kind of what I was trying to say. A lot of different minerals, chlorine
Etc. Most of the time it is fine but not always. I mean you should really
Know the PPM,s of your water too. Can be higher then you think in some places.

What are ppms

 

[Tink3rFarms]

How do i test that let me guess another gadget

 

[Tink3rFarms]

This is her like 20 minutes ago
see the bottom leaves are now looking yellow well they were once the color of the top about a week ago.

 

[Dyster]

How do i test that let me guess another gadget

Ha ha yep you got it, chlorine is really never much of a issue like everybody is saying. But us old timers let our water sit over night to get rid of the chlorine
Smell. Ppm measures the strength Of your food mix not that important
With soil grows, but in hydro you can effect your plants faster with too much food.
You can just be careful and feed less then they say.

 

[AGardener]

love the info.. but i have to say who has a 75 gallon containers just sittin around lol.. ok I am medicated work with me. cant we use small measurements?? everything i read is using huge measurements.

There is no where near enough chlorine in the town water to affect a plant in anyway.

I may have misunderstood and thought someone said they were watering with pool water .
oops.
But my posts are facts, could be at least used for future references. dang my too quick reading while sleepy

 

[AGardener]

ppm stands for parts per million, ppm meters are a luxury not an absolute necessity so don't worry about it, I was just curious for evaluation purposes




I don't want you to forget this:

Your current issue you can quickly resolve and should, if i need to ill explain what each of these deficiencies are so important to the plant: (just ask if you'd like to know)


Your Upper leaves issue is from an Iron deficiency & your lower plant issue is a Nitrogen deficiency.

An Iron deficiency may indicate a pH imbalance, which your pH is 8.4(Way too Alkaline); for this soil grow you are doing you need to drop it to between 5.8-6.5. Because most of the nutrients the plants use are soluble only in a limited range of acidity, from about 5.5 to about 6.5 in mineral soil.