help me help a friend help the world

[mstrpkl]

I know someone who wants to start a legal medicinal cultivation in Arizona, but needs more specific information as to how to go about doing this. So far, as we understand it, its ok to grow up to 12 plants (6 in veg and 6 in flower) in a household per qualifying patient as long as: A) the house they live in is 25 miles "as the crow flies" away from the nearest medical marijuana dispensary; or B) the person cultivating is a registered caregiver of a patient(s) who lives 25 miles "as the crow flies" from the nearest medical marijuana dispensary. You can also cultivate in your dispensary but im not talking about someone who has the kind of money needed to start up and run a dispensary.
Easy enough, right? Well, sadly, its not quite that easy. Which is why help is needed. Does anyone have any clear answers to these questions, and would you please share any info with me that you can to help find a LEGAL way (according to state laws, at least) to do this and make a living off of it? Being rich isn't a concern, its more about a refusal to be forced into the lifestyle that doesn't let one sit down and rest and think about life, have a creative way to help people who need it, raise a family the way they want to, or work at a place they only slightly care for because it provides them with a paycheck.

1) Can the amount of plants allowed to be grown in the house "stack" with more patients living there? (if 1 patient can grow 12 plants, can 3 grow 36)

2) Each patient can only legally hold up to 2 1/2 ounces at a time, but when growing 12 plants its almost guaranteed that the patient will exceed this amount quickly. Does growing the plants have any effect on this number?

3) Can the patient sell his/her product to dispensaries in the same state? Are there any additional licenses required to do this?

4) Can the patient transport all of his/her product to be sold at once, or does this require some form of special license?

5) Cost of living is going to be an issue, so would someone even be able to make a stable living off of cultivating roughly 8-12 cannabis plants and selling the product dispensaries? (8-12 may increase over time, but I don't feel like its an issue after that many plants)

I appreciate any answers given,
HAPPY TOKING

 

[wiethe20]

OK so I'm not giving you the answer because it seems you have done ZERO research...you know why I say that? I went to Google....typed in Arizona medicinal laws....the 1st page answered your questions ...just because it's what you WANT to do, doesn't mean it's a GOOD idea

 

[Bugeye]

Your friend is smart to get his advice free from an internet pot forum using you as the fall guy. I think he will do well and on behalf of the world I would like to say thank you for his help.

 

[mstrpkl]

Wow, didn't think I was gonna get shit for asking some questions. You know whats hilarious though, is that http://azmarijuana.com/links/legal/ is not a source of clear answers.

The entire law does not have a single clear answer for my first, third, or fifth questions.

As for my second and fourth questions...

"1. “ALLOWABLE AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA”
(a) WITH RESPECT TO A QUALIFYING PATIENT, THE “ALLOWABLE AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA” MEANS:
(i) TWO-AND-ONE-HALF OUNCES OF USABLE MARIJUANA; AND
(ii) IF THE QUALIFYING PATIENT’S REGISTRY IDENTIFICATION CARD STATES THAT THE QUALIFYING PATIENT IS AUTHORIZED TO CULTIVATE MARIJUANA, TWELVE MARIJUANA PLANTS CONTAINED IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED FACILITY EXCEPT THAT THE PLANTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED FACILITY IF THE PLANTS ARE BEING TRANSPORTED BECAUSE THE QUALIFYING PATIENT IS MOVING."

"(c) MARIJUANA THAT IS INCIDENTAL TO MEDICAL USE, BUT IS NOT USABLE MARIJUANA AS DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER, SHALL NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD A QUALIFYING PATIENT’S OR DESIGNATED CAREGIVER’S ALLOWABLE AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA"

"15. “USABLE MARIJUANA” MEANS THE DRIED FLOWERS OF THE MARIJUANA PLANT, AND ANY MIXTURE OR PREPARATION THEREOF, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SEEDS, STALKS AND ROOTS OF THE PLANT AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WEIGHT OF ANY NON-MARIJUANA INGREDIENTS COMBINED WITH MARIJUANA AND PREPARED FOR CONSUMPTION AS FOOD OR DRINK."

These are the three most relevant parts of the law to those questions. I don't see a clear answer to my questions though, do you? If someone can only transport 2 1/2 ounces of "usable marijuana" at a time, how do people sell larger quantities to dispensaries? How do dispensaries trade their product with each other without wasting a bunch of money on gas making trip after trip after trip dropping off and picking up 2 1/2 ounces at a time?

I have done my research, way beyond just looking at the law, and yet I still cant find the answers to these questions. So, I decided, on my own, without anyone asking me, to find another way to look around the internet and try to find some answers. I figured maybe an internet forum about cultivating cannabis would be a great place to find some answers, considering theres people with experience who visit these sites, but all I found so far is smartass people trying to be funny/clever on the internet. My questions were pertaining to the grey areas of the law that are not specified in any way. I have even asked the person who registers people for medical cards, and that person asked the EXACT same questions as me.

If anyone finds answers that I may have missed while reading through the first site on the first page of the first search, please let me know. But I have read through that site so many times BEFORE I used this site that it gives me a headache to read through it again. Thank god/allah/mothernature/whoeverrunsthisplace/humaningenuity/noone I can

 

[sunni]

i think your friend should just do his own research

no friend is that invested in someone elses paying job unless they gettin somethin'

i think what users are trying to tell you is that were not here to service you and bow down to research for you, especially if its easily found on the web .

 

[mstrpkl]

Nobody said you're my servants and to bow down and do this..... I didn't realize asking questions suddenly became a demand to people. How hard would it have been to just copy and paste a relevant site to this thread and move on with life? Instead of something as simple as that, people would rather get irritated at the fact that I would ask five questions and take time out of their day to type out some smartass reply... Maybe I also have an interest in this and wanna see if it works for someone else before jumping into it myself? Maybe I have my medical card and can get fresh flower from him for free? Maybe everyone should stop over-analyzing MY situation, and instead use that ability to over-analyze on the questions at hand.

Not trying to be a dick or sound like I'm attacking anyone but come on people..... I wouldn't be bothering with typing all this shit out on a forum if the answers to my questions were right in front of my face. Arizona medical laws are full of grey area, so that's why I'm asking on here.

 

[farmasensist]

Just grow as much as you want and don't tell anyone. You are more likely to get busted trying to transparently follow the law than you are if you just ignore the law and keep quiet.

Marijuana prohibition is unconstitutional. You have a right, no you have the responsibility to violate this law until it is fully repealed.

 

[mstrpkl]

Certain questions would still need to be answered though. Like how to go about selling product to a dispensary. Obviously that would be more of a question for dispensary agents, but maybe theres some one with some experience with that on this site who can answer me before I make my next trip to my local dispensary.

Also, if you ever get anyone to define "life", "liberty", and "the pursuit of happiness" as 3 separate terms, you can get them to indirectly say murder is ok. Laws are pieces of paper with specific morals written down that can be interpreted differently by every person in the world, so why exactly should we be forced to follow them? O that's right, cuz if we don't some assholes with guns will come kidnap us and stick us in a box for a set amount of time if we don't listen cuz some other asshole in an imaginary position "above" them told them to....

 

[Indacouch]

No matter what you decide or figure out ......just remember this is not a get rich quick type of thing ........also rather you and whoever decide to go forward with this. Just remember people who need good quality medicine for different serious health issues and they deserve the best that's out there IMO....reason I say this is because in my experience the people who are looking to get rich or make money at all from the beginning don't care much at all about quality and that's unfair to the people who need the meds .......and another thing if you grow good cannabas it will speak for itself most growers who supply good quality herb had people come to them and there the same people who have grown for many years even going to jail to pave the way for even my generation of growers .......point being before you decide to make a career out of growing just remember quality is super important and if your not growing top shelf consistently for years by now Do patients a favor and don't try to flood the market while your learning something that takes years to get to the level your trying to get to overnight ........peace

 

[mstrpkl]

This is in NO way a get rich thing. If getting rich is a side effect of this idea, then so be it, but that is in no way the objective here. I showed my friend this video, and this is what made him want to do this so badly.

I have grown before, I have a small amount of experience, but my friend on the other hand has never grown and has no experience. Whether or not my friend is moving out with experienced growers is not my business to tell the world. But either way, nobody I know has sold to a dispensary so we have no clear answers about it.

Seizures like that don't stop from low grade flower, so theres no need to worry about more shitbud flooding the market. The goal is to cultivate cannabis as scientifically perfect as humanly possible, to the point where the conditions needed to produce certain effects are very well documented and can be used to produce more CBD/THC/CBN/THCV or any other cannabinoid required to alleviate the symptoms of some pretty fucked up diseases.

 

[Indacouch]

Well that's my biggest concern in anybody wanting to start out with making money on there mind .......and trust me I know the severity of cannabas and people who have seizures ......I have a family member with a debilitating disease that causes seizures that up til now only good cannabis can stop and give a quality of life to her ........all my gardens go to her and people in the same situation ......that's why I stress the fact that wanting to make money isn't what you or your friend should be worried about .......think long and hard about what you guys are doing cause in the end not doing it at all may be the best for those patients you say you care about so much .......instead of making a little money That's all.

 

[mstrpkl]

The only reason money is an issue is because my friend wants to make just enough money to pay the mortgage on the house they want (roughly $1000-$1200 a month). That's the monetary goal. The life goal is to do what they wanna do for a living, and live where and how they wanna live, while also helping provide people of all types obtain whatever medicine they need that is produced using these methods. If this was about money, there would be no point in going through the dispensaries lol might as well just be "illegal" if its about the money, or wait until Arizona legalizes recreational use, which I feel like is going to happen within the next 2-4 years. Hopefully sooner

 

[HookahsGarden]

I like how people just decide they are going to move somewhere legal and fall right into a compassionate medical scene and pay that mortgage along the way.

 

[sunni]

I like how people just decide they are going to move somewhere legal and fall right into a compassionate medical scene and pay that mortgage along the way.

ya its a pretty big pipe dream, you gotta follow lots of laws and be really producing top notch quality shit inorder to be selling to dispensaries

 

[mstrpkl]

Sunni, maybe you know, what are the laws? Define "top notch quality shit". Who tests it for top notch quality? Have you sold to a dispensary before?

 

[sunni]

Sunni, maybe you know, what are the laws? Define "top notch quality shit". Who tests it for top notch quality? Have you sold to a dispensary before?

no but i read just about everything on this website theres like hundreds of threads on selling to dispensaries use the search bar

i aint here to spoon feed you mate, use the search bar

 

[mstrpkl]

See, instead of sitting here saying shit about spoon feeding and bowing down and all this other stupid shit, why not just say what you just said and leave it at that? Its so easy, I promise it wont hurt to just say something to point someone in the right direction.

 

[sunni]

using the search bar? you had to be told to do that?

you were told by other members to do your own research, thats what they told you, instead you complained when they told you to do so
so i told you were not here to spoon feed you information easily found

now youre saying well why didnt you say that in the first place

we did. lol

 

[mstrpkl]

I'm not here to argue with people, so I'm done replying to anyone without an answer to my questions after this....

I wasnt complaining that people told me to do research, which I had already done fuckin 10000 times, I was complaining that ignorant people came on here to do nothing more than talk shit about a situation they had no business opening their ignorant mouths about when the topic of the thread was the questions asked. If you know of where the answers are, then why bother typing anything out on this thread that isn't a link to the answers? Wouldn't your life be easier if you didn't bother with something like this? Why do people feel the impulse on the internet to be smartasses when they really just don't have an answer?

Going through this site in the search bar, I haven't found a damn thing about selling to dispensaries. Havent searched for much longer than an hour now, but so far theres nothing even close. Its all about how Obama sucks, or how pot SHOULD be legal, or why rand paul is on some dudes shit list, or what might happen to the economy if pot was taxed, or how to grow it, or when to harvest, or which grows have been recently busted, but not a single thread on how to legally sell it to a dispensary, shit THIS thread has even popped up a bunch of times. Nothing providing any answers to the questions I asked. Even on the thread labeled "Arizona growers thread".

Sorry if I seem a little pissed off but this is the exact reason I stopped going on facebook and any other social media. People always seem to think they have a slightly more clever thing to say and it fuckin pushes me over the edge. I'm glad most people aren't like that in person.

Anyways.....

 

[Bugeye]

You said you appreciated any answers and now you've hurt my feelings. You are a mean person.