Feminized vs Regular seeds

[chuck estevez]

Utter shit far more likely to have problems with fem seeds then you are regular has long has there of a good breeder,
you not from london mate are ya west ham because you seem to be blowing bubbles,no way could you keep a fem mother for cloneing long term,it will throw you eggs at some point

If you have been growing long term then i really do not get how you can give some one who is wanting advice on something,you are giveing them advice that is not true,regular seeds will all ways be far superior then fem,Come on dude you are a well known member and you are saying fem seeds are has stable has regular no way ho zay.

Fem seeds do have there place in growing i am not saying they don't but just not in mine,all so i think that new growers will learn far more from growing with reg seeds sexing them,and the keeping of strains[LONG TERM]

Who the hell are you buying your regular seeds of,if you are getting has many problems with regular seeds has you are fem,then hate to say it dude but it aint the seeds has long has there of a good breeder,it far more likely something your doing,stressing them out or something along that line.

Im not saying that regular seeds can not hermi on you because they can,but only if there either not a good cross or something has happened in the grow room temp flux ,nute flux cold or too hot just plain simple stress but has to be far more stress,to turn a reg then it is to turn a fem,

TGA,SUBCOOL?

 

[Dr. Who]

it's a good thing RIU has a hand full of dip-shits that sit on the misinformed side of the fence spewing their flawed facts to justify their blemished position....as these boneheads do provide a level of entertainment with their humorous statements which of course results in others informing them how stupid they really are, which results in more ridicules counter statements that essentially results with the said dip-shits digging a deeper hole.

fem's may not be everybody's cup of tea, but they do serve a purpose, as do auto's

anyhow, below is a pic of an auto-fem that became male....how the hell does this happen?

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Because "FEMs" are NOT a guarantee of "100%" female!

But I bet you knew that!

Doc

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[tyke1973]

It's where it all started,then you been doing this for has long has I have,it was all about growing regs and keeping the females .but like I say long before Sites like this was even around.and not many had the net,never mind fem seeds

 

[Dr. Who]

Just curious Doc but why would an S2 have more problems? Could you explain that in a bit more detail?

Simply put, The more you "self". The more any problem or recessed trait will have the chance to "surface".

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[tyke1973]

I was a big fan of tga,and still am but it seems since he has been doing his shit on you tube,it's gone to his head.i watched the talk he did other day on you tube,and to be honest I wish he would have give the other two a chance to say there bit.the strains he does are good very high quality but,there are far better out there.would have been nice to hear more from dj short,also what really pissed me of about them is what the camera dude filming at mendo said about greenhouse seeds strain hunters,green house seeds have done more for indoor growing then tha have,so far that is.you can not dis arjon even though he also loves him self,come on he was the one that first bred white widow

 

[tyke1973]

My genetics get better with age,my point is this,this could go on and on and on .so I put it simply ,regular seeds are far more stable then fem seeds fact,you can not keep a fem mother for no where near has long has a true female .no matter how good the fem breeder is there is far more chance of the fem seeds turning on you and giving you seeds.ask any top grower and they will all say the same regs are far better for long term use,keeping that strain around.im bored now,so think what you want it's your choice fem seeds are OK for one use then back to seeds straight after.rather than clones,answer me this if fem seeds are so better why don't all the big out door growers use them and the big indoor permit holders,some might but none I know do

 

[Budley Doright]

I hope your wrong lol. I just paid a lot for 6 supposedly S1's and was really hoping to keep them going by cloning, but now I'm thinking of selfing one plant from the first clones of the nicest pheno and hopefully that will keep me into stable seeds for a few years. Perhaps I'll try a few regs outdoors next summer to get clones. Just trying to find one that actually wows me lol.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Mebby this will help.. or confuse Im not a genetic breeding wizzard..

S1, (selfed) or Regular seeds should have a specific purpose.

Cannabis can be manipulated to influence traits for example:

-Female to male ratio of seeds can be increased with specific environmental conditions, more blues, high nitrogen, cool temps.
-A female regular or feminized can be intentionally stressed or accidentally stressed to show hermaphrodite traits. A plant could have monocoecious traits.. in a "regular" pack. There is a genetic test for this.
-We can manipulate hormones to force traits either way via supression of ethelyene with collodial silver to force male herm traits for selfing in a female.
-We can also use ethyelene to stop herm traits by treating it with products like Dutch Master Reverse or Optic Foliar Switch.

S1 (selfed) are not perfect either.

-Selfed seeds DO show some phenotype varation, it is limited, however the generation of S1 seeds should not show a significant population of hermies, but repeated selfing would increase the frequency of herms.

Soo... It depends on your goal. S1 Seed Criteria:

-Need the most females possible for production or limited grow area, S1's seem to work, I've used them before without any need for sprays to supress nanners. Any herms that show should be culled.
-I have some "elite" cuts.. I'm selfing them for phenotype preservation and eventual outcrossing.
-You dont give a fuck about breeding, you just want fems for flowers.. S1's will work for you.

Regular Seed Criteria: F1,F2.

-You're looking for a stud or phenotype variety to breed with.
-You dont want herm traits on a line you know to have problems.
-You dont like the cost of femmed lines.
-You dont mind pheno fishing,

Its how I see things. I might be wrong...

 

[Budley Doright]

I have not had more than two plants herm doing countless femmed seeds so am skepticle of femmed seeds being more prone to do that.

 

[Budley Doright]

Simply put, The more you "self". The more any problem or recessed trait will have the chance to "surface".

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Would you still have issues like that if using the next generation of regs? For instance if you grew out the seeds from a reg male and female and bred them would more less desirable traits start to show? Is it better to back cross with the original father or a clone of it? And what if you hit the original female with 2nd generation pollen. Wow pretty cool this breeding lol.

 

[Gquebed]

TGA,SUBCOOL?

TGA,SUBCOOL?
Gquebed said:
And for the record. I never once said that femmed seeds are gentically modified
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Gquebed said:

Ummm....fem seeds is pretty much the basic definition genetically modifying.... thats where it all started...


And there you go again proving that you are illiterate. Where in any of that does it say a femmed seed is genetically modified?

I said that's where GM pretty much started. When people first figured out seeds could be manipulated, long long ago, it started an explosion of botanical experiments, which led directly to rudimentary GM in a very short time. You could read all about it if you knew how to read.

In an infantile effort to show that I contradicted myself you have made yourself look rather stupid. Again. (You actually took the challenge I gave to another person here and read through all my posts in this thread!!?? That's creepy. That and you going to read through my posts on my page to dig shit up???).

You keep reaching for shit... and reaching so far that you keep falling off the ladder... The funny part is that the stuff you're reaching for just isn't there.

You need to read a little bit. Improve your language skills. And you need to let go of whatever it is that is making you obsessively try to ridicule me. It's really sad that you're so stuck on that....

...but what is sadder still is that just like a "mean girl" you need to get you online pals going too by tagging them???? Hoping they will jump in.... or at least "LIKE" your posts? Truly pathetic...

Move on little, mean girl and go obsess about something else.



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[Budley Doright]

Oh god really, give up, its over!!! You said what you said and thats that. You can spin it any way you like. Yes pathetic!

 

[Gquebed]

Oh god really, give up, its over!!! You said what you said and thats that. You can spin it any way you like. Yes pathetic!

Im not the one spinning it. I said what i said. Plain as day. He wants to spin it for his purpose, which has to do with some vendetta he has for me. Its not the first thread...

 

[Dr. Who]

I was a big fan of tga,and still am but it seems since he has been doing his shit on you tube,it's gone to his head.i watched the talk he did other day on you tube,and to be honest I wish he would have give the other two a chance to say there bit.the strains he does are good very high quality but,there are far better out there.would have been nice to hear more from dj short,also what really pissed me of about them is what the camera dude filming at mendo said about greenhouse seeds strain hunters,green house seeds have done more for indoor growing then tha have,so far that is.you can not dis arjon even though he also loves him self,come on he was the one that first bred white widow

Arjon is, well, Ok but, wasn't it Shantibaba (Mr nice seeds now) that did most of the breeding while he was there?

 

[chuck estevez]

Im not the one spinning it. I said what i said. Plain as day. He wants to spin it for his purpose, which has to do with some vendetta he has for me. Its not the first thread...

LOL, I only posted your words, How did I spin it??

 

[Dr. Who]

Would you still have issues like that if using the next generation of regs? For instance if you grew out the seeds from a reg male and female and bred them would more less desirable traits start to show? Is it better to back cross with the original father or a clone of it? And what if you hit the original female with 2nd generation pollen. Wow pretty cool this breeding lol.

1: yes
2: (P1xP1=F1 F1xF1=F2 F2xF2=F3) F1's are very consistent........ F2 have the most variation.
3: original.
4: When you breed a F1 parent to a later F#. All you are doing is adding more genetic material of the F1

Doc

 

[Budley Doright]

I guess more reading is in order lol. I always thought that back crossing limited pheno's. Really interesting stuff!!!

 

[Dr. Who]

I guess more reading is in order lol. I always thought that back crossing limited pheno's. Really interesting stuff!!!

Now I'll screw with your head..

Some say that when you Back cross (F1xP1) you get an F2 class plant.....I disagree! I do not see the variation as you would with a "traditional" F2 on the same scale....

Doc

 

[Budley Doright]

Ok Doc stop screwing with my head lol. This will be the first time I've really ran two distinct rooms so I may dabble but I guess really, to get a completely new strain that is stable it could take many generations if crossing and back crossing. Not sure if I'm that devoted lol. Besides I shut everything down in the hotter months due to the influx if tourists and the heat, head to the swamp for outdoor stuff.

 

[The Nine]

Maybe maybe not.

That doesnt mean they werent poisend by it.

Shit...many organisms including people can survive a certain amount of radiation. They even use it to fight cancer. But that doesnt mean its good for you or at least not harmful.

Try again.

I read that no known virus, pathogen or harmful fungi can survive more the 8 minutes exposure to colloidal silver.
I have used it on my self in the past, it cured my bleeding gums years back.