Hot Diggity Sog
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4 inch pvc. Spaced 8 inches apart and the rows are 16 inches apart.
12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains
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Hot Diggity Sog
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I'm definitely going to spend time removing the crap secondary branches this time and just go for the colas!
Hot Diggity Sog
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The reflectix that you see is temporary. In the next week I'll be setting it up a little more proper.
Ya know, like you said last time, the plants tended to grow straight up without much lean towards the light. I don't have any trellis plans though. I reduced the diameter of the octagon hoping that most of the plants will end up in the sweet spot. If we ignore what the C99's did, the average plant extended 12 inches inward on average. With a 60 inch inner diameter, this is going to put the bulbs around 18 inches from the plants (a little less counting the thickness of the bulb). We'll see how it plays out I guess.
Alaric
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The main reason I'm suggesting a trellis is for space----imagine if the plants were trained outward toward the light (starting now)----then let then grow straight up. I know a pretty cheap way to do that and not too much effort (if interested). What I have in mind would like a scorg grow except with multiple tiers of plants like you have.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought to myself----- "We'll see how it plays out I guess."
A~~~
I can't tell you how many times I've thought to myself----- "We'll see how it plays out I guess."
A~~~
Hot Diggity Sog
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Of course man...what are you thinking?
TheChemist77
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i really like it,,very creative,,good use of space..
i agree with you, on what you stated, but it doesn't apply in a bare vert grow.
Mohican
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Did you see the system @whodatnation created with the light mover and a pulley? His light moves up and down to give better coverage to all levels.
Sexologist420
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Holy fucking shit man! This journal should be inducted into the RIU Hall of Fame! Just read all 87 pages this last week a few pages at a time. Crazy cool seeing your evolution. Im organic soil 100% so hydro isn't my thing but I still learned a shitload and its cool. Hydro will never touch soil for quality but for quantity and efficiency, hydro is king. Although reading through this inspired me to try something I think. Idk if ittl work. Prolly not but would be badass if it did. I think imma try a single 3 gal dwc next run
Using ACT. Would have to change it every couple days but if it workex it would be true organic hydro and I would imagine the quality would be compareable to living soil organic with benifits of hydro. Plus every rez change would be good microbes to throw on garden outside. Yep...I think imma try it when I'm done with current run cuz tent is full. Thank you for all your valuable info. And to Sativied, mo, A~ and others who contributed. Great Shit man. Your officially inducted to RIU HOF!
Using ACT. Would have to change it every couple days but if it workex it would be true organic hydro and I would imagine the quality would be compareable to living soil organic with benifits of hydro. Plus every rez change would be good microbes to throw on garden outside. Yep...I think imma try it when I'm done with current run cuz tent is full. Thank you for all your valuable info. And to Sativied, mo, A~ and others who contributed. Great Shit man. Your officially inducted to RIU HOF!
Sexologist420
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I think ill call it BioPonics if it works. Actually you know what....I got some seeds coming and imma toss a plant I have and do the bioponic experiment in its place cuz hell...every rez change is ACT for my girls so fucking A. Yep. Imma do some reading and planning and make a seperate journal when I start. I love doing random shit that prolly won't work and you inspired ne HDS 
Thank you
Thank you
Hot Diggity Sog
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Very kind words...thank you.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Well, almost as if on cue, that dreaded leaf curl and deficiency/toxicity problem has arrived just like last time. I have gradually been increasing the nutes and it peaked yesterday at 640 PPM's or slightly under 1.0 EC and then it happened. The largest fan leaves on the top started curling under and drooping and the lower smaller leaves started drying out and browning. I'll get some pictures but man...WTF.
I added some fresh water and brought it to 600 PPM. Air temps are 68 to 75. Water temps steady 68-69. The only other things that have changed in the last few days is that I took the 1000 Watt HPS out and put in the two 600 Watters. Running the Solis Tek 600 Watt 6K MH bulbs.
The only left to try is to change my water. I suspected this might be the problem last chapter and never did anything about it....time for action.
I have a well so no city water. PPM's are in the mid to upper 200's...~270 last time I checked.
PH has been very steady at 6.1 and just recently I started bringing it down a tad. From 6.1 to 6.0 a couple days ago and from 6.0 to 5.9 yesterday.
So the time has to come to address my water. I get my water directly from the water tank...it has a garden hose spigot on it. Where the grow room is located, an RO system is simply out of the question. I have no way to deal with the waste water that is produced. So here is what I ended up ordering:
And then I got a variety of filters. The finest of which is 0.6 microns. I'm not expecting 0 PPM but I'm very hopeful for a significant improvement and maybe with a little luck, a solution.
I added some fresh water and brought it to 600 PPM. Air temps are 68 to 75. Water temps steady 68-69. The only other things that have changed in the last few days is that I took the 1000 Watt HPS out and put in the two 600 Watters. Running the Solis Tek 600 Watt 6K MH bulbs.
The only left to try is to change my water. I suspected this might be the problem last chapter and never did anything about it....time for action.
I have a well so no city water. PPM's are in the mid to upper 200's...~270 last time I checked.
PH has been very steady at 6.1 and just recently I started bringing it down a tad. From 6.1 to 6.0 a couple days ago and from 6.0 to 5.9 yesterday.
So the time has to come to address my water. I get my water directly from the water tank...it has a garden hose spigot on it. Where the grow room is located, an RO system is simply out of the question. I have no way to deal with the waste water that is produced. So here is what I ended up ordering:
And then I got a variety of filters. The finest of which is 0.6 microns. I'm not expecting 0 PPM but I'm very hopeful for a significant improvement and maybe with a little luck, a solution.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Chapter 4 Update
Day 36
Things are going very well. I began working with the reflective material...it's still pretty ghetto but it's coming along. I'll be adding covering for the floor and what I'm trying to do for the top is to create something that might resemble a dunce cap...or a cone.
Overall, I am very pleased. The plants can no longer be moved as their roots are now intertwined and quite long. I feel pretty good about the job I did placing the best ones on the bottom, next best on top and the rest in the middle. Compared to last time, the differences between the best ones and the worst ones are not that dramatic. They are responding well to being topped and are starting to grow rapidly.
I've been running (2) 600 Watt metal halides but right after I took these photos I put a HPS in the top bulb and left the MH on the bottom...going for a little bit of mixed spectrum.
Day 36
Things are going very well. I began working with the reflective material...it's still pretty ghetto but it's coming along. I'll be adding covering for the floor and what I'm trying to do for the top is to create something that might resemble a dunce cap...or a cone.
Overall, I am very pleased. The plants can no longer be moved as their roots are now intertwined and quite long. I feel pretty good about the job I did placing the best ones on the bottom, next best on top and the rest in the middle. Compared to last time, the differences between the best ones and the worst ones are not that dramatic. They are responding well to being topped and are starting to grow rapidly.
I've been running (2) 600 Watt metal halides but right after I took these photos I put a HPS in the top bulb and left the MH on the bottom...going for a little bit of mixed spectrum.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Thanks! I really like it. If I can perfect the starting process, a lot of possibilities arise such as:Looks amazing! Like a NASA lab
How do you like the new configuration?
1) Perpetual: New seeds can be started within the same octagon under the same lights up to 4 weeks before harvest. This could shorten grow cycles from 95 days down to 67 days.
2) Possibility of using regular seeds as their sex should/could show prior to entering the octagon.
All in all, this method is just awesome. It is so low maintenance it's just crazy.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Chapter 4 Update
Day 38
Girls are looking great. Some of them are experiencing the droopy leaves and leaf curl under and I took some shots of them. I'd say maybe 20% of them are showing this. At this point my best guess is either too many nutes or perhaps it's just the nature of the beast with RDWC.
They are starting to drink and eat more. PPM's dropped from 590 to 510 over the last 36 hours. Seems that high 500's is about where they want to be. When I got up into the mid 600's is when I first saw the leaf curl.
The additional space they have been given really looks to be paying off. We'll see in the next few weeks.
Day 38
Girls are looking great. Some of them are experiencing the droopy leaves and leaf curl under and I took some shots of them. I'd say maybe 20% of them are showing this. At this point my best guess is either too many nutes or perhaps it's just the nature of the beast with RDWC.
They are starting to drink and eat more. PPM's dropped from 590 to 510 over the last 36 hours. Seems that high 500's is about where they want to be. When I got up into the mid 600's is when I first saw the leaf curl.
The additional space they have been given really looks to be paying off. We'll see in the next few weeks.
Alaric
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My opinion about droopy leaves (based on my observations):
When I first started my "tunnel" configuration (canopy section above the lights)----1st observed the gravity effect on the stems (straight up till bud weight)-----next the fans were not droopy due to some sort of problem, but rather a response of turning more toward the lights-----causing the leaves to "look droopy".
Like to hear from @tyystick and other vertical growers about their observation. I would't be surprised if @Sativied presents some sort of research material about this subject.
A~~~
Alaric
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Hey HDS,
IMO, out designs share the same primary concept------how to get the most plant material exposed to the light/s.
Do you agree?
This is how I handled the plant training----the bottom limbs (in bottom tubes) are trained outward and the upper limbs trained upward-----even though there is three 1ks in that "tunnel"------the effective light from each light is ~600 watt with a hood.
In your case, I suggest trying a screen between the lights and your tubes-----it probably could just be stood up---if not----hung from the ceiling----just make sure your hands/arms will fit through.
Do you know the total yield from last crop?
A~~~
IMO, out designs share the same primary concept------how to get the most plant material exposed to the light/s.
Do you agree?
This is how I handled the plant training----the bottom limbs (in bottom tubes) are trained outward and the upper limbs trained upward-----even though there is three 1ks in that "tunnel"------the effective light from each light is ~600 watt with a hood.
In your case, I suggest trying a screen between the lights and your tubes-----it probably could just be stood up---if not----hung from the ceiling----just make sure your hands/arms will fit through.
Do you know the total yield from last crop?
A~~~
Hot Diggity Sog
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Chapter 4 Update
Day 41
Things are going great still. I still have not changed the reservoir and am going to stick with topping off unless I see any problems. Nutrient strength is being kept between 530 and 560 PPM's and that feels like the sweet spot. PH is unbelievably consistent. I'm getting zero fluctuation which is great in one sense but I actually miss being able to set it to 6.5 and have to drop to mid 5's. Because of this, 5.8 is what I now aim for. Decided to put the other HPS in for now so running (2) HPS.
I'm very happy with the uniformity in the plants. The difference between the most and least advanced is simply not that dramatic. My spacing looks to be excellent at this point as well.
@Alaric - I owe you and others weights and pictures from last chapter which I PROMISE you will get.
Day 41
Things are going great still. I still have not changed the reservoir and am going to stick with topping off unless I see any problems. Nutrient strength is being kept between 530 and 560 PPM's and that feels like the sweet spot. PH is unbelievably consistent. I'm getting zero fluctuation which is great in one sense but I actually miss being able to set it to 6.5 and have to drop to mid 5's. Because of this, 5.8 is what I now aim for. Decided to put the other HPS in for now so running (2) HPS.
I'm very happy with the uniformity in the plants. The difference between the most and least advanced is simply not that dramatic. My spacing looks to be excellent at this point as well.
@Alaric - I owe you and others weights and pictures from last chapter which I PROMISE you will get.
akhiymjames
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Spectacular bro love how everything is so uniform. All the work you've put into this you def deserve for it to kill. Job well done will sit back and watch you grow some major dank 