LED vs HPS

ttystikk

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Bottom line most people will go with the sure winner truly speaking i men you get quality and YIELD with HID mix HID and CMH and look the fuck out mix HID , CMH and plasma holy fucking christ yeah think
Everyone is screaming about efficency , and with that less heat ,, bottom line with all lighting every god dam one of them your going to need exhaust
stick a 600 watt cob unit into a 4 x 4 tent and see what happens with out an exhaust
Anything electronic will produce heat .. end of story
I am curious ttytsk are you using Cob presently ??
whats the cost going to be to change out or do a room 15 x 20 ??? 300 Sq feet
12,000 watt Hid room
cost me 1800 bucks or 12,000 watts @ 2.5 - 3 pounds per 25 Sq foot or under 1 k
What's cob cost 10,000 or more ??? what about LED what would that come around to 20,000 to be compatible but make less yield , Probably ???? Remember environment , and strain, and nutrients dictates quality..
You have any links to some Cob tree grows or anyone pulling 3 pounds under 1 of them i mean tree grows
Everyone talks Efficiency and cost savings like there running some tight ship lol ,, or some corporation trying to shave costs Guess what most of the growers on this site or any other, Are hardy being consistent in there yields .. So WTF at the end of the day everyones goal is to grow there plant as fast as possible and get the biggest yields ..
We see it all the time the HID killer yet is it really the hid killer i mean we can scour the net and see LED and COB are growing and yielding but are they actually beating out HID and statistic's show that there behind in the yield end close but behind
but i really want to see comparison yields same strain same enviroment etc etc and put a end to this cob, led Hid killers
Cause if you think you did good saving 200 bucks on power ??? yet came couple pounds shy in harvest for the difference your going to go out of business
You've made so many false assumptions about me and my approach that I find myself unwilling to respond at all. What's worse is that you've done it before and I did explain- and you either forgot, ignored or didn't believe me. So wait with everyone else for the thread.
 

Darth Vapour

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TSik i am not gunning after you and truthfully speaking people should not believe much on sites like this lots of BS be spewed around ..
LED , Cob is just another fucking light nothing special not one fucking bit about them NOTHING
here week 8 cob how many watt is this unit ??? I am now waiting for my 8 CXB3590 3000k, 185/C700A MW drivers, How many watts lol thats a hid killer with out a doubt you think here T5 HO 432 watts guess how many pounds you like the s in pounds


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a mongo frog

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That's not how stocks work.

If you own 455 shares in cree you must be hurting. The stock has been down for the past year. Last year it was $60 a share. Then they took a dive. Then went back up to 35 when their Taiwanese subsidiary opened. Then took another dive after that.

Cree stock took a dive yesterday. At $24 a share. Cree stock doesn't have any dividend pay outs either.
This guy says I must be hurting. It takes a real ass hole to say shit like that. Leave it to a broke fucker to say shit like this. If your broke be humble about your shit. Please. If that doesn't work step up your gardening game. Lay off the rosin let your brain heel and do a bang up job and on an og. You don't have the balls to hit the stock market like some. Just to let everyone know, Cree inc. will be at 40 per share by this time next year. @hyroot go buy some crees and build a lamp, quite ridding everyones jock with your shit plants. And quit doing that ground cover with those other plants in your soil. Shit aint working. Happy gardening bro!!!!!
 

hyroot

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This guy says I must be hurting. It takes a real ass hole to say shit like that. Leave it to a broke fucker to say shit like this. If your broke be humble about your shit. Please. If that doesn't work step up your gardening game. Lay off the rosin let your brain heel and do a bang up job and on an og. You don't have the balls to hit the stock market like some. Just to let everyone know, Cree inc. will be at 40 per share by this time next year. @hyroot go buy some crees and build a lamp, quite ridding everyones jock with your shit plants. And quit doing that ground cover with those other plants in your soil. Shit aint working. Happy gardening bro!!!!!

Did I hurt your feelings. Did the truth hurt.. Did you have to file for bankruptcy after your loss. Obviously you don't have any shares in cree. Or even do any stock investing or you wouldn't have made such an asinine comment.

Yes if you actually did own that much in cree stock you would be hurting some what. That would have been a loss of $17,000. No possible way you can predict where the stock will be in a year. Sales has no bearing on stock price.

Keep on hating on me. It just shows I'm doing something right.

BTW I started buying shares of stock in the early 90's with Disney being my first stock. I have shares of disney, Microsoft, apple , and nissan and a few medical reasearch companies. I used to have shares in playboy. Sold that recently. I never bought cree they mostly drop. Barley ever go up. They don't have dividend pay outs.

Nissan was my most recent purchase. I bought that when Sebastian Vettle left infiniti redbull for ferrrari. Vettle was also the chief engineer of design and performance for infiniti nissan aside from racing for infiniti redbull. When he left, infiniti / nissan sued Vettle so he wouldn't leave with his designs. Vettle won. Took his designs to Ferrari. I knew then nissan stock would drop. And it did. Tremendously too. Then I bought several shares. 3 months later it tripled.

So unless you know some shit like that about cree. And actuallly research theyre doings then you would make money. I doubt cree will go up. Cree just had a major recall of thousands of lights and paying off law suits from fires started by those same led t8 lights. So their stock will continue to drop.


The cover crops provide nitrogen, mycorrizhae and other fungi and bacteria. Improves cec. Take your head out of your ass you hater.
 
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a mongo frog

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Did I hurt your feelings. Did the truth hurt.. Did you have to file for bankruptcy after your loss. Obviously you don't have any shares in cree. Or even do any stock investing or you wouldn't have made such an asinine comment.

Yes of you actually did own that much in cree atock you would be hurting some what. That would have been a loss of $17,000. No possible way you can predict where the stock will be in a year. Sales has no bearing on stock price.

Keep on hating on me. It just shows I'm doing something right.
You have no idea what your talking about. All you do is run your mouth. How could you actually say a 17,000 dollar loss. Think about what you just said. Really think about. You are not doing anything right. For you to say i don't own cree stock means your lost bro. Something could be tattooed on your forehead from this site and you wouldn't learn a thing. Gardeners like yourself will get no better then you are right now. Your lost in your own garden bro. Please stop trying to be the "guy" bro. Its embarrassing watching you work.
 

Darth Vapour

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problem with shares is if a company opens a secondary share happens is everything get diluted,, While an absolute increase in a company's net income is a welcome sight, investors should be focusing on what each share of their investment is producing. An increase in a company's capital base dilutes the company's earnings because they are spread among a greater number of shareholders/ holders but with secondary share in place .. you can guarntee that shares that my drop will in fact bounce back hard one just has to stay on top right now Mongo shoes in te negative but with the craze on cree 1 - 2 years from now is when he should cash out . and that is where the money will be
 

hyroot

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You have no idea what your talking about. All you do is run your mouth. How could you actually say a 17,000 dollar loss. Think about what you just said. Really think about. You are not doing anything right. For you to say i don't own cree stock means your lost bro. Something could be tattooed on your forehead from this site and you wouldn't learn a thing. Gardeners like yourself will get no better then you are right now. Your lost in your own garden bro. Please stop trying to be the "guy" bro. Its embarrassing watching you work.

455 shares at $60 now at $23 . And they haven't split. The math isn't that hard.

Don't be mad you got called out on bullshit and you now look like a fool as usual. Keep hating. I'm doing something right
 

a mongo frog

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problem with shares is if a company opens a secondary share happens is everything get diluted,, While an absolute increase in a company's net income is a welcome sight, investors should be focusing on what each share of their investment is producing. An increase in a company's capital base dilutes the company's earnings because they are spread among a greater number of shareholders/ holders but with secondary share in place .. you can guarntee that shares that my drop will in fact bounce back hard one just has to stay on top right now Mongo shoes in te negative but with the craze on cree 1 - 2 years from now is when he should cash out . and that is where the money will be
@hyroot doesn't know anything about that. Dudes never had the balls to drop his nuts and live the way he wants to.
 

Darth Vapour

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Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market leader in LED lighting, today announced revenue of $425.5 million for its first quarter of fiscal 2016, ended September 27, 2015. This represents a 1% decrease compared to revenue of $427.7 million reported for the first quarter of fiscal 2015, and an 11% increase compared to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2015. GAAP net loss for the first quarter was $23.6 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, compared to GAAP net income of $11.1 million, or $0.09 per diluted share, for the first quarter of fiscal 2015. On a non-GAAP basis, net income for the first quarter of fiscal 2016 was $22.1 million, or $0.21 per diluted share, compared to non-GAAP net income for the first quarter of fiscal 2015 of $29.6 million, or $0.24 per diluted share. During the first quarter of fiscal 2016, Cree recognized $15.9 million of costs related to the LED business restructuring that was announced on June 24, 2015. The restructuring charges included factory capacity and overhead cost reductions which are included in the GAAP results only.

"Fiscal 2016 is off to a good start, with Q1 revenue and profits above the middle of our targeted range, driven by strong demand for commercial LED lighting and a solid quarter for our LED business,” stated Chuck Swoboda, Cree Chairman and CEO. “We’re confident in our strategy and optimistic about the future, as the commercial lighting business is growing, the LED results recovered nicely in Q1 and Power and RF design momentum is strong.”
 

Michael Huntherz

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Stuff and things rant rant rant
No. There's just so many inaccuracies here I don't feel like bothering, but about half of what you're saying is just false. COBs are expensive, making light with electricity or anything else generates heat. Everything else you're saying is conjecture.

buy low and hope she goes high tech is a tricky market not a good one to go into
There are long-term and short-term strategies, playing the long game with Cree might be smart, the shorter game I don't think is a good idea. Making blanket-statements (generalizations) is your jam, isn't it? I'm a little disappointed. Occasionally I think the war of rhetoric between HID and LED folk is mellowing out, then I see yesterday's posts on RIU, and I join the fray. I don't have the same goals as you folks out to make a buck. I love the plant, I grow for myself, I have to do it stealth-style. I'm not looking for fast turnaround or maxing out yield, but if I was, and growing at a small to medium scale, I'd still be all over the COBs.

"Email is just a fad, it will never replace a handwritten letter." - you, 1995, probably.
 
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hyroot

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Stop being an internet tuff guy. Don't make threats on people like that.

How is that a threat? You have serious reading comprehension issues. Every post you attack me and insult me. You even jump in on my thread from time to time to attack me on a subject thats being discussed among me and others. you obviously have no clue about it when you try to attack.

How am I being an Internet tough guy? By stating facts instead of b s. Like you. And telling you to continue hating on me because it shows how well I'm doing and how jealous you are.

If anyone is trying to be an Internet tough guy , it would be you. If you reread your past few posts you are the one who is attacking. I just called you out on bullshit on lies that's all. Then you attacked me over and over.
 

Darth Vapour

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I look at it this way although 600 watts hid are more efficient watt per watt then a 1000 they do not come close to same yields as 1000's watt gives hahaha everyone is screaming efficiency, Everyone thinks Hid is dead ended one must remember there spending a shit more on research and development then all of LED and cree companies put together and why cause there sales are up one would think they been around the block a lot longer .. an trust me as tech gets better i wouldn't think DE is the end of the line or HID's you be wrong to say the same
I am not here to bash LED or Cob matter of fact i plan on ordering some LED's and give it a go ( not expecting much if anything they will be a good supplemental light inbetween Nano's )
We all know the LED's and Cobs grow an we sure in the hell know that CMH , Hid and plasma grow as well.
When you break it all down even for the small time grower getting into it 700 - 1000 for a real good COB or LED unit is to much
3/4's of growers can not even keep a plant healthy to complete its full cycle let alone worry about lighting its ironic how everyone tends to scream efficiency when in there drive way there a motor home , couple SUV's lol but worried about electrical costs ..
Everyone tends to think cause Hid produces heat that its so in efficient, wht bout this with fresh air coming in @ - 30 temps in winter my fan only kicks in 2 times in 18 hrs i got it dialed in perfect or i pump the hot air in room to heat up other rooms is this not being efficient, there many ways a grower can go for many heat is a good thing for instance my room lights out hits 50 degrees C thats cold there fore heaters are needed and with heaters comes Dehuey, and humidifiers etc etc etc know one has ever said growing weed is cheap , matter of fact its costly
growers today are like social media jumping on every band wagon idea or cult seriously for me high temps is needed for every 5 - 10 degree rise in temps the plants metabolic rate increases what does this mean FAST GROWTH
What makes the plant really tic ?? i know C02 and whats the right temps to keep stomata open ??? higher temps
So where are we at here ???
Again people forgetting basics of plant needs and going after light spectrum and efficiency, You can have the best lights and spectrum known to man and still grow like shit if your not getting 3 - 4 " of growth daily your your missing something
for instance here 100 days @ 3" + of growth a day giving me 11.5 feet tall by 11.5 wide plant just a example ..
Thing to ask is are cob and LED getting that growth ??? same thing should apply indoor 2 - 4 " of growth a day with everything dialed in :) if your not getting that then something is not dialed in
HOTTER temps is needed for fast growth end of story
another one this is not my grow but 5 week veg
Are we seeing this type of grows with LED or Cob ?? i do not see it scouring the net and tube
What i see is extremely small plants grown and flipped to flower And most importantly sure everyone shows the cob or led graphs showing efficiency
But look for true unbiased PAR tests cob vs DE then which i cannot seem to find on the tube
And still waiting or a 5 week vegged Cob or LED grow that plants look like this cause again i cannot seem to find any most of there grows like i said are 12 " plants flipped lol not 5 footer plants with nice buds growing right on bottom of the plant :)med_gallery_11738_4880_31713.jpgIMG2565.jpg gallery_11738_4816_297449.jpg gallery_11738_4816_86453.jpg gallery_11738_4816_339701.jpg
 

Michael Huntherz

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high temps is needed for every 5 - 10 degree rise in temps the plants metabolic rate increases what does this mean FAST GROWTH
What makes the plant really tic ?? i know C02 and whats the right temps to keep stomata open ??? higher temps
So where are we at here ???
Again people forgetting basics of plant needs and going after light spectrum and efficiency, You can have the best lights and spectrum known to man and still grow like shit if your not getting 3 - 4 " of growth daily your your missing something
for instance here 100 days @ 3" + of growth a day giving me 11.5 feet tall by 11.5 wide plant just a example ..
Thing to ask is are cob and LED getting that growth ??? same thing should apply indoor 2 - 4 " of growth a day with everything dialed in :) if your not getting that then something is not dialed in
HOTTER temps is needed for fast growth end of story
Everyone is screaming about efficency , and with that less heat ,, bottom line with all lighting every god dam one of them your going to need exhaust
stick a 600 watt cob unit into a 4 x 4 tent and see what happens with out an exhaust
Anything electronic will produce heat .. end of story
Efficiency isn't necessarily about saving electrical costs. Yes COB gets that kind of growth. Go check out @REALSTYLES @Growmau5 @SupraSPL and @Greengenes707 COB grows on Youtube and their threads here. Never mind, I know you won't. Soon we will be at a point that COB fixtures won't necessarily need outside venting or a fortune in HVAC to keep inside that magical 77-85f temperature range, given favorable conditions in the surrounding space. When I read your posts I see you talking out both sides of your mouth, first saying COB will be too hot, then saying hotter temps are needed for optimal growth. Honestly, I think you just like to read your own posts, which is mysterious to me since you're a shitty writer. Say "Bottom line" or "End of story" again...yeesh.
 
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