abandonconflict
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No thanks, I'm not a fan of extreme right wing propaganda.
"Today capitalism has outlived its usefulness" discuss!
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tangerinegreen555
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Actually, I trusted 'the next guy' more. Kennedy may have been the last guy to tell the Joint Chiefs to fuck off. They all sat around a table telling JFK his only hope was to attack and invade Cuba during the missile crisis. If he would have listened to those jerks, there could have been a nuclear exchange. Fortunately he said no, we're not going to be like Japan at Pearl Harbor.
The high up military people always want to fight...they ARE the leaders of the military industrial complex.
How many presidents since went against the joint chiefs like that? Even Obama, who said while campaigning he would end the 2 wars...and as soon as he got in, the pulled him aside and changed his mind immediately.
We don't know all the behind the scenes stuff...but there are always 2 sides to the story. People like Kennedy and Eisenhower saw the ravages of war up close and personal and knew it was ugly and should be avoided, and did what they could to keep us out of a hot war. The cold war was bad enough.
These modern guys (some of whom were draft evaders) are quick to go bomb out somebody. They would be wise to study history. WW II ended well...every war since has not. Can't these idiots see a pattern there?
Rob Roy
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It's considered by some to be "left" libertarian and I thought an inquisitive lad like you might appreciate some of the perspectives. I'd even help with you some of the complex concepts and big words.
abandonconflict
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Some idiots...
Kevin Carson is an ancap who is desperate to redefine the word capitalism in order to distance himself from the people who were historically laisssez faire proponents. One example would be the guy who coined the oxymoronic term "anarchocapitalism", Murray Rothbard.
Like I said, I'm not interested in extreme right-wing propaganda. I clearly know more about it than you do.
Rob Roy
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Okay, maybe you won't need alot of help with the big words...however your actions run contrary to your "knowledge".
I don't tout people so much as ideas. I think Rothbard had a funny tie.
ASCIIGHOST
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@abandonconflict seems paranoid everythings is propaganda after him. I cannot say I blame him considering his pointless military service, but he would be better served doing some soul searching in how it effected him (convinced its good to murder. wheres that on the left/right spectrum?) or perhaps is still effecting him? (ive seen him tout his military schooling as accomplishments) instead of hunting witches like a crazy person, with the other crazy people.
The reason he has to attack people, all people are flawed. Typical tactic to attack a person not an idea. Its his military indoctrination that he is a flawless individual, that must fight a good, and noble cause. Does he even know who Edward Berneys is, i wonder? If he is so well versed in and able to identify it, he shouldn't even have to Google it. How does he spin the fact that military donated to Ron Paul in 2012 more than any other candidate? Is majority of the military stupid sheep, or the majority of civilians stupid sheep? I just cant figure that one out.
That South Park episode where they illustrate how the white kid, cannot know how it feels to be "black in America" is spot on. Like we're supposed to listen to a white guy, tell us how bad black guys got it? Based on what experience? Watching videos on the Intertoobs? Maybe you're just unproductive because you know that VA check is coming.
Will a civilian who's never been to war please preach to me about the atrocities of war? I'd love to hear how bad it is.
abandonconflict
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TL;DR
Not really interested in the long winded judgments of a whiney skinhead. Maybe you should find something better to do with your life that complain about me on a pot growing forum for several paragraphs.
abandonconflict
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I dismiss people with stupid ideas.
Flaming Pie
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The regulations have so many loop holes.
Corp get lawyers to find them so they don't pay the taxes.
A simpler tax code would fix this. Try excusing not paying taxes when there are no loop holes to excuse it.
Harrekin
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You need to throw the tax code out the window and start again.
I've never seen such a convoluted mess of bullshit in my entire life.
Rob Roy
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Rob Roy
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Okay, I'll address your statement about excuses, loop holes and taxation etc.
First of all an arbitrary and forcibly imposed tax in itself relies upon a rationalization or "excuse" from the person(s) or entities imposing it and enforcing it. It's really a matter of faulty perspective and fails to consider BOTH the means and the end in the evaluation.
Viewing the situation from the assumption that a forcibly imposed tax is automatically valid and then quickly moving onto how to implement it, ignores the means (method) of how taxation is imposed.
First before we talk about the proper amount of theft and how to equalize and balance the inflicted pain amongst the captive tax payers, whoever they might, we should discuss whether or not the means itself is valid. It is not. Thus what follows, the end (theft) is invalid, no matter how it is distributed or implemented.
Ohcrapimdying
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The overthrow of the capitalist system is long overdue. The so-called "good old days" are gone and never coming back. The only class capable of leading humanity forward are the proletariats, but first they must organize. Easier said than done.
Harrekin
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Listen RR, I try to take your side on things but taxes need to be collected to keep shit running...
How much is the subject of a seperate debate, but on the necessity of taxes?
Thats been put to bed long before you and I came about.
abandonconflict
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Oh look, a new member who talks Marxism even before picking an avatar. So believable.
At least post in the grow sections first and fucking pretend to be a troll, right?!
Not GOP
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Capitalisms biggest winner, just gave it the middle finger. Bill Gates says that capitalism cannot save us from climate change. Bill Gates says that socialism is the only thing that can save us.
The world's richest man, Bill Gates, has said that the private sector is too selfish and inefficient to produce effective energy alternatives to fossil fuels. While announcing his plan to spend $2 billion of his own wealth on green energy during an interview with The Atlantic, the Microsoft founder called on fellow billionaires to help make the US fossil-free by 2050 with similar philanthropy.
Bill Gates said "There's no fortune to be made. Even if you have a new energy source that costs the same as today's and emits no CO2, it will be uncertain compared with what's tried-and-true and already operating at unbelievable scale and has gotten through all the regulatory problems. Without a substantial carbon tax, there's no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch.
The world's richest man, Bill Gates, has said that the private sector is too selfish and inefficient to produce effective energy alternatives to fossil fuels. While announcing his plan to spend $2 billion of his own wealth on green energy during an interview with The Atlantic, the Microsoft founder called on fellow billionaires to help make the US fossil-free by 2050 with similar philanthropy.
Bill Gates said "There's no fortune to be made. Even if you have a new energy source that costs the same as today's and emits no CO2, it will be uncertain compared with what's tried-and-true and already operating at unbelievable scale and has gotten through all the regulatory problems. Without a substantial carbon tax, there's no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch.
Ohcrapimdying
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So an avatar makes it okay for me to express an opinion? How silly is that?
Already have, thanks.
abandonconflict
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You tell me, that's not what I said. I'm just seeing if you're a sock puppet or not.
Flaming Pie
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Why do you argue this constantly?
What religion, cult, or drug makes you think a world of people could coexist better without rules and boundaries?
If we were back in the 1700s and we're native Americans or early settlers, then yes, what you talk about would work.
Except they realized with out a middle man roads/railroads/highways would not be built.
Your world ideas will never happen.