mardavarot
Well-Known Member
Only your government wants execute Sadam, no one support this plan.In this situation your government send the message to rest of the world if you not give up, your destiny is like Sadam
Georgia attacks S. Ossetia, Russia prevents genocide
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ZenMaster
Well-Known Member
Wow, the propaganda is pretty thick in Russia. Is this why they tell you we went to Iraq?
ccodiane
New Member
Putin for Prime Minister, 2008! Yeah! I only hope he wins the election!
Russian Succession: Putin Prime Minister, Medvedev President
Russian Succession: Putin Prime Minister, Medvedev President
Dmitry Medvedev's endorsement as a presidential candidate by four pro-Putin political parties and by Vladimir Putin himself ends months of rumors in Moscow. Medvedev's appeal to Putin, asking him to serve as a prime minister after the March presidential elections, confirms not only that Putin will play a pivotal role in Russian politics after he steps down but that he will remain the number one politician in Russia for years to come.
Putin is most likely to be a "super prime minister," with responsibilities over foreign, security, and defense policy. It is possible that after the March elections, Medvedev will transfer control of all or some of these branches to Prime Minister Putin.
Medvedev, a Putin protégé, is perceived as a weak bureaucratic player and will require Prime Minister Putin's support as he consolidates power in the brutal world of Russia's politics and oligarchic struggles. In contrast to Putin and other KGB veterans, Medvedev is soft-spoken and bookish. Having been focused on domestic politics and policy, Medvedev lacks experience in foreign policy and national security and may depend on Putin's advice and support in these areas.
Russian Succession: Putin Prime Minister, Medvedev President
Russian Succession: Putin Prime Minister, Medvedev President
Dmitry Medvedev's endorsement as a presidential candidate by four pro-Putin political parties and by Vladimir Putin himself ends months of rumors in Moscow. Medvedev's appeal to Putin, asking him to serve as a prime minister after the March presidential elections, confirms not only that Putin will play a pivotal role in Russian politics after he steps down but that he will remain the number one politician in Russia for years to come.
Putin is most likely to be a "super prime minister," with responsibilities over foreign, security, and defense policy. It is possible that after the March elections, Medvedev will transfer control of all or some of these branches to Prime Minister Putin.
Medvedev, a Putin protégé, is perceived as a weak bureaucratic player and will require Prime Minister Putin's support as he consolidates power in the brutal world of Russia's politics and oligarchic struggles. In contrast to Putin and other KGB veterans, Medvedev is soft-spoken and bookish. Having been focused on domestic politics and policy, Medvedev lacks experience in foreign policy and national security and may depend on Putin's advice and support in these areas.
mardavarot
Well-Known Member
to ccodiane
No, because you need oil. In this case only one think can give you strong point to invades in Iraq and you know what point, you government is FK up twin towers. Every one know that , but you still think this is for protect democracy and fight against terrorists. DO NOT BE IDIOTS
No, because you need oil. In this case only one think can give you strong point to invades in Iraq and you know what point, you government is FK up twin towers. Every one know that , but you still think this is for protect democracy and fight against terrorists. DO NOT BE IDIOTS
mardavarot
Well-Known Member
to ZenMaster
My friend, as one of you men all ready says (Its on foreign soil so its non of Russia's business) the same think I can tell you, shut the FK up, its our business, it is our choice and we happy) so FK OFF.
P.S. We don't tell you the 2 candidates in president is IDIOTS, in this case do not tell us what is right what is wrong, sort it out inside your country first!
My friend, as one of you men all ready says (Its on foreign soil so its non of Russia's business) the same think I can tell you, shut the FK up, its our business, it is our choice and we happy) so FK OFF.
P.S. We don't tell you the 2 candidates in president is IDIOTS, in this case do not tell us what is right what is wrong, sort it out inside your country first!
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
I'll just let that gibberish speak for itself.My friends, I'm from Russia. This post special for you and rest moral freaks like you. Sorry for my English
You and people like you live in the ZOO, which we call the USA, some people already know that, I'm talking about all this bullshit which your government pushing into your mouth and your ears. Government keep sheeps like you in the farm USA. Do you travel much in the world????? No??!! You will be surprised if you hear all feedbacks special from Europe about your country and government. Simple words they hate your nation ( don't ask me, ask your government).
About all this deal in Georgia. They kill 1648 our citizens in 15 hours in Chinvali, then they call troops to support them, but they ( Georgians) already kill 10 peacekeepers. This MF even kill women and children, old people. People who get shot but can not move they cut they throats, in houses where people hiding in cellars (old people, women, children) they dont waist the time with them, they drop grenade inside. That your DEMOCRACY, your government gave them green light to start all this, they was sure we stay away, BUT plans went wrong, now they make brainwash all people in the world and say Russia is the aggressor.
We saw how NATO sorted out the same problem in Serbia, how they bombed Belgrade with innocent people, and gave KOSOVO status , in my opinion, peoples nation from Kosovo even worse than yours!
So what we have on this moment (you have) you have to work, pay your taxes, and shut the FK up, that is your life. But you call this democracy. Ok, we can accept that.
But do NOT teach us how to live, and keep you opinion for yourself. In this case rest of the world will be happy.
Last beat, in your country not all people sheep like you, and they can see what is going on around them, and try to make changes.
[FONT="]P.S: I wont be surprised if soon your country find out that Iran have super secret nano-mano nuclear technology, and of course you have to attack them to save the world. In that case , next president of US will be McCain 100%, Obama THAT JUST THE COVER, you all must fill you have choice between 2 candidates. In real, you DONT HAVE CHOICE. Pentagon already made choice. So as I say already, you have to work, pay taxes and sit quiet. They need more money for new toys.[/FONT]
mardavarot
Well-Known Member
YEs of course, I'm forgot, you are the sheepI'll just let that gibberish speak for itself.
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
OnSolomonsGrave
Well-Known Member
Anyone who thinks Georgia didn't attack S OSS is an idiot, and an uninformed one at that. Regardless of non hostile provocation, the attack was unwarranted and should have been what was on the news, not Russia defending people they have a signed treaty with. This is the last thing I am saying about this malarky
ccodiane
New Member
Russia Shrugs Off NATO Scolding, Takes Prisoners and Humvees
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5610418&page=1
By JONATHAN KARL and KIRIT RADIA
Aug. 19, 2008
A Western draft of a U.N. Security Council resolution on Georgia calls on Russia to withdraw immediately to pre-conflict lines, according to a text obtained by Reuters today. The draft also calls for the return of Georgian forces to their usual bases, demands full and immediate compliance with the ceasefire and a reference to "the territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders."
Led by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NATO delivered a tough message to Moscow, warning that the Western alliance cannot "continue to do business as usual" with Russia as long as its troops are in the neighboring country of Georgia.
Russia shrugged off the diplomatic scolding and called the Georgian government a "criminal, failed regime." "NATO is trying to make a victim of an aggressor and whitewash a criminal regime, save a collapsing regime and is taking a path to the rearmament of the current leaders in Georgia," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters today.
Lavrov said Russia could pull its troops out of Georgia by this weekend, depending whether Georgian troops returned to their bases.
In an even more blunt response, Russia sent tanks and trucks today into Georgia's port city of Poti, which is key to Georgia's oil shipments. The Russians sealed the port and then towed Georgia's missile boat Dioskuria out of sight. A loud explosion was heard soon after.
When the Russians pulled out of the port several hours later, about 20 blindfolded and handcuffed Georgian soldiers held at gunpoint were riding atop the Russian vehicles.
They also commandeered four American Humvees that had been left from a joint U.S.-Georgia military exercise and were awaiting shipment back to the states.
U.S. military officials said the vehicles were amphibious Humvees. They said it was unclear whether other U.S. equipment, including a few trucks and life support equipment, had also been appropriated by the Russians.
Officially the Pentagon is saying only that it is looking into the reports of the missing Humvees and has not yet demanded that the Russians give them back.
Russia's Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsin said the Humvees were "captured" along with the 20 Georgian troops who were using them.
The Russians have signed a cease-fire agreement in which both sides are to pull back to positions they held before last week's fighting erupted over Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia. Although the fighting stopped nearly a week ago, Russian tanks and troops continue to man roadblocks in central Georgia and maintain control over the key Georgian city of Gori.
NATO concluded its emergency summit in Brussels today by deciding to freeze regular contacts with Moscow until it withdraws its troops from Georgia.
"We have determined that we cannot continue with business as usual," the 26 NATO states said in a joint declaration issued after emergency talks in Brussels.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5610418&page=1
By JONATHAN KARL and KIRIT RADIA
Aug. 19, 2008
A Western draft of a U.N. Security Council resolution on Georgia calls on Russia to withdraw immediately to pre-conflict lines, according to a text obtained by Reuters today. The draft also calls for the return of Georgian forces to their usual bases, demands full and immediate compliance with the ceasefire and a reference to "the territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders."
Led by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NATO delivered a tough message to Moscow, warning that the Western alliance cannot "continue to do business as usual" with Russia as long as its troops are in the neighboring country of Georgia.
Russia shrugged off the diplomatic scolding and called the Georgian government a "criminal, failed regime." "NATO is trying to make a victim of an aggressor and whitewash a criminal regime, save a collapsing regime and is taking a path to the rearmament of the current leaders in Georgia," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters today.
Lavrov said Russia could pull its troops out of Georgia by this weekend, depending whether Georgian troops returned to their bases.
In an even more blunt response, Russia sent tanks and trucks today into Georgia's port city of Poti, which is key to Georgia's oil shipments. The Russians sealed the port and then towed Georgia's missile boat Dioskuria out of sight. A loud explosion was heard soon after.
When the Russians pulled out of the port several hours later, about 20 blindfolded and handcuffed Georgian soldiers held at gunpoint were riding atop the Russian vehicles.
They also commandeered four American Humvees that had been left from a joint U.S.-Georgia military exercise and were awaiting shipment back to the states.
U.S. military officials said the vehicles were amphibious Humvees. They said it was unclear whether other U.S. equipment, including a few trucks and life support equipment, had also been appropriated by the Russians.
Officially the Pentagon is saying only that it is looking into the reports of the missing Humvees and has not yet demanded that the Russians give them back.
Russia's Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsin said the Humvees were "captured" along with the 20 Georgian troops who were using them.
The Russians have signed a cease-fire agreement in which both sides are to pull back to positions they held before last week's fighting erupted over Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia. Although the fighting stopped nearly a week ago, Russian tanks and troops continue to man roadblocks in central Georgia and maintain control over the key Georgian city of Gori.
NATO concluded its emergency summit in Brussels today by deciding to freeze regular contacts with Moscow until it withdraws its troops from Georgia.
"We have determined that we cannot continue with business as usual," the 26 NATO states said in a joint declaration issued after emergency talks in Brussels.
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Sherry
Guest
Why are you posting old news? The election was in March 2008.
Oh, and your source is The Heritage Foundation:
I'm gonna take a wild guess - you watch Fox News.
sherry
Oh, and your source is The Heritage Foundation:
WHERE WE STAND
"The Heritage Foundation is committed to building an America where freedom, opportunity, prosperity and civil society flourish...."
"The Heritage Foundation is committed to building an America where freedom, opportunity, prosperity and civil society flourish...."
I've got nothing against America; like I said in another post, I am a veteran & I served my country for 20 years..
I'm gonna take a wild guess - you watch Fox News.
sherry
S
Sherry
Guest
Georgia: Background
In November 2003 a popular uprising following fraudulent parliamentary elections, which became known as the Rose Revolution, ended in the bloodless ouster of the government of President Eduard Shevardnadze.
Mikheil Saakashvili, leader of the Rose Revolution, was elected president in January 2004 with 96 percent of the vote. He was enormously popular at home and in the West, but faced significant challenges. Conflict in the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia remained frozen, leaving some 220,000-247,000 people internally displaced in Georgia, organized crime had laid waste to the economy, widespread corruption paralyzed state institutions, and unemployment and poor economic conditions drove a large portion of the population to seek employment abroad.
President Saakashvili launched a series of institutional reformsmost notably to overhaul the famously corrupt police and judiciaryand prioritized fighting organized crime. He successfully reasserted control over Adjara, a region of Georgia that had refused to cooperate with the central government.
Parliamentary elections in March 2004 gave Saakahsvilis ruling National Movement party an overwhelming majority in Parliament, and its decisive victory in October 2006 local elections further strengthened the presidents mandate.
In December 2006 the Georgian Parliament amended the constitution to extend the term of the current Parliament and allow for simultaneous presidential and parliamentary elections at the end of 2008. Parliamentary elections were initially scheduled for April 2008, and a presidential election for early 2009. In doing so, the government sought to de-link Georgias election cycle from two external events that it said risked destabilizing the political environment: the March 2008 presidential election in Russia and the impending determination of a final status for Kosovo.
Opposition parties opposed the amendments, claiming that the schedule gave an unfair advantage to the National Movement party.
Georgias political opposition has been weak and fragmented. Some analysts have observed that Saakashvili alienated the opposition and others by constantly rebutting criticism and using his supporters majority in Parliament to dominate politics and reject constructive dialogue and social consensus on reforms.
While it is beyond the scope of this report to enumerate all of the oppositions criticisms of Saakahsvilis government, it is worth noting that the resignation and then arrest of former Defense Minister Irakli Okruashvili, who had been one of Saakashvilis closest associates, served to galvanize it. Okruashvili was arrested on September 27, 2007, two days after making public statements accusing Saakashvili of corruption and claiming that the latter had instructed him to kill Badri Patarkatsishvili, founder and part-owner of Imedi television.
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television: Summary
A few excerpts:
The Opposition Demonstrations
Shortly after Irakli Okruashvilis arrest, 10 opposition parties and movements established the United National Council to coordinate their activities. The council initially issued four main demands to the government, the most important of which was to restore parliamentary elections to their original scheduled date of April 2008.
Other demands included the creation of new local election commissions with representatives from political parties; changing the current majoritarian electoral system; and the release of political prisoners. The opposition also accused Saakashvili of corruption and the use of the police and the judiciary for political purposes.
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television: Summary
(read the entire 2 MB report)
"...................Georgia under President Mikheil Saakashvili has been hailed by Western governments as an example of a successful transition to democracy in the former Soviet Union. However, the fragility of Georgias commitment to human rights and the rule of law was revealed on November 7, 2007, when government forces used violent and excessive force to disperse a series of largely peaceful demonstrations in the capital, Tbilisi. In the course of breaking up the demonstrations law enforcement officers hastily resorted to the use of teargas and rubber bullets. Police and other law enforcement personnel, many of them masked, pursued fleeing demonstrators of all ages, kicking and punching them and striking them with truncheons, wooden poles, and other objects.
Heavily armed special troops raided the private television station Imedi, threatening and ejecting the staff and damaging or destroying much of the stations equipment. Outside the studios, Imedi staff and their supporters found themselves set upon by riot police again using teargas and rubber bullets and pursuing those who fled. Extensive photographic and video evidence captured that day by journalists and others illustrates these incidents........."
"...............At approximately 8:45 p.m., after all demonstrators at Rike had been dispersed, hundreds of special forces troops armed with machine guns and other weapons entered the Imedi television studios, and forced journalists and other staff members to lie on the floor with their hands behind their heads, deliberately intimidating them by pointing guns to their heads and with aggressive language. The government troops forced Imedi off the air, after anchors managed to describe the raid to viewers in the final minutes of broadcasting. Journalists and other staff were forced to leave the studios and troops damaged or destroyed much of the stations equipment. Imedi was founded by Badri Patarkatsishvili, an exiled Georgian businessman, and is partly owned by Rupert Murdochs News Corporation...."
.....The raid on and closure of Imedi television was a violation of Georgias commitments to guaranteeing freedom of expression. The legal basis for the decision to raid and close Imedi has been seriously called into question, and there is evidence to suggest that the legal basis was established after-the-fact and backdated. The governments allegation that a single broadcast by Imedi posed an urgent threat to public security is also questionable and deserves further scrutiny. ................"
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"....It has also been held up as an example of a successful transition to democracy in the former Soviet Union region. As a result, the US and EU have refrained from criticizing Saakashvili in public and from engaging in robust discussion of the countrys human rights problems. They have relied on the Georgian governments repeatedly-stated good intentions and promises of reform, ignoring warning signs that the government was not only failing to live up to the principles of the rule of law and human rights it espoused during the Rose Revolution, but taking many serious steps to undermine these principles. Among them has been the dangerous mix of a quick resort to use of force by law enforcement agents, the willingness at the highest levels of government to condone these actions, often publicly, and a failure to ensure accountability for abuses committed by law enforcement agents....."
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U.S. Navy Ships Head to Georgia
Civil.Ge | U.S. Navy Ships Head to Georgia
USS McFaul (DDG 74). Photo: U.S. Department of Defense
Two U.S. Navy ships, including a guided missile destroyer USS McFaul, and a U.S. Coast Guard cutter are getting underway to transport humanitarian assistance supplies to Georgia, U.S. European Command (EUCOM) said on August 21.
It said USS McFaul (DDG 74) departed from Souda Bay, Crete, on Wednesday and the cutter Dallas (WHEC 716) will depart later this week.
McFaul and Dallas are scheduled to transit into the Black Sea and arrive in Georgia within a week, according to the U.S. European Command.
The announcement comes after it was reported that Turkey gave its go-ahead to sail through its straits into the Black Sea.
The ships will transport thousands of blankets, hygiene items, baby food and infant supplies to save lives and alleviate human suffering, U.S. European Command said.
The Associated Press reported quoting unnamed U.S. official in Turkey that USS Mount Whitney would be among those three vessels expected to arrive in Georgia.
Anatoly Nogovitsin, deputy chief of the general staff of the Russian armed forces, said at a news conference in Moscow on August 21, that the Russias Black Sea fleet continued providing security regime for maritime in the eastern part of the Black Sea.
There is no need to further reinforce it [the fleet], he added.
Meanwhile, a team of U.S. European Command, led by Army Brig. Gen. John Miller, is already in Tbilisi to assess the current humanitarian situation and make recommendations on continued humanitarian support to senior military leadership.
The EUCOM team will conduct a deliberate and focused assessment, encompassing variables such as transportation, infrastructure, manpower and many other life support considerations, the U.S. European Command said.
And on August 21, the head of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock, who is also NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe, also arrived in Tbilisi."
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Here's a little trick, boys and girls - whenever you see the word "Georgians" replace it with "Nazis"
Saakashvili: We Need to Strengthen Defense System
Civil.Ge | Saakashvili: We Need to Strengthen Defense System
Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 21 Aug.'08 / 21:05
The commander of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock (right) and U.S. Army Brig. Gen. John Miller in Tbilisi on August 21. Photo: InterPressNews
President Saakashvili said on August 21, that Georgia was needed help in developing our economy, rebuilding infrastructure and strengthening our defense capacity and security structures.
You know that a group of [U.S.] senators visited Georgia yesterday. They are ready to allocate great funds for strengthening the defense systems of Georgia. We, together with the U.S. command and NATO, are now working over identifying in which direction this strengthening should take place, he said.
Senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham visited Tbilisi on August 20 and held talks with the Georgian leadership.
[We] would like to see the United States provide assistance to the Georgian military self-defense equipment that will help them defend and deter against Russian aggression in the future, he said in Tbilisi.
We asked them [the Georgian authorities] what security needs they had, and they were quite specific and quite defined, he added.
The Georgian officials say anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems were top priority.
President Saakashvili also said on August 21: Georgia needs much more resources, much more assistance. We will become ten fold, hundred fold stronger as a result of this occupation and we will continue our development.
Saakashvili was speaking after meeting with the commander of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock, who is also NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe and Henrietta Holsman Fore, administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).
We will have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror, Gen. Craddock said.
"Let no one have doubts that all my forces, all my financial resources until the last tetri [Georgian monetary unit] will be used to free Georgia of this fascist regime," Giorgi Lomsadze, Georgia Grapples with Restricted News Coverage, EurasiaNet, November 8, 2007,
EurasiaNet Civil Society - Georgia Grapples with Restricted News Coverage
sherry
In November 2003 a popular uprising following fraudulent parliamentary elections, which became known as the Rose Revolution, ended in the bloodless ouster of the government of President Eduard Shevardnadze.
Mikheil Saakashvili, leader of the Rose Revolution, was elected president in January 2004 with 96 percent of the vote. He was enormously popular at home and in the West, but faced significant challenges. Conflict in the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia remained frozen, leaving some 220,000-247,000 people internally displaced in Georgia, organized crime had laid waste to the economy, widespread corruption paralyzed state institutions, and unemployment and poor economic conditions drove a large portion of the population to seek employment abroad.
President Saakashvili launched a series of institutional reformsmost notably to overhaul the famously corrupt police and judiciaryand prioritized fighting organized crime. He successfully reasserted control over Adjara, a region of Georgia that had refused to cooperate with the central government.
Parliamentary elections in March 2004 gave Saakahsvilis ruling National Movement party an overwhelming majority in Parliament, and its decisive victory in October 2006 local elections further strengthened the presidents mandate.
In December 2006 the Georgian Parliament amended the constitution to extend the term of the current Parliament and allow for simultaneous presidential and parliamentary elections at the end of 2008. Parliamentary elections were initially scheduled for April 2008, and a presidential election for early 2009. In doing so, the government sought to de-link Georgias election cycle from two external events that it said risked destabilizing the political environment: the March 2008 presidential election in Russia and the impending determination of a final status for Kosovo.
Opposition parties opposed the amendments, claiming that the schedule gave an unfair advantage to the National Movement party.
Georgias political opposition has been weak and fragmented. Some analysts have observed that Saakashvili alienated the opposition and others by constantly rebutting criticism and using his supporters majority in Parliament to dominate politics and reject constructive dialogue and social consensus on reforms.
While it is beyond the scope of this report to enumerate all of the oppositions criticisms of Saakahsvilis government, it is worth noting that the resignation and then arrest of former Defense Minister Irakli Okruashvili, who had been one of Saakashvilis closest associates, served to galvanize it. Okruashvili was arrested on September 27, 2007, two days after making public statements accusing Saakashvili of corruption and claiming that the latter had instructed him to kill Badri Patarkatsishvili, founder and part-owner of Imedi television.
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television: Summary
A few excerpts:
The Opposition Demonstrations
Shortly after Irakli Okruashvilis arrest, 10 opposition parties and movements established the United National Council to coordinate their activities. The council initially issued four main demands to the government, the most important of which was to restore parliamentary elections to their original scheduled date of April 2008.
Other demands included the creation of new local election commissions with representatives from political parties; changing the current majoritarian electoral system; and the release of political prisoners. The opposition also accused Saakashvili of corruption and the use of the police and the judiciary for political purposes.
Crossing the Line: Georgia's Violent Dispersal of Protestors and Raid on Imedi Television: Summary
(read the entire 2 MB report)
"...................Georgia under President Mikheil Saakashvili has been hailed by Western governments as an example of a successful transition to democracy in the former Soviet Union. However, the fragility of Georgias commitment to human rights and the rule of law was revealed on November 7, 2007, when government forces used violent and excessive force to disperse a series of largely peaceful demonstrations in the capital, Tbilisi. In the course of breaking up the demonstrations law enforcement officers hastily resorted to the use of teargas and rubber bullets. Police and other law enforcement personnel, many of them masked, pursued fleeing demonstrators of all ages, kicking and punching them and striking them with truncheons, wooden poles, and other objects.
Heavily armed special troops raided the private television station Imedi, threatening and ejecting the staff and damaging or destroying much of the stations equipment. Outside the studios, Imedi staff and their supporters found themselves set upon by riot police again using teargas and rubber bullets and pursuing those who fled. Extensive photographic and video evidence captured that day by journalists and others illustrates these incidents........."
"...............At approximately 8:45 p.m., after all demonstrators at Rike had been dispersed, hundreds of special forces troops armed with machine guns and other weapons entered the Imedi television studios, and forced journalists and other staff members to lie on the floor with their hands behind their heads, deliberately intimidating them by pointing guns to their heads and with aggressive language. The government troops forced Imedi off the air, after anchors managed to describe the raid to viewers in the final minutes of broadcasting. Journalists and other staff were forced to leave the studios and troops damaged or destroyed much of the stations equipment. Imedi was founded by Badri Patarkatsishvili, an exiled Georgian businessman, and is partly owned by Rupert Murdochs News Corporation...."
.....The raid on and closure of Imedi television was a violation of Georgias commitments to guaranteeing freedom of expression. The legal basis for the decision to raid and close Imedi has been seriously called into question, and there is evidence to suggest that the legal basis was established after-the-fact and backdated. The governments allegation that a single broadcast by Imedi posed an urgent threat to public security is also questionable and deserves further scrutiny. ................"
*****
"....It has also been held up as an example of a successful transition to democracy in the former Soviet Union region. As a result, the US and EU have refrained from criticizing Saakashvili in public and from engaging in robust discussion of the countrys human rights problems. They have relied on the Georgian governments repeatedly-stated good intentions and promises of reform, ignoring warning signs that the government was not only failing to live up to the principles of the rule of law and human rights it espoused during the Rose Revolution, but taking many serious steps to undermine these principles. Among them has been the dangerous mix of a quick resort to use of force by law enforcement agents, the willingness at the highest levels of government to condone these actions, often publicly, and a failure to ensure accountability for abuses committed by law enforcement agents....."
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U.S. Navy Ships Head to Georgia
Civil.Ge | U.S. Navy Ships Head to Georgia
USS McFaul (DDG 74). Photo: U.S. Department of Defense
Two U.S. Navy ships, including a guided missile destroyer USS McFaul, and a U.S. Coast Guard cutter are getting underway to transport humanitarian assistance supplies to Georgia, U.S. European Command (EUCOM) said on August 21.
It said USS McFaul (DDG 74) departed from Souda Bay, Crete, on Wednesday and the cutter Dallas (WHEC 716) will depart later this week.
McFaul and Dallas are scheduled to transit into the Black Sea and arrive in Georgia within a week, according to the U.S. European Command.
The announcement comes after it was reported that Turkey gave its go-ahead to sail through its straits into the Black Sea.
The ships will transport thousands of blankets, hygiene items, baby food and infant supplies to save lives and alleviate human suffering, U.S. European Command said.
The Associated Press reported quoting unnamed U.S. official in Turkey that USS Mount Whitney would be among those three vessels expected to arrive in Georgia.
Anatoly Nogovitsin, deputy chief of the general staff of the Russian armed forces, said at a news conference in Moscow on August 21, that the Russias Black Sea fleet continued providing security regime for maritime in the eastern part of the Black Sea.
There is no need to further reinforce it [the fleet], he added.
Meanwhile, a team of U.S. European Command, led by Army Brig. Gen. John Miller, is already in Tbilisi to assess the current humanitarian situation and make recommendations on continued humanitarian support to senior military leadership.
The EUCOM team will conduct a deliberate and focused assessment, encompassing variables such as transportation, infrastructure, manpower and many other life support considerations, the U.S. European Command said.
And on August 21, the head of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock, who is also NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe, also arrived in Tbilisi."
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Here's a little trick, boys and girls - whenever you see the word "Georgians" replace it with "Nazis"
Saakashvili: We Need to Strengthen Defense System
Civil.Ge | Saakashvili: We Need to Strengthen Defense System
Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 21 Aug.'08 / 21:05
The commander of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock (right) and U.S. Army Brig. Gen. John Miller in Tbilisi on August 21. Photo: InterPressNews
President Saakashvili said on August 21, that Georgia was needed help in developing our economy, rebuilding infrastructure and strengthening our defense capacity and security structures.
You know that a group of [U.S.] senators visited Georgia yesterday. They are ready to allocate great funds for strengthening the defense systems of Georgia. We, together with the U.S. command and NATO, are now working over identifying in which direction this strengthening should take place, he said.
Senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham visited Tbilisi on August 20 and held talks with the Georgian leadership.
[We] would like to see the United States provide assistance to the Georgian military self-defense equipment that will help them defend and deter against Russian aggression in the future, he said in Tbilisi.
We asked them [the Georgian authorities] what security needs they had, and they were quite specific and quite defined, he added.
The Georgian officials say anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems were top priority.
President Saakashvili also said on August 21: Georgia needs much more resources, much more assistance. We will become ten fold, hundred fold stronger as a result of this occupation and we will continue our development.
Saakashvili was speaking after meeting with the commander of the U.S. European Command, Gen. John Craddock, who is also NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe and Henrietta Holsman Fore, administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).
We will have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror, Gen. Craddock said.
"Let no one have doubts that all my forces, all my financial resources until the last tetri [Georgian monetary unit] will be used to free Georgia of this fascist regime," Giorgi Lomsadze, Georgia Grapples with Restricted News Coverage, EurasiaNet, November 8, 2007,
EurasiaNet Civil Society - Georgia Grapples with Restricted News Coverage
sherry
ccodiane
New Member
Putin for Prime Minister, 2008! Yeah! I only hope he wins the election!
Right over your head, aye Sherry.
And no, Sherry. No "News" is good news. I listen to hate mongers on the radio, for the most part. Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh......maybe you've heard of 'em.
ccodiane
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The Mark Levin Show Audio
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Sherry
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Are you talking to Me?
The Mark Levin Show Audio
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Just accept the facts. If you derive your information from any source, people will call you nuts and disagree with you. That basically means any statement given enough exposure will turn into a never-ending argument and will eventually take shape to engulf other topics, that you will either agree or disagree with for whatever reason you feel comfortable with. Enjoy all your fanciful opinions, ill stick to the eyewitness accounts.
ccodiane
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Well I'm the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?
ccodiane
New Member
My Way News - Russians dig in despite promised Georgia pullout
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]Aug 22, 6:29 AM (ET)
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] POTI, Georgia (AP) - Russian troops held their position in the key town of Gori and were digging in deeper in other strategic areas of Georgia on Friday, the day that Russia's president said a pullback would be complete.
In Igoeti, a major checkpoint on the road from the capital Tbilisi to Gori, Russian troops were allowing aid organizations and local traffic through on Friday.
Red Cross vehicles, mine-clearing jeeps and trucks carrying peaches were seen heading into Gori early Friday. Russian military helicopters buzzed overhead as military trucks shuttled in and out of Gori past the checkpoint, where Russian flags were flapping in the wind.
Further west, near a base at the key Black Sea port of Poti, Russian troops were seen digging large trenches near a bridge that provides the only access to the city. Five trucks, several armored personnel carriers and a helicopter were parked nearby. Another Russian position was seen in a wooded area outside the city.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Russain soldiers stand guard as a Georgian protester shouts near the town of Igoeti, 50 kms from...
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A top Russian general said earlier it could be 10 days before the bulk of the troops is gone, and the mixed signals from Moscow left Georgians guessing about Russia's intentions nearly a week after a cease-fire deal.
"The information I have is that if they're leaving it is at a snail's pace," said Gen. John Craddock, commander of U.S. European Command, as he ended a two-day assessment trip in Georgia. "It is far too little and far too slow."
Under the deal, Russian forces are to pull back to positions they held before intense fighting broke out Aug.7 in the Russian-backed Georgian separatist region of South Ossetia.
Russia says it will keep troops in South Ossetia - where Russia had a peacekeeping contingent for more than a decade - and in a buffer zone in Georgia proper around the region's border.
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]Aug 22, 6:29 AM (ET)
By BELA SZANDELSZKY[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] POTI, Georgia (AP) - Russian troops held their position in the key town of Gori and were digging in deeper in other strategic areas of Georgia on Friday, the day that Russia's president said a pullback would be complete.
In Igoeti, a major checkpoint on the road from the capital Tbilisi to Gori, Russian troops were allowing aid organizations and local traffic through on Friday.
Red Cross vehicles, mine-clearing jeeps and trucks carrying peaches were seen heading into Gori early Friday. Russian military helicopters buzzed overhead as military trucks shuttled in and out of Gori past the checkpoint, where Russian flags were flapping in the wind.
Further west, near a base at the key Black Sea port of Poti, Russian troops were seen digging large trenches near a bridge that provides the only access to the city. Five trucks, several armored personnel carriers and a helicopter were parked nearby. Another Russian position was seen in a wooded area outside the city.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Russain soldiers stand guard as a Georgian protester shouts near the town of Igoeti, 50 kms from...Full Image[/FONT]
A top Russian general said earlier it could be 10 days before the bulk of the troops is gone, and the mixed signals from Moscow left Georgians guessing about Russia's intentions nearly a week after a cease-fire deal.
"The information I have is that if they're leaving it is at a snail's pace," said Gen. John Craddock, commander of U.S. European Command, as he ended a two-day assessment trip in Georgia. "It is far too little and far too slow."
Under the deal, Russian forces are to pull back to positions they held before intense fighting broke out Aug.7 in the Russian-backed Georgian separatist region of South Ossetia.
Russia says it will keep troops in South Ossetia - where Russia had a peacekeeping contingent for more than a decade - and in a buffer zone in Georgia proper around the region's border.
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Johnnyorganic
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I received this drive-by from a user unknown:
08-20-2008 11:06 PM
What do I care what you think if you don't have the balls to put your name on some neg rep?
08-20-2008 11:06 PM
Dear Unknown User, you are welcome to your opinion. But it is the opinion of a coward.
What do I care what you think if you don't have the balls to put your name on some neg rep?
medicineman
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Not too bad johnny, I got one a while ago that said he wanted to kill me, Geeze, how easy it is to make enemies, and how hard to make friends.