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Geezus, I think I'm about to agree with OddBall ...

Guns. What to do about guns.

Unless you can absolutely assure that criminals no longer have, nor have access to, guns, there is no way to guarantee law abiding citizens safety. A law abiding citizen will not become a criminal just because they own a gun. And a criminal will not stop being a criminal if they don't have a gun. Taking away the right to own guns [to anyone] is not the answer. BUT -- making the process to own one should be more difficult than it is today. BUT -- if that process is in place, there should be no need for BATF NFA items list.

Geezus. I just agreed with OddBall. Shoot me now. (Only if you are legally able to carry)
 
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sunni said:
I'm getting dual citizenship so technically I'm not giving it up in just adding on
But I married an American who is in the military so I need to get American citizenship because we have to live here
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A peaceful pot smoker like you married a war profiteer? Seems fittingly hypocritical with the liberal agenda.
 
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see4 said:
Geezus, I think I'm about to agree with OddBall ...

Guns. What to do about guns.

Unless you can absolutely assure that criminals no longer have, nor have access to, guns, there is no way to guarantee law abiding citizens safety. A law abiding citizen will not become a criminal just because they own a gun. And a criminal will not stop being a criminal if they don't have a gun. Taking away the right to own guns [to anyone] is not the answer. BUT -- making the process to own one should be more difficult than it is today. BUT -- if that process is in place, there should be no need for BATF NFA items list.

Geezus. I just agreed with OddBall. Shoot me now. (Only if you are legally able to carry)
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Not me. I disagree completely.
 
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bearkat42 said:
Not me. I disagree completely.
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And I completely respect the opposing view. But I'm not sure either side can be convinced of the other's argument.

If the government decided to put a ban on all guns and strictly enforce those rules, which includes police officers, the black market for guns will boom. The problem is that we made them legal to begin with; if never made legal except for the military, we'd likely not have such problems. But we did, and here we are. So what do we do about it?
 
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see4 said:
And I completely respect the opposing view. But I'm not sure either side can be convinced of the other's argument.

If the government decided to put a ban on all guns and strictly enforce those rules, which includes police officers, the black market for guns will boom. The problem is that we made them legal to begin with; if never made legal except for the military, we'd likely not have such problems. But we did, and here we are. So what do we do about it?
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So the black market isn't booming now?
 
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I would assume that it would go up.
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Based on that assumption, would agree that law abiding citizens would then have no chance of defending themselves against criminals who have access to firearms through black market trade? Keeping in mind that a ban on all firearms means that police no longer carry. Only military.
 
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I can't believe if you're on the terrorist watch list and you are able to slip into this country, that terrorist can use his name to purchase a gun legally. Dianne Fienstein introduced a bill that would make this illegal and 54 out of 55 Republicans in the Senate voted against this bill only 1 brave Republican voted to protect americans. Watch how they will primary him. Discusting.

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see4 said:
Based on that assumption, would agree that law abiding citizens would then have no chance of defending themselves against criminals who have access to firearms through black market trade? Keeping in mind that a ban on all firearms means that police no longer carry. Only military.
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Would the police even bother showing up to an active crime with only pepper spray and tasers? I bet their response times would increase dramatically. Wouldn't blame them as I wouldn't want to be a sitting duck either.

Rather have a black market firearm and a shovel, save the time making a phone call to the police who couldn't do shit but wait it out.
 
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Would the police even bother showing up to an active crime with only pepper spray and tasers? I bet their response times would increase dramatically. Wouldn't blame them as I wouldn't want to be a sitting duck either.

Rather have a black market firearm and a shovel, save the time making a phone call to the police who couldn't do shit but wait it out.
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Is that what happens in the UK? Or other countries that don't arm their police force?

Personally, I would tend to agree, if guns get banned, you'd be damn sure that I had something illegal stashed away, and I would probably still carry anyway. What's a cop gunna do? Pepper spray me?
 
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see4 said:
Is that what happens in the UK? Or other countries that don't arm their police force?

Personally, I would tend to agree, if guns get banned, you'd be damn sure that I had something illegal stashed away, and I would probably still carry anyway. What's a cop gunna do? Pepper spray me?
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I have read that the UK does a better job at dividing police duties and health worker duties, makes sense for those types of calls. UK still issues firearms to special forces within their police departments, so armed force is always there when needed. But it has to be the training. The gear a new police officer receives in the UK compared to a senior officer is much different. They get smaller cars if allowed to drive, and are not allowed to be involved in certain calls, monitored closer, radio and a baton are standard issue, etc. Merica gives them a few weeks training, a gun and a dodge charger. Dumb. I also bet the psychological evaluations are different.

If over night, pepper spray and batons were all that was standing between Americans and every cash register, bank, home, etc, then we'd have a big fucking problem come morning.
 
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Nothing sticks to Trump. Just like baking honey oil on parchment paper... It scrapes right off. The GOP is pulling their hair out, and all of the liberal media is stuck wondering what to do about their same old tactic tailspin.
 
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