So You Hate the EPA, huh?

pnwmystery

pnwmystery

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Harrekin said:
And yet the state has final say on everything and total control of the economy.

Just because they "tolerate" some/most private industry, they still must operate under strict regulations.

People calling China a free market, unbelievable.
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It's unbelievable that you think it completely isn't, because China is a prime example of a dual track economy; it's both a socialist economy and a free market economy. It's not one or the other. China has called it Socialism with Chinese characteristics which is the driving ideology of the CCP. The PRC follows a socialist market economy which has a state owned sector, and an open-market economy. Not everything is so cut and dry.
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
Beijing smog ‘red alert’ issued: Schools and businesses to completely shut down as Chinese capital issues first ever extreme warning

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/beijing-smog-red-alert-issued-schools-and-businesses-to-completely-shut-down-as-chinese-capital-a6763286.html


That's what you end up with without it. GO FREE MARKET!
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What you have described is not a free market. In a free market there is voluntary exchange.

The act of polluting somebody else property is not a voluntary exchange, it's an involuntary intrusion and violates free market principles.

You are confused.
 
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spandy

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Little heat wave came though this morning. Roads are warm enough for summer tires, so I decided to fuck the world up a little bit more and burned up about 12mpg on the way to work.

'Merica, fuck yeah.
 
Grandpapy

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Capitalist, or should I say non patriotic Corporations, love the communist business model.

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So much, China has even warned us.

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t675646.htm

"China always upholds and seeks balanced trade. The U.S. should vigorously expand exports to China. Only balanced China-U.S. trade could bring about sustained development, mutual benefits, and a win-win relationship."

Want some candy little boy???
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Grandpapy said:
Capitalist, or should I say non patriotic Corporations, love the communist business model.

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So much, China has even warned us.

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t675646.htm

"China always upholds and seeks balanced trade. The U.S. should vigorously expand exports to China. Only balanced China-U.S. trade could bring about sustained development, mutual benefits, and a win-win relationship."

Want some candy little boy???
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The problem with using the term "free trade" in the same conversation with government entities that both seek to shape how trade will be done, what may be traded, who will be afforded protectionism etc.....is, it then becomes contradictory.

Government intervention or presence in trade negates the possibility of there being any kind of real free trade, so it's best to use terminology that conveys meaning accurately.

Trade to be free, does not involve unwanted third parties, (and certainly not government) THAT is the defining characteristic of true free trade.

Never take candy from strangers. Peace.
 
see4

see4

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Harrekin said:
And yet the state has final say on everything and total control of the economy.

Just because they "tolerate" some/most private industry, they still must operate under strict regulations.

People calling China a free market, unbelievable.
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I think his argument would have been better placed in the "unregulated" basket. China, by communist definition, is not a free market economy, I think most of us can agree. However, it is virtually unregulated in all aspects of manufacturing and trade. And that is a problem, especially with regards to impact on local ecology.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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see4 said:
I think his argument would have been better placed in the "unregulated" basket. China, by communist definition, is not a free market economy, I think most of us can agree. However, it is virtually unregulated in all aspects of manufacturing and trade. And that is a problem, especially with regards to impact on local ecology.
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It's relatively unregulated if you can start your business in the first place.

They have a 5 year plan, unless your company fits into it and provides good paying jobs (relatively speaking) to Chinese citizens then you're shit out of luck.

Then if you want to advertise you have to get multiple authorisations from multiple authorities, if one suggests a change you have to start again.

Trademarks are awarded to whomever applies for it first.

Trading from mainland China internationally is also a bundle of regulatory nightmare too, most firms use a middle man in Hong Kong to export internationally.

Fact is, alot of Wikipedia geniuses on here, very few have actually done business in China/with Chinese firms.
 
see4

see4

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Harrekin said:
It's relatively unregulated if you can start your business in the first place.

They have a 5 year plan, unless your company fits into it and provides good paying jobs (relatively speaking) to Chinese citizens then you're shit out of luck.

Then if you want to advertise you have to get multiple authorisations from multiple authorities, if one suggests a change you have to start again.

Trademarks are awarded to whomever applies for it first.

Trading from mainland China internationally is also a bundle of regulatory nightmare too, most firms use a middle man in Hong Kong to export internationally.

Fact is, alot of Wikipedia geniuses on here, very few have actually done business in China/with Chinese firms.
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I'm confused, are you describing how businesses are started in the United States, or in China? I thought we were talking about China. :-P
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Grandpapy said:
Capitalist, or should I say non patriotic Corporations, love the communist business model.

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So much, China has even warned us.

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t675646.htm

"China always upholds and seeks balanced trade. The U.S. should vigorously expand exports to China. Only balanced China-U.S. trade could bring about sustained development, mutual benefits, and a win-win relationship."

Want some candy little boy???
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What do we produce that china wants to buy? (Honest question)
 
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NoDrama

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Padawanbater2 said:
Are you claiming the environmental issue in Beijing are because of communism?
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Aren't you claiming the pollution is due to a free market?
IMHO I think that the pollution is due to factories spewing out toxic chemicals and smoke. Pretty sure those smoke stacks do that regardless of the country's political classification.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NoDrama said:
Aren't you claiming the pollution is due to a free market?
IMHO I think that the pollution is due to factories spewing out toxic chemicals and smoke. Pretty sure those smoke stacks do that regardless of the country's political classification.
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And China is a free market economy too...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NoDrama said:
Aren't you claiming the pollution is due to a free market?
IMHO I think that the pollution is due to factories spewing out toxic chemicals and smoke. Pretty sure those smoke stacks do that regardless of the country's political classification.
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I'm claiming the lack of environmental regulations - like those of the US - are responsible for the conditions in Beijing

That shows how important they are and how stupid somebody like Ted Cruz is for suggesting abolishing the EPA
 
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