So You Hate the EPA, huh?

[NLXSK1]

At least you're good at something.

He said he liked to do it, not that he was good at it.

 

[Grandpapy]

What do we produce that china wants to buy? (Honest question)

Our future.
http://leehamnews.com/2015/09/28/pontifications-boeing-moves-in-china-only-the-beginning/

"Hand-wringers think China wants to put Boeing “out of business.” Perhaps, in three or four generations, but if Boeing goes out of commercial aviation business, it will be more because of its own failed product strategies than because of any other reason. But in the meantime, Boeing’s huge backlogs and global realities means more work will have to go outside Puget Sound because of space and political considerations."


Think about that last line.


Perhaps if we turned our voices towards Beijing instead of Washington. Oh, wait. n/m.

 

[bravedave]

Beijing smog ‘red alert’ issued: Schools and businesses to completely shut down as Chinese capital issues first ever extreme warning

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/beijing-smog-red-alert-issued-schools-and-businesses-to-completely-shut-down-as-chinese-capital-a6763286.html


That's what you end up with without it. GO FREE MARKET!

You mean that department started by Richard Nixon?

Its not the free market that is the issue (you are such a wanker) but a free society. In western countries, "we the people" would not put up with it and ultimately we would be heard. In China, "the people" are told to shut up and if they don't, they disappear.

Nixon's EPA has done some good but liberals have turned it into an almost gestapo type political weapon. It can go away.

 

[Grandpapy]

You mean that department started by Richard Nixon?

Its not the free market that is the issue (you are such a wanker) but a free society. In western countries, "we the people" would not put up with it and ultimately we would be heard. In China, "the people" are told to shut up and if they don't, they disappear.

Nixon's EPA has done some good but liberals have turned it into an almost gestapo type political weapon. It can go away.

If you check your history you will find it was Publicly funded Higher Education via Protests that started the EPA.

 

[bravedave]

If you check your history you will find it was Publicly funded Higher Education via Protests that started the EPA.

...and when was that again? And was the tricky one for or against?

 

[Rob Roy]

I think his argument would have been better placed in the "unregulated" basket. China, by communist definition, is not a free market economy, I think most of us can agree. However, it is virtually unregulated in all aspects of manufacturing and trade. And that is a problem, especially with regards to impact on local ecology.

Fuck the epa - I prefer rivers that catch on fire! Gas masks are ok, too. Ask the Chinese.

Ahem.....

 

[Grandpapy]

...and when was that again? And was the tricky one for or against?

In 1970 some 20 million Americans gathered for what organizers called Earth Day to protest abuse of the environment. Borrowing a tactic from the anti-Vietnam War movement, students and teachers at over 1500 colleges and universities and at over 10,000 schools held teach-ins on the environment. Hundreds of thousands of other Americans staged protests and rallies around the nation. In another clear sign of a new environmental consciousness, millions of citizens joined environmental groups like the Audubon Society, whose membership grew from 41,000 in 1962 to 400,000 in 1980.

In response to growing citizen protests, Congress passed the National Environmental Act in 1970. The act created the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate environmental health hazards and the use of natural resources. All told, in the 1970s Congress passed 18 new laws to protect the natural environment, including the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, which established national air- and water-quality standards. At both a local and a national level, citizens joined forces to conserve natural resources, use and develop alternative, cleaner forms of energy, demand strict regulation of toxins, and promote a general awareness of the interconnectedness and interdependency of all life. By the late 1970s, much of the environmental movement’s agenda had entered mainstream politics.

http://www.lessonsite.com/ArchivePages/HistoryOfTheWorld/Lesson31/Protests60s.htm

err, congress was forced to act. So I would say no as to Nixon's willingness.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm claiming the lack of environmental regulations - like those of the US - are responsible for the conditions in Beijing

That shows how important they are and how stupid somebody like Ted Cruz is for suggesting abolishing the EPA

The ability to really effectuate enforcement of property rights would help alleviate the pollution concerns.

If the EPA is abolished that doesn't automatically mean that pollution of other peoples property then becomes acceptable. It could mean that an inefficient bureaucracy has been ended though and that other methods to reign in pollution could be used.


A long read, which you will no doubt ignore...

http://mises.org/daily/5978/The-Libertarian-Manifesto-on-Pollution.

 

[bravedave]

In 1970 some 20 million Americans gathered for what organizers called Earth Day to protest abuse of the environment. Borrowing a tactic from the anti-Vietnam War movement, students and teachers at over 1500 colleges and universities and at over 10,000 schools held teach-ins on the environment. Hundreds of thousands of other Americans staged protests and rallies around the nation. In another clear sign of a new environmental consciousness, millions of citizens joined environmental groups like the Audubon Society, whose membership grew from 41,000 in 1962 to 400,000 in 1980.

In response to growing citizen protests, Congress passed the National Environmental Act in 1970. The act created the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate environmental health hazards and the use of natural resources. All told, in the 1970s Congress passed 18 new laws to protect the natural environment, including the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, which established national air- and water-quality standards. At both a local and a national level, citizens joined forces to conserve natural resources, use and develop alternative, cleaner forms of energy, demand strict regulation of toxins, and promote a general awareness of the interconnectedness and interdependency of all life. By the late 1970s, much of the environmental movement’s agenda had entered mainstream politics.

http://www.lessonsite.com/ArchivePages/HistoryOfTheWorld/Lesson31/Protests60s.htm

err, congress was forced to act. So I would say no as to Nixon's willingness.

You seem to not understand how our government works.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=2446

So yes, we the people, felt something needed to be done and our voices were heard. In China, with such a gathering, tanks would probably be heard.

Founded with good intentions and after providing some decent guidance in the past...overreach has turned it into a joke

 

[Rob Roy]

You seem to not understand how our government works.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=2446

So yes, we the people, felt something needed to be done and our voices were heard. In China, with such a gathering, tanks would probably be heard.

Founded with good intentions and after providing some decent guidance in the past...overreach has turned it into a joke

 

[Grandpapy]

You seem to not understand how our government works.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=2446

So yes, we the people, felt something needed to be done and our voices were heard. In China, with such a gathering, tanks would probably be heard.

Founded with good intentions and after providing some decent guidance in the past...overreach has turned it into a joke

The political climate is not mentioned in that link. Nixon had a lot on his plate.
http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm

 

[see4]

Ahem.....

Cute cartoon. Can you please provide links to substantiate the "Americans for Limited Government" claim? No, not conservatively biased at all. Nope, not one bit.

 

[Rob Roy]

Cute cartoon. Can you please provide links to substantiate the "Americans for Limited Government" claim? No, not conservatively biased at all. Nope, not one bit.

Thank you for asking nicely, but no.

My point wasn't the source of information, it was the content and irony of the message conveyed. Learn to discern between them, grasshopper.

 

[Not GOP]

More like the EPA hates us

 

[meristem]

Ahem.....

I know, I know - they're a bunch of idiot bureaucrats. lol

I don't particularly appreciate mountains of idiotic red tape just to be able to provide for some measure corporate responsibility.

Still, in spite of all their zillions of hindrances to US businesses, when corporations are free to choose between maximizing profits and being responsible public stewards, history has shown that most are more than willing to sacrifice the later in favor of the former.

 

[Rob Roy]

I know, I know - they're a bunch of idiot bureaucrats. lol

I don't particularly appreciate mountains of idiotic red tape just to be able to provide for some measure corporate responsibility.

Still, in spite of all their zillions of hindrances to US businesses, when corporations are free to choose between maximizing profits and being responsible public stewards, history has shown that most are more than willing to sacrifice the later latter in favor of the former.

That's true, which is why the idea / reality of a corporation itself could only come from a partnership with government.

Without government , corporations would not exist and the individuals responsible for egregious acts could more easily be held responsible.

Both governments and corporations benefit in a nefarious way and have the ability to spread any blame for their actions so thin that they create virtual immunity for the individual actors within them....by design. Peace.

 

[meristem]

In 1970 some 20 million Americans gathered for what organizers called Earth Day to protest abuse of the environment. Borrowing a tactic from the anti-Vietnam War movement, students and teachers at over 1500 colleges and universities and at over 10,000 schools held teach-ins on the environment. Hundreds of thousands of other Americans staged protests and rallies around the nation. In another clear sign of a new environmental consciousness, millions of citizens joined environmental groups like the Audubon Society, whose membership grew from 41,000 in 1962 to 400,000 in 1980.

In response to growing citizen protests, Congress passed the National Environmental Act in 1970. The act created the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate environmental health hazards and the use of natural resources. All told, in the 1970s Congress passed 18 new laws to protect the natural environment, including the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, which established national air- and water-quality standards. At both a local and a national level, citizens joined forces to conserve natural resources, use and develop alternative, cleaner forms of energy, demand strict regulation of toxins, and promote a general awareness of the interconnectedness and interdependency of all life. By the late 1970s, much of the environmental movement’s agenda had entered mainstream politics.

http://www.lessonsite.com/ArchivePages/HistoryOfTheWorld/Lesson31/Protests60s.htm

err, congress was forced to act. So I would say no as to Nixon's willingness.

President Obama spent Earth Day spewing carbon compounds into the atmosphere lol

"And today, there’s no greater threat to our planet than climate change." -- Obama - Earth Day, 2015

The only good thing about Barack Hussein Obama is his initials.

 

[see4]

Thank you for asking nicely, but no.

My point wasn't the source of information, it was the content and irony of the message conveyed. Learn to discern between them, grasshopper.

The content of the message conveyed implies that the EPA is directly responsible for dumping 3 million gallons of toxic waste into our rivers. The cartoon is completely and wildly inaccurate. There is no truthiness to the cartoon and therefore irony cannot be inferred.

 

[Grandpapy]

President Obama spent Earth Day spewing carbon compounds into the atmosphere lol

"And today, there’s no greater threat to our planet than climate change." -- Obama - Earth Day, 2015

The only good thing about Barack Hussein Obama is his initials.

Kicking Opioids is hard, kicking the oil industry out of Washington, well, it's not often one turns in his dealer to the cops just so he can quit the habit.

Meanwhile the polar caps are melting, US Tax dollars are moving in and providing protection to the newly exposed sea floor, for an Industry that pays little to no tax.

 

[see4]

President Obama spent Earth Day spewing carbon compounds into the atmosphere lol

"And today, there’s no greater threat to our planet than climate change." -- Obama - Earth Day, 2015

The only good thing about Barack Hussein Obama is his initials.

Nope. Contrails are frozen water vapor. Very minute amounts of other compounds are present.

But nice try though. Any other way you can try and hide your blatant racism?