So You Hate the EPA, huh?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
The content of the message conveyed implies that the EPA is directly responsible for dumping 3 million gallons of toxic waste into our rivers. The cartoon is completely and wildly inaccurate. There is no truthiness to the cartoon and therefore irony cannot be inferred.
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Sorry we got your order wrong sir. One ironic cartoon coming right up....


 
meristem

meristem

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see4 said:
Nope. Contrails are frozen water vapor. Very minute amounts of other compounds are present.

But nice try though. Any other way you can try and hide your blatant racism?
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racisism lol.

But jets still burn jet fuel, if I'm not mistaken - with the accompanying large volumes of EPA-unfriendly compounds.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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see4 said:
The content of the message conveyed implies that the EPA is directly responsible for dumping 3 million gallons of toxic waste into our rivers. The cartoon is completely and wildly inaccurate. There is no truthiness to the cartoon and therefore irony cannot be inferred.
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I believe the irony.
But at the same time I blame Agent Orange for my fathers death.


EPA has done more good then bad.
 
meristem

meristem

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Grandpapy said:
I believe the irony.
But at the same time I blame Agent Orange for my fathers death.


EPA has done more good then bad.
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I tend to agree with you. In spite of their many negatives, somebody has to hold our feet to the fire cause we don't seem to care when we aren't being made to.

Asshole people can't even drive down the road and refrain from throwing their McDonnalds shit out all over the land. Trashing up everything and shitting on others, whether as individuals or corporations, doesn't seem to be a big deal to a lot of people. And if there's some cost involved in not being a pig, well then forget it.
 
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see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
Sorry we got your order wrong sir. One ironic cartoon coming right up....


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Cute, but not ironic. With this logic we can conclude that people should not shoot animals because, well people can't shoot other people.

But we both know that this image is lost in logic as is your first example. The major difference between animals, such as lions, tigers and bears, are that they do not posses the ability to cognitively reason. And what you are saying is that poor people on food stamps lack that same ability. Which is wildly inaccurate.

So no, just another right wing, irresponsible, inhumane, not funny, not ironic, attention grabbing meme.
 
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see4

see4

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Grandpapy said:
I believe the irony.
But at the same time I blame Agent Orange for my fathers death.


EPA has done more good then bad.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by, "I believe the irony." -- What statement are you believing?

Sorry to hear about your father. Agent Orange is not a good way to go. My condolences.

What bad things have the EPA done specifically?

"than", not "then" -- sorry, I see that so often, and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
 
see4

see4

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meristem said:
racisism lol.

But jets still burn jet fuel, if I'm not mistaken - with the accompanying large volumes of EPA-unfriendly compounds.
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Yea, I was busting your chops with the race card.

But seriously though, the vast majority of what is exhausted from a jet turbine engine is water vapor that has crystalized. Yes, there are other chemical compounds in that exhaust, but not nearly as much as you think. Far far far far less than coal power plants, large cow farms, bulldozers for deforestation, etc etc.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Rob Roy said:
What you have described is not a free market. In a free market there is voluntary exchange.

The act of polluting somebody else property is not a voluntary exchange, it's an involuntary intrusion and violates free market principles.

You are confused.
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So, if somebody pollutes your land but denies it, how does one stop this intrusion? In your free market world where there are no regulators or government, that is.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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see4 said:
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by, "I believe the irony." -- What statement are you believing?

Sorry to hear about your father. Agent Orange is not a good way to go. My condolences.

What bad things have the EPA done specifically?

"than", not "then" -- sorry, I see that so often, and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
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This was earlier this year in Colorado. Oddly no finance gains for anyone.
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bravedave

bravedave

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Grandpapy said:
I believe the irony.
But at the same time I blame Agent Orange for my fathers death.


EPA has done more good then bad.
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If I was see4, I would ask for a list.

Unelected bureaucrats should not be given the unchecked power the EPA had garnered.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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meristem said:
I know, I know - they're a bunch of idiot bureaucrats. lol

I don't particularly appreciate mountains of idiotic red tape just to be able to provide for some measure corporate responsibility.

Still, in spite of all their zillions of hindrances to US businesses, when corporations are free to choose between maximizing profits and being responsible public stewards, history has shown that most are more than willing to sacrifice the later in favor of the former.
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This.

The religious zeal of libertarians is especially found in this discussion. @Rob Roy posted a link that attempts to "explain" why a libertarian market would result in a pollution-free world, such as:

With a General Motors owning the Mississippi River, you can be sure that stiff effluent charges would be assessed on industries and municipalities along its banks, and that the water would be kept clean enough to maximize revenues from leases granted to firms seeking rights to drinking water, recreation, and commercial fishing.

As you point out, if GM owned the Mississippi, it would manage the resource for quarterly profit. Effluent charges provide recurring income and would be managed as such. If effluent charges for toxic waste produced more short term profit than a recreational or commercial fisherman (more than likely the case), then the fish die. In a libertarian's own manifesto, we can see how the so-called free market would turn our environment into a sewer, managed for short term profit.
 
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