If Bernie Sanders is for Peace...why did he....

[Rob Roy]

I am not a Bernie Sanders supporter but I play one on TV and I'm here tell you about a fabulous new product called.........wait for it.........I'll be right back, I forgot something.

Awww man, this is bullshit!! I really have to take a piss!! Could you please hurry it up!!!???

 

[AllynIndoorFarms]

Bernie has very little concern for individual liberty and is woefully inept regarding any kind of free market based economics. He is playing the masses as chumps but that wasn't the question I asked.

My point is and the question posed in this thread, HIS actions do not agree with his words. Why did he vote to continue slaughter ?

Im gonna skip ahead and ask, which current candidate, if any, do you believe has a career-long perfect track record in regards to actions matching words?
It's pretty easy to find hypocrisy or flimsy stances in a political candidate when you're reviewing their whole career. It's only slightly harder to figure out that these candidates understand that none of their ideology will matter if they aren't elected. We the people get the fun task of deciding who will probably lie to us the least.

 

[Rob Roy]

so you are refusing to state that pedophilia should be illegal.

isn't that something that only a raging pedophile would do?

No. Again, I can think something shouldn't happen and not automatically default to government speak.

Besides slavery was illegal, did that make it right?

 

[Rob Roy]

Im gonna skip ahead and ask, which current candidate, if any, do you believe has a career-long perfect track record in regards to actions matching words?
It's pretty easy to find hypocrisy or flimsy stances in a political candidate when you're reviewing their whole career. It's only slightly harder to figure out that these candidates understand that none of their ideology will matter if they aren't elected. We the people get the fun task of deciding who will probably lie to us the least.

I'll be voting for Vermin Supreme, but only because I want a pony.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'll be voting for Vermin Supreme, but only because I want a pony.

"None of them" isn't an applicable answer

You asked "Why you voting for this guy, I think he lies!" - now you're asked "OK, so who's better?" and you resort to Vermin Supreme...

People are voting for Sanders because he's the best choice given all the options. Sorry that's tough for you to understand, believe or accept.

 

[Rob Roy]

"None of them" isn't an applicable answer

You asked "Why you voting for this guy, I think he lies!" - now you're asked "OK, so who's better?" and you resort to Vermin Supreme...

People are voting for Sanders because he's the best choice given all the options. Sorry that's tough for you to understand, believe or accept.

No, I asked if anyone could explain why he voted to fund death and destruction. Nobody has answered it.

Your post assumes that only through the political process can peace be achieved, which is demonstrably false. Imposed order maybe, but peace leaves the building whenever people are encompassed by a political entity involuntarily. Logic has my back, another lying politician has yours.

 

[Padawanbater2]

No, I asked if anyone could explain why he voted to fund death and destruction. Nobody has answered it.

Your post assumes that only through the political process can peace be achieved, which is demonstrably false. Imposed order maybe, but peace leaves the building whenever people are encompassed by a political entity involuntarily. Logic has my back, another lying politician has yours.

You can't have a civilization that is completely involuntary, it is impossible, you've been told this over and over again. You give up some "rights" for the access to society - that is how it is and always will be, and you've offered no legitimate alternatives. You can't even define what "wherewithal" means for fucks sake, or when or how someone get's it.

 

[Rob Roy]

You can't have a civilization that is completely involuntary, it is impossible, you've been told this over and over again. You give up some "rights" for the access to society - that is how it is and always will be, and you've offered no legitimate alternatives. You can't even define what "wherewithal" means for fucks sake, or when or how someone get's it.

Can a society be said to be civilized if it has it's beginning spring from systemic coercion ?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Can a society be said to be civilized if it has it's beginning spring from systemic coercion ?

I'm not interested in entertaining your hypotheticals unless you prove your assertion that society has stemmed from coercion and provide any historical example of a better society that didn't "stem from coercion"

You can cry "society is bad!" til the cows come home, the fuck else we gonna do but live like nomads? Sorry bud, nomatic life didn't work, that's why the fuck we created societies..

 

[see4]

Rob, it is apparent you are an Anarchist. And I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm simply stating it as a matter of education assumption, based on accumulative observations.

With that said, what exactly is YOUR opinion of the United States military complex and how it should be funded, if at all? What exactly do you propose in place of government, as it is clear you'd prefer not one at all.

Please, enlighten us on your profound understanding of social constructs, government policy and free markets.

 

[Glaucoma]

The premise for your question is flawed

The premise is a society without government. It even says so right in the question.

Without taxes and government, who pays to investigate crimes?

 

[see4]

So back on topic, do you support Bernie and his votes to fund the Pentagon and their death and destruction ?

Interesting that you single out UB asking if he supports a candidate that wants to increase military spending, when your Republican brethren ALL want an increase in military spending, they've wanted that since Vietnam. Why don't you ask them?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Rob, it is apparent you are an Anarchist. And I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm simply stating it as a matter of education assumption, based on accumulative observations.

With that said, what exactly is YOUR opinion of the United States military complex and how it should be funded, if at all? What exactly do you propose in place of government, as it is clear you'd prefer not one at all.

Please, enlighten us on your profound understanding of social constructs, government policy and free markets.

Guarantee you'll get another double serving of word salad that doesn't address anything you asked.

 

[Rob Roy]

Interesting that you single out UB asking if he supports a candidate that wants to increase military spending, when your Republican brethren ALL want an increase in military spending, they've wanted that since Vietnam. Why don't you ask them?

It's funny how you've assigned me the garb of a Republican. Do you know any other jokes?

You of course know that your constitution prohibits a standing army in the USA right and that acts of war are supposed to be via a declaration ?

Do you support foreign aggression and the military industrial complex?

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not interested in entertaining your hypotheticals unless you prove your assertion that society has stemmed from coercion and provide any historical example of a better society that didn't "stem from coercion"

You can cry "society is bad!" til the cows come home, the fuck else we gonna do but live like nomads? Sorry bud, nomatic life didn't work, that's why the fuck we created societies..

When your arguments get all circular like that, do you ever get dizzy?

 

[Padawanbater2]

When your arguments get all circular like that, do you ever get dizzy?

Society stems from necessity. Without society, it would be impossible to support 7+ billion people

You can't name a better system because there are no better systems. You live in fantasy land - always have, and probably always will

 

[Rob Roy]

Rob, it is apparent you are an Anarchist. And I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm simply stating it as a matter of education assumption, based on accumulative observations.

With that said, what exactly is YOUR opinion of the United States military complex and how it should be funded, if at all? What exactly do you propose in place of government, as it is clear you'd prefer not one at all.

Please, enlighten us on your profound understanding of social constructs, government policy and free markets.

You gave me a large list. I'll ponder it some.



Can you tell me if you or I have any right to delegate authority we don't have ? I'll guess you can't. (trust me... you can't) I have no right to tell you how to live your life, UNLESS you intervene in mine.

The whole foundation of a coercion based government rests on that flawed assumption though, that people can delegate a right they don't have to be exercised by government ....doesn't it?

My opinion of the military industrial complex is that the world would be better off without it.

In place of a coercion based government I propose peaceful human interactions and viewing people as individuals rather than livestock on tax farms that some people know as nation / states.

 

[AllynIndoorFarms]

Bernie ...and is woefully inept regarding any kind of free market based economics.

Ill give you this point. Even as a supporter, I'm not convinced a $15/hr min wage helps everyone in the long term.
I think "woefully" is a bit strong, but to each their own.

 

[Rob Roy]

Society stems from necessity. Without society, it would be impossible to support 7+ billion people

You can't name a better system because there are no better systems. You live in fantasy land - always have, and probably always will

So you are saying in order to achieve peace there must be an entity that systemically breaks the peace ? (a coercion based government)

I reject that notion that a SYSTEM which arises from coercion...which IS a breaking of the peace, , can also create peace, by the way logic rejects that too.

Society is not a living entity, it is simply the aggregate of all the wonderfully diverse individual people in the world,stop trying to herd people into YOUR Utopia, it's not nice.



No, I don't live in a fantasy land, I live in Sasquatchewan. We don't try to run others lives there, it's quite peaceful.

 

[Rob Roy]

The premise is a society without government. It even says so right in the question.

Without taxes and government, who pays to investigate crimes?

The people that feel they are aggrieved, initially. If they can bring about proof they have been aggrieved, the perpetrator of the crime seems like a logical choice to then restitute any victims he / she has created.

You never read The Market for Liberty though did you...I'm pretty sure I told you many of your questions concerning dispute arbitration in the absence of a coercion based government holding a forcible monopoly on dispute resolution could be answered there. It's a short book, you should consider reading it.

Have a good night.