If Bernie Sanders is for Peace...why did he....

The_Herban_Legend

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I think you even put it lightly, my friend. It's appropriate to say that we set the stage for ISIS to thrive. Sure, some of the dictators we removed were committing grotesque violations of basic human rights, but they were a far less complex problem on a global scale.
Exactly! I really think we, the American government, are and have been strategically keeping the middle east unstable and volatile. I truly believe the terrorism we are experiencing on a global scale is what the American government wants. Why? Not sure yet but I have my suspicions.
 
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Harrekin

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Exactly! I really think we, the American government, are and have been strategically keeping the middle east unstable and volatile. I truly believe the terrorism we are experiencing on a global scale is what the American government wants. Why? Not sure yet but I am my suspicions.
War is good for business.

 

Not GOP

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I blame ANY president for security breaches, internal and external violent attacks on our interests, people and property........ lack of military leadership, and indirectly for the state of the economy - not wanting or being able to balance a budget whether that's via his role model, policies, or influence on Congress to act. In that regard, Obama has failed on all accounts IMO.

Now that the world is in a state of chaos thanks to Islamic terrorism, any military or intelligence action taken now by Obama is a little too late. How many Generals has he retired because he didn't like what they were recommending?
Hopefully the next president will be able to secure our country right off the bat, but it could take a little time to unravel Obama's policies. Clinton set up Bin Laden for the opportunity to attack America by not taking him out when the opportunity presented itself, leaving Bush exposed to an inherited threat.
 

pnwmystery

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Hopefully the next president will be able to secure our country right off the bat, but it could take a little time to unravel Obama's policies. Clinton set up Bin Laden for the opportunity to attack America by not taking him out when the opportunity presented itself, leaving Bush exposed to an inherited threat.
This is some revisionist history if I've ever read it. He had from January 20, 2001 to September, 9 months, to do something and did nothing.
 

Not GOP

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This is some revisionist history if I've ever read it. He had from January 20, 2001 to September, 9 months, to do something and did nothing.
...And Bin Laden was out in the open ready to get hit? :roll: Stop cherry picking my posts. It wasn't even directed towards you, and somehow you still managed to come up with a ridiculous argument. At least you're not editing my quotes anymore. I guess this is a step up from your "normal" behavior.


go back and read it again
when the opportunity presented itself
 

pnwmystery

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...And Bin Laden was out in the open ready to get hit? :roll: Stop cherry picking my posts. It wasn't even directed towards you, and somehow you still managed to come up with a ridiculous argument. At least you're not editing my quotes anymore. I guess this is a step up from your "normal" behavior.
I never edited your posts to begin with, you just cried about it went back and edited them. And cherry picking? You really need to learn what that is, and me saying you're doing revisionist history is what... me thinking you're attacking me? Get real. Nine months with the outgoing President and intelligence community warning him but he did what? Went back to his ranch in Texas?

Someone call the waaaaahmbulance for Not GOP lol.
 

Not GOP

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I never edited your posts to begin with, you just cried about it went back and edited them. Nine months with the outgoing President and intelligence community warning him but he did what? Went back to his ranch in Texas?

Someone call the waaaaahmbulance for Not GOP lol.
You don't want to have the vacation conversation. Price of Obama vacations so far is 70 billion and counting. Where is he headed right now? Oh that's right, his annual visit to Hawaii.

You have Bush confused with Clinton. You've got it all mixed up bro. If Bush had the chance to take out Bin Laden, he would have taken it pre 9/11, but Laden was hidden under a rock and not a easy man to track down.

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pnwmystery

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You don't want to have the vacation conversation. Price of Obama vacations so far is 70 billion and counting. Where is he headed right now? Oh that's right, his annual visit to Hawaii.

You have Bush confused with Clinton. You've got it all mixed up bro. If Bush had the chance to take out Bin Laden, he would have taken it pretty 9/11, but Laden was hidden under a rock and not a easy man to track down.
Bush took 879 days of vacation, including 77 trips to that ranch. By August 2014 Obama had taken 150 days off. Womp womp. It's somewhat irrelevant anyways - I'll agree with you there - because President John Adams took a trip back to Quincy during his Presidency which drew him away from Philadelphia for eight months. However, let's take a step further: We don't pay for the President's vacations, they do. Also your number about 70 billion? Outright lie. Try $44 million so far for the cost of fuel, Secret Service, staffers, and all that. Remember that India trip everyone was going on about? The $100 million one? That was based off of the upper most estimated cost of each of Bush's five Africa "good will" trips*.

You really need to read up on your current events because I remember when I was studying this reading a Washington Post article from a Republican that was railing on Clinton for launching missiles against Bin Laden as just a way to get the public's mind off of the Lewinsky affair.

Edited: I need to clarify. Upper most number.
 

Fogdog

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No, I asked if anyone could explain why he voted to fund death and destruction. Nobody has answered it.

Your post assumes that only through the political process can peace be achieved, which is demonstrably false. Imposed order maybe, but peace leaves the building whenever people are encompassed by a political entity involuntarily. Logic has my back, another lying politician has yours.
 

Not GOP

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Lol you fuckin' edited that, just look at your quote in pwn's post. You said "billion" with a B

That shows a lot of character. If you can't even admit a tiny little mistake like that that nobody would even care about, what else wouldn't you admit I wonder...
He quoted me correctly that time. I went back to fix one single letter because I got a word switch around after smoking a blunt. As usual, you don't know what the hell you're posting about. You're just a drama queen
 

Padawanbater2

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He quoted me correctly that time. I went back to fix one single letter because I got a word switch around after smoking a blunt. As usual, you don't know what the hell you're posting about. You're just a drama queen
LMFAO that's a cool story and all, but I was sitting right here the whole time, I saw exactly what happened

You said "Price of Obama vacations so far is 70 billion and counting." - with a B - billion. Then @pnwmystery quoted you at how ridiculous that was "Also your number about 70 billion? Outright lie. Try $44 million so far for the cost of fuel, Secret Service, staffers, and all that.", then you went and found your source that confirmed M - million. Then you came back and edited it to make it seem like you said M - million the whole time. It was quick, but not quick enough
 

Not GOP

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LMFAO that's a cool story and all, but I was sitting right here the whole time, I saw exactly what happened

You said "Price of Obama vacations so far is 70 billion and counting." - with a B - billion. Then @pnwmystery quoted you at how ridiculous that was "Also your number about 70 billion? Outright lie. Try $44 million so far for the cost of fuel, Secret Service, staffers, and all that.", then you went and found your source that confirmed M - million. Then you came back and edited it to make it seem like you said M - million the whole time. It was quick, but not quick enough
You're going in circles phishing for likes, or have a stick up your ass. Either way, I'm just not interested
 

Padawanbater2

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You're going in circles phishing for likes, or have a stick up your ass. Either way, I'm just not interested
Yeah, now you're trying to shrug it off like nothing even happened, that's a classy move too bro

That tells me so much more about you than anything you've ever posted
 

pnwmystery

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He quoted me correctly that time. I went back to fix one single letter because I got a word switch around after smoking a blunt. As usual, you don't know what the hell you're posting about. You're just a drama queen
Makes me wonder...

Okay, even then I'll let that one slide. $77 million, right. Potentially that is a lot of money by all means... but... still less than the potential $124 million from our last President. Oh bummer. Just google it, I've found it on multiple places, but I'm sure they're all probably just liberal smear rags or whatever. :roll: Obama is not the worst thing to happen to America by leagues and miles, unless you're afraid of a black man being in power because it threatens you somehow.

We can agree on one thing though: cheers to that blunt. (I don't mean this in a snippy or sarcastic way)
 
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