can sum1 help with canna coco....

[Chrissa]

Producing a good quality coco substrate is an intensive process that takes months to be able to use the product as a growing medium, the substance derived from the coco husks needs to be aged washed agetated treated and rinsed , if this process is not carried out or not carried out correctly there is a risk of less than optimal growing results or potassium or calcium deficiencies

 

[Chrissa]

i dont grow ..... im just here to bust fanboy's balls

Man I'm not trying to put anyone down or disrespect anyone some of the comments that were made do not pertain to canna coco that wat I was explaining, realistically yes it is able to buy cheap garbage coco and agitate it and pre charge it but in my opinion it is very difficult to get the coco to the quality of cannas ready to grow bags, if this is your cup of tea to so, but finding the correct balance of calcium and magnesium to properly do so and the time it takes to do it is just not worth it to me it's easier to buy bags that have already had this done and at 7.99 for 50L with no shipping cost and I don't have to add water first to expand any bricks and I don't have to add more organic mater and I don't have to prewashthats a no brainier to me

 

[bubblenut]

I use 65,5 L of coco no hydroton no perlite ,, and u absolutely need to see that 20 percent run off that's the trick to the coco to keep the buffer in check.. Coco has a weird cation exchange capacity it hold onto potassium and sodium which interm affects how other nutrients are absorbed and used

Am still learning but from what ive read and conversations with pro growers, i second Chrissa!

 

[bubblenut]

DE does make a lot of sense though and i may use it on bottom and top of coco bucket. So i will still attract fungas gnats with coco aye???

 

[8/10]

I just told the guy how I do it, and it works out great on my part. I'm a laid back grower and there is always room for improvement, but I get over 1g/watt with leds, and from what I've heard that is near the cap for g/w with leds, so I'm happy with the amount of effort I put into growing compared to how I yield. BUT, if someone flips out over something I'm doing wrong, I'm ready to listen, no matter how big of a cunt the person is. So please, if you want, I'd like to know what kind of changes I should do to yield more.

 

[Chrissa]

I was being a cunt earlier... going through some shit .. takin it out on wrong people .. I'd like to apologize for anyone I was an ass too .. this is supposed to be where we share experience not argue so I apologize peace and happy growing friends

 

[8/10]

no problem! I've gone off on a couple of people for spreading disinformation myself, so I really shouldn't be the one to complain happy growing to you to, friend

 

[tekdc911]

no problem! I've gone off on a couple of people for spreading disinformation myself, so I really shouldn't be the one to complain happy growing to you to, friend

i have as well ..... but what i stated applies to like 99% of the coco products on the market so it kinda sent me over the top ........ if flushing canna coco ruins it then i guess if you ever nute burn it and have to flush it you might as well terminate the grow and start over

all coco leeches some of the nutes its just the nature of it

 

[tekdc911]

auto's have no feeding schedule they have to be treated on a plant to plant basis even grows of the same strain ....... you have to be able to read the plants if your wanting to get the most out of them

 

[tekdc911]

DE does make a lot of sense though and i may use it on bottom and top of coco bucket. So i will still attract fungas gnats with coco aye???

i use DE tractor supply sells food grade for 8 bucks for a dry gallon pretty much

 

[Chrissa]

i have as well ..... but what i stated applies to like 99% of the coco products on the market so it kinda sent me over the top ........ if flushing canna coco ruins it then i guess if you ever nute burn it and have to flush it you might as well terminate the grow and start over

all coco leeches some of the nutes its just the nature of it

Yes but only flushing with plain water I add calmag when I flush

 

[tekdc911]

Yes but only flushing with plain water I add calmag when I flush

im sorry .... i mean no disrespect ..... but cal/mag has little to do with ph buffers or stability .......

 

[Chrissa]

I'm not specifically talking about a ph buffer let me explain ...coco is a naural fiber that acts like a peat fiber in the way that it binds and releases nutrients, but also like an inert substrate such as Rockwool in the way that it holds water however the characteristics of coco are very different then peat which makes it a very unique product. Coco substrate can act as a buffer to store nutrient and water for the plants.Buffering can work in several ways there are water buffers, pH buffers, nutrient buffers, and the unique coco buffer. So let's start with the water buffer rockwool can hold about 92% of its volume in water this water supply is there for the plant when it needs it and it's called a waterbuffer. Coco can act as a water buffer as well although it can only hold about 66% of its volume in water. Then we have the PH buffer . Potting mix that's made from acidic peat . And because of this acidity,lime is added to bring it to the right pH value. If u water the plant with a nutrient solution with a higher or lower pH the lime buffer Wil neutralize the pH value, at least until the lime in the peat runs out.Potting mixes are usually more forgiving for mistakes. Coco is neutral to its pH value and will not neutralize the pH value of the nutrient solution. This means the pH values are easier to control or pinpoint in coco but is not as forgiving as potting mixes. Then we have the nutrient buffers substrates containing peat or mineral soil combine nutrients to the fibers or partials using "charged" sites known as cation exchange sites. The nutrients can later be released into the solution around the fibers in the soil. Coco has similar spaces around its fibers but these are all ready filled with the potassium and sodium. This sodium and excess potassium needs to be removed by washing the cocos thoroughly with clean low ec water this treatment should be done by the supplier making coco substrates from coco fibers. Last but not least we have the coco buffer, as mentioned coco fibers also hold potassium. This needs to be removed by adding calcium and magnesium. If this does not happen or if the buffer is washed away from flushing the substrate with low ec water, the substrate will draw calcium and magnesium out the nutrient solution. But still although the coco is buffered it still has a chance of binding some calcium and magnesium and then releasing potassium. . That was the buffer I was speaking of not the pH buffer

 

[tekdc911]

I'm not specifically talking about a ph buffer let me explain ...coco is a naural fiber that acts like a peat fiber in the way that it binds and releases nutrients, but also like an inert substrate such as Rockwool in the way that it holds water however the characteristics of coco are very different then peat which makes it a very unique product. Coco substrate can act as a buffer to store nutrient and water for the plants.Buffering can work in several ways there are water buffers, pH buffers, nutrient buffers, and the unique coco buffer. So let's start with the water buffer rockwool can hold about 92% of its volume in water this water supply is there for the plant when it needs it and it's called a waterbuffer. Coco can act as a water buffer as well although it can only hold about 66% of its volume in water. Then we have the PH buffer . Potting mix that's made from acidic peat . And because of this acidity,lime is added to bring it to the right pH value. If u water the plant with a nutrient solution with a higher or lower pH the lime buffer Wil neutralize the pH value, at least until the lime in the peat runs out.Potting mixes are usually more forgiving for mistakes. Coco is neutral to its pH value and will not neutralize the pH value of the nutrient solution. This means the pH values are easier to control or pinpoint in coco but is not as forgiving as potting mixes. Then we have the nutrient buffers substrates containing peat or mineral soil combine nutrients to the fibers or partials using "charged" sites known as cation exchange sites. The nutrients can later be released into the solution around the fibers in the soil. Coco has similar spaces around its fibers but these are all ready filled with the potassium and sodium. This sodium and excess potassium needs to be removed by washing the cocos thoroughly with clean low ec water this treatment should be done by the supplier making coco substrates from coco fibers. Last but not least we have the coco buffer, as mentioned coco fibers also hold potassium. This needs to be removed by adding calcium and magnesium. If this does not happen or if the buffer is washed away from flushing the substrate with low ec water, the substrate will draw calcium and magnesium out the nutrient solution. But still although the coco is buffered it still has a chance of binding some calcium and magnesium and then releasing potassium. . That was the buffer I was speaking of not the pH buffer

bleh that made my eyes hurt ........ so canna coco just acts like regular coco ? it was a loaded question no need to answer ...... ive already been down that road .....

 

[Chrissa]

Lol this Is ridiculous

 

[8/10]

So, Chrissa,

we want to wash out the sodium and potassium, so the space they occupy can be filled with calsium and magnesium instead?

And we don't water with pure water, cause that would wash out the cal-mag and the coco would absorb cal-mag from the nutrients we feed to the plants later?

So, should I flush the coco in between grows?

 

[tekdc911]

So, Chrissa,

we want to wash out the sodium and potassium, so the space they occupy can be filled with calsium and magnesium instead?

And we don't water with pure water, cause that would wash out the cal-mag and the coco would absorb cal-mag from the nutrients we feed to the plants later?

So, should I flush the coco in between grows?

im sure canna wants you to discard it ..... job security and all...... its going to leech nutrients regardless of what its flushed with

 

[tekdc911]

if you flush it with a nutrient solution its a " precharge "

 

[8/10]

does stuff build up in coco with time, or is the coco saturated more or less constantly in a regular grow?

 

[Chrissa]

I'm not to sure I reuse coco 3 times I just flush it realgood with calmag and a higher dosee of canazym... And as for u tek I apologized for being rude and u seem to still be talking down about my technique / understanding.. it works real well for me this way and this is the way that I feel is most effective if u don't like it I'm sorry but my understandING was that this forum was for everyone to work together to find solutions so I'm trying sorry that it's not to ur liking good day sir