Defoliation - Touchy Subject My Theory (Veg + Flower)

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bict

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Rev.thenatural said:
Removing fan leaves properly strengthens the secondary branches too hold more bud mass and makes the entire primary fill out also, creating torpedo size buds and no stems too be seen, when especially not cut at some miserable 9-11 weeks.
There's no sense in going on as this is for sure a picture proof generation.
Fan leaves are also used instead of being tossed like garbage for many benefits and so much is missed out on because of misinformation.
So defoliating serves two purposes too those who have wisdom.
One gives more bud when done properly, every time period.
Two for those who know and those that care too know.
Fan leaves can be juiced too prevent cancer and many health benefits when grown organic or made with citric acid and I'll make you a smoothie from 12 fan leaves that will roast you for 12 hours non stop and if you have intestinal problems, will be cured in a week.
You learn the benefits of fan leaves and how too activate the cbd and you'll leave your bud too ripen and cure more as you won't need it.
God so many are lost and all you can do is call out... Fellow worm over here! Can anybody hear me!?
I woke up, why so many content with their sleep?
My brothers will not sleep much longer.
So in ending, nothing is wasted.
Want the best fertilizer for cannabis?
Feed it itself.
Dry the leaves, crumble them and give sugar water and watch the magic.
Don't believe it?
Try it and come back and tell me I lied too you....
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Rev.thenatural

Rev.thenatural

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Uncle Ben said:
bullshit ~ Heard it all before and from the same young know-it-alls. It'll "cost" alright, in yields. YOU need to learn what drives bud production.

None of your wonderful info has any degree of botanical truth. I'm a seasoned gardener both commercially and privately and if you'll bother to read a few of the defoliation threads you might learn something about botany. Noobs like you hate books on horticulture so that resource is out.
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Its OK uncle Ben.
I use too be ate up with fear also, that some horses arse know it all redneck from nowhere might show up and make the botanist rewrite the books!
He will as his teacher was the best in the universe.
When your worm proves this by his teachers leave, you will know all the worm has been spouting on here for months was not only true, it was free!
Just know, I'm in good company.
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Rev.thenatural said:
Its OK uncle Ben.
I use too be ate up with fear also, that some horses arse know it all redneck from nowhere might show up and make the botanist rewrite the books!
He will as his teacher was the best in the universe.
When your worm proves this by his teachers leave, you will know all the worm has been spouting on here for months was not only true, it was free!
Just know, I'm in good company.
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testiclees

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blowinmaryfast

blowinmaryfast

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SPLFreak808 said:
I just dont fucking get it no more. I have personally tried 8 different cuts only 6 of them made it to flower.

If you defoliate during veg, not only does it stunt the plant but the plant will make new leaves higher up to compromise for what you cut off. The new growth will be small unless you veg and heal it meaning by the time its done your back to square ONE!

If you defoliate during flower you WILL STUNT THE FUCK out of whatever branch you fucked with which pro-longs flower time, even if you could wait 2-4 weeks longer, you will have very leafy somewhat airy buds because again, the plant tried to compromise for what you have cut off.

If you defoliate too much during veg or flower, you get severe nute burn using the same feed. Its just not worth it, and while i did not get pop corn down below, the bag appeal looks like shit and the yields were NOT higher then my undefoliated clones. Nothing worse then holding a baseball nug in your hand that weighs 4 grams when the last nug of the same size from thr clone left alone was 8 grams. You guys can try whatever you like but keep in mind how old those defoliating threads are, NOBODY has been happy with the results except for tgat single dumbass that started the defo thread. Dont reply with "you're supposed to defo 21 days after stretch ect". Im not the only one whos tried and failed numerous times. *edit. Just so were clear, im talking about the "defoliation for increased yields method" pulling a fan here and there is not the same lol
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Newb poster here. I get it. But this is erroneous. Maybe it didn't work in your set up! Maybe it will be more effective in a system where nutes are fed to the roots very frequently. I respect your stance and the majority in previous discussion here. but simply because you back pure organics and don't support certain types of growing like hydro with bottled nutes you shouldn't bash anyone or a metho that could give them 1to 1 1/4 per 600w. I've learned tons here and had rooms to put it to experiment over the past 5 years.i love riu. but lately I see so much bashing because some peeps are on someone's bandwagon. Nothing helpful to say? Go check your temps and humidity!
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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blowinmaryfast said:
Newb poster here. I get it. But this is erroneous. Maybe it didn't work in your set up! Maybe it will be more effective in a system where nutes are fed to the roots very frequently. I respect your stance and the majority in previous discussion here. but simply because you back pure organics and don't support certain types of growing like hydro with bottled nutes you shouldn't bash anyone or a metho that could give them 1to 1 1/4 per 600w. I've learned tons here and had rooms to put it to experiment over the past 5 years.i love riu. but lately I see so much bashing because some peeps are on someone's bandwagon. Nothing helpful to say? Go check your temps and humidity!
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Where did i bash hydro or bottled nutes? I'm not sure what you are trying to say? If my roots dont have to break down organic nutrients it will work? Hell i still dont know if it works because I've never had one that outyielded the other! I dont jump on nobodys bandwagon. I grow for my own medication so i dont got much to loose, therefore i experiment, i have followed 2 defoliation threads and tried them 3 seperate times! My conclusion is, im a fucking horrible defoliation grower,defoliation does not work or I've got way too much light to begin with. The buds looked like shit! They are leafy as fuck! The plant noticeably stresses out every time you snip a few leaves off you get stunted for a few days. Snip too much and you'll get stunted for a week+. If you have a method that actually works, post it up here. Maybe you can be the 3rd guy to convince me to try it again. You cant give the roots too much if the foliage is all hacked up. You really blame my temps/rh before my genetics?
 
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Xare

Xare

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chuck estevez said:
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Your Argument isnt valid, because the purpose of Defoliating is NOT to grow bigger main buds. That is not where you make up extra yield.

When you Defoliate you allow light to reach the lower bud sites and it fills in the canopy better. The smaller buds become larger and add to your overall yield. It makes for a more efficient grow.

The top cola budsites are already in the full brightness of the light, because they are above everything else and they never get shaded.

When you are defoliating you want to remove the large fan leaves that block the light from reaching the lower bud sites so that they can fill in and swell up, instead of becoming popcorn fluffy nugs.

So you end up with alot more of your weight from the lower buds from the rest of the canopy, not top budsites, those stay the same.
 
Resinhound

Resinhound

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Xare said:
Your Argument isnt valid, because the purpose of Defoliating is NOT to grow bigger main buds. That is not where you make up extra yield.

When you Defoliate you allow light to reach the lower bud sites and it fills in the canopy better. The smaller buds become larger and add to your overall yield. It makes for a more efficient grow.

The top cola budsites are already in the full brightness of the light, because they are above everything else and they never get shaded.

When you are defoliating you want to remove the large fan leaves that block the light from reaching the lower bud sites so that they can fill in and swell up, instead of becoming popcorn fluffy nugs.

So you end up with alot more of your weight from the lower buds from the rest of the canopy, not top budsites, those stay the same.
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Yes,yes I know..cant have leaves blocking light...doing their job,now can we.
 
blowinmaryfast

blowinmaryfast

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You're obviously an experienced grower. 808 I'm not looking to change your mind just for u not to call us all dumb as fuck. Obviously this could be strain dependent as some are more finicky to any pruning but I haven't ran defoliation on them for these reasons. It seems to work well with most indica strains. My cripy og loves it also. Alternatively Sour d has no prob with it but I keep her on a totally diff set up bc the it's whole deal... Haha. I try to be as organic as possible with the sour d. My all day medication.

Anyhow. I run a 1-2 week veg so I'm not getting much over growth to cut away for even penetrating light. I will however clip the oldest, largest fan leaves that are shading lower nodes without any other change to my regimen. Once flowering I will de leaf a couple of sessions as needed. Never past week 3. Water once after de leaf. I have noticed my frequently fed plants in much smaller containers will rebound within a couple days. Completely "clothed" within a week. With that said I see no decrease in the bud growth. Only tighter packing of the nodes. Possibly a more even canopy. I could skip a fn rock across my canopy but Its not an abusive cut. Lol. I have cut my littles down from nearly a 7grams per plant. To2-2.5 grams. Per 1.6oz of dispensary Quality meds. When defoliate in flower I'm looking to have all the older ,large ,rugged leaves taken. its sort of going by eye at this point. I'm not stripping every fan leaf. That WOUlD be nuts. I'd say 70% of fans taken off.
 
Xare

Xare

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Resinhound said:
Yes,yes I know..cant have leaves blocking light...doing their job,now can we.
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Not if they are blocking light to a lower budsite, no. Because if you dont get light to the lower budsite then it will turn into popcorn buds that are wispy and not dense.

And when you remove the fan leaves light is able to get to the budsites and make them bigger.

Are you trying to grow bud or leaf ?
 
tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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Xare said:
Your Argument isnt valid, because the purpose of Defoliating is NOT to grow bigger main buds. That is not where you make up extra yield.

When you Defoliate you allow light to reach the lower bud sites and it fills in the canopy better. The smaller buds become larger and add to your overall yield. It makes for a more efficient grow.

The top cola budsites are already in the full brightness of the light, because they are above everything else and they never get shaded.

When you are defoliating you want to remove the large fan leaves that block the light from reaching the lower bud sites so that they can fill in and swell up, instead of becoming popcorn fluffy nugs.

So you end up with alot more of your weight from the lower buds from the rest of the canopy, not top budsites, those stay the same.
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If u keep an even canopy u dont have to worry about popcorn nugs, with A good light supply WP_20151214_18_06_50_Rich.jpg LIKE THIS. U DONT NEED SHITTY DEFOLIATION
 
saiyaneye

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VERY Nice plant.

I am going to take some before and afters of mine, going to be a bit for them to bounce back. I am in VEG THOUGH, I dont like doing this but like once in flowering :p I am waiting on my plant to respond to FIM also.

You will laugh at it when I pull leaves off in veg.
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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blowinmaryfast said:
You're obviously an experienced grower. 808 I'm not looking to change your mind just for u not to call us all dumb as fuck. Obviously this could be strain dependent as some are more finicky to any pruning but I haven't ran defoliation on them for these reasons. It seems to work well with most indica strains. My cripy og loves it also. Alternatively Sour d has no prob with it but I keep her on a totally diff set up bc the it's whole deal... Haha. I try to be as organic as possible with the sour d. My all day medication.

Anyhow. I run a 1-2 week veg so I'm not getting much over growth to cut away for even penetrating light. I will however clip the oldest, largest fan leaves that are shading lower nodes without any other change to my regimen. Once flowering I will de leaf a couple of sessions as needed. Never past week 3. Water once after de leaf. I have noticed my frequently fed plants in much smaller containers will rebound within a couple days. Completely "clothed" within a week. With that said I see no decrease in the bud growth. Only tighter packing of the nodes. Possibly a more even canopy. I could skip a fn rock across my canopy but Its not an abusive cut. Lol. I have cut my littles down from nearly a 7grams per plant. To2-2.5 grams. Per 1.6oz of dispensary Quality meds. When defoliate in flower I'm looking to have all the older ,large ,rugged leaves taken. its sort of going by eye at this point. I'm not stripping every fan leaf. That WOUlD be nuts. I'd say 70% of fans taken off.
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I literally did not call ANYONE dumb as fuck, but whoever wrote that defoliation thread with over 300 pages can feel free to wear the shoe! Both of them!

Let me ask you, how much longer does your harvest take after removing 70% of the "oldest" fans during week 2-3 (you mean the fans above node 4/5 right? Not the old ones on the bottom). Btw i dont consider myself experienced, all those dudes in that "bandwagon" you speak of grow some top notch sativa's every fucking season that makes my flowers look like shit.
 
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