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bro54209

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Hey rollers, so I am feeling very stressed. I started my first real attempt on h'ween this year. I have a 4x2 veg going at max capacity and a 4x4 at 90% capacity with some already 4 weeks since i flowered on thanks giving. Ive got my mother of blue dream chosen and is quite beautiful and much healthier than the others.
However Ive been running into deficiencies and burns like no other. They all looked amazing a month in and a month later even the mother is getting sick! D': HELP

So Ive been using Fox farm ocean forest with 35% perlite And have regretfully chosen fox farms as my nute line. I absolutely hate fox farms. I can never feed them at a quarter strength or even an 8th without worrying that it'll fuck them up. Ive been studying others advice on defs all over the forums the past month and am still struggling on what the f I should do.

I don't know if watering 3-4 times a week was too much? in the first feeding around their 6th day from seed (transplanted day 5 into solo cup from root plug) i was dumb and fed them the recommended 6 tbs of big bloom and nuked the shit out of them. Luckily they were able to recover then i had watered once or twice and nuked them again with a tsp of grow big and realized how powerful the nutes are. They had a huge spurt from the feeding but looked sick. I Was trying to stay on a routine of watering mon fri and sun, feeding wed and dry other 3 days but i realized they needed a bit more dry time when they were at that month mark. So i was trying to do a bunch of shit to fix the first Def i noticed which i thought was 'calmag' so i got a botanicare calmag which has nitrogen and iron (fuck!) so i was thinking i was seeing cal issues with the wrinklage and mag with the lower fan leaves having intervenal chlorosis. I only fed cal mag 3 times this past month or so once at a tsp one at a quarter then a half or so. I noticed how green my plants were the first time and now realized that im having nitrogen toxicity with that other supplement. I had started making sure i was feeding 6.5ph a month in after a month of first using bottled water then a week or so using half n half bottled and tap unphd which was alkaline at about 7.5 so now i corrected ph and was trying to litterally feed on average about 3tsp of big bloom and 2tsp gro big n an 8th of calmag per week. I was trying to flush 2 weeks ago and noticed it helped but was having lots of stress signs. Yellow thin wispy leaves for new growth made me think zinc def but was confused with the tap water having enough apparently. I was figuring iron (similar symptoms) might not be absorbing cuz of ph being too high, i really don't know. I also noticed a limish green color to some indicating sulphur def. lots of leaves are tearing. And lots of yellow wispy leaves lots of bunching up.

Ive seen lots of probs after trying to feed lightly after flushing so i felt like perhaps the roots might be locked out and since i was feeding only 3tsp of big bloom a week where it recommends 6tbs i figured feeding just 6 tsp big bloom might help.
Nope.
More issues. Lots of stress on my flowers and mother and on me. Im pretty sure my issue is nute lockout.
How should i get back on a healthy routine after a rocky start? I was wondering if I should try and Craigslist the fox farm bullshit and get something like roots organic or general hydro or floragro. Could i simply pick up where i left off on the last week of veg for the vegers and start feeding the flowers week 4? Santa please help me bring my plants back to health
 

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az2000

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bro54209 said:
I have a 4x2 veg going at max capacity and a 4x4 at 90% capacity
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This is your first grow? I would have started a little smaller.

bro54209 said:
I don't know if watering 3-4 times a week was too much?
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If the soil is dry, I don't think that's too often. When my plants are grown into the container, I water every 2-3 days (depending on how completely the plant has grown into the container.).

I couldn't follow everything you've done. But, I wouldn't change things. Stay with the FF. Someone swears by FF and says feed once a week, water once a week. Since you added perlite you might not make it that long. But, that could give you an idea of how much to feed on a weekly basis.
 
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Im glad you think they're looking great, hopefully im just a concerned parent over a tiny little bruise. I still feel as if they're sorta sickly in response to what I'm doing so at least im in tune with my babies. I swear something is up because the deficiencies seem to worsen whenever i feed nutes and gets sorta better when i water but as if they're still hungry, here's some leaves i plucked seems like a few nunitrogens mostly mag some sulphur and weird distortions. and im seriously pissed i forgot to get epson salt agsin! Im seriously going to feed some epson salt and perhaps a tad big bloomsunday and grow big if i feel like they're ready- right now id plan to hardly give a quarter tsp grow big that may worsen the problem
 

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I swear something is up because the deficiencies seem to worsen whenever i feed nutes
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That sounds like overfeeding, but the plucked leaves don't look that way (nor do they look like the plants in the photos.). I think you may be killing them with kindness. A helicopter mom (or dad).

The way Fox Farm Ocean Forest has nutrients in it, makes it confusing (IMO) what you should or shouldn't be doing in terms of feed. There was another thread about how the FF products work together.

I would stop trying to have the perfect grow, stop trying to "save" them, and think of it as a learning experience. (You're going to have a lot to apply to your next grow.). Next time you grow, consider a perpetual grow so you could start a new plant every 2 weeks, or a couple plants every month. That's a fast way to get experience trying various things. You don't have to wait for the entire crop to finish before trying something different.
 
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I'm glad you think I'm being over protective, rather be safe than finding them burnt to a crisp with neglect. I fed the 21st 6tsp big boom, watered on 23rd then 25th and just an hour ago fed them 1/2tsp big bloom, 1/4 grow big, and **3/8 tsp of epson salt for first time to both and then added 1/4tsp tiger bloom to flower only, a gallon for veg a gal for flower, wasn't going to be able to get runoff from my flowers so i had to dilute a tad bit of water to the gallon to give them enough to drip for any salts. Im happy i actually fed them an hr b4 the light came on rather than a couples hours into the cycle. Temps were at 63 degs when they woke up think they're up to ~66 now and when the 600watter comes on for flower hopefully they'll stay at a comfortable 75 degrees. Humidity is around 55% bit less for flower
 
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Ok so that Epson salt definitely had helped in some respect it seems, but it'll take a while for them all to recover. Im going to supplement some gypsum today, because it's really this crispiness and yellowing base>tip that makes me think I'm needing to supplement cal even though theres not really brown spots which I read was usually difficult to diagnose because its usually accompanied with other deficiencies. I noticed these yellow leaves in the flower room and immediately suspected that the stretch+ hardly any grow big in flower was causing a N def but theyre green and brown on the edges yellowing base>tip which I thought N was tip>base? I know the red solo should've been transplanted long ago but I ran out of soil and need to get some more. Does the long stretch between the nodes on the solo look like a symptom of sulphur aswell? ill upload the pic in a sec
 
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