Netflix's Making A Murderer

Diabolical666

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dude, I watched this allll day yesterday...3 eps in? shiiiit it is the fucking all time most horrifying show I ever seen.

I read a bit about it before it started: a lawyer and a film maker got together and did this doc, took them 10 years to do it. No one would pick up this doc, but netflix took it and they were smart for doing it. Its a great interpretation of how fucked our system is.
 

qwizoking

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never admit. a neighbor at one of my traps did (got 60) did 12 years for 2 murders and on parole or whatever till 28..
if you sign anything take plea you have to do time.my ex wifes mom got 25years instead of 60 for snitching..except now its day for day 25year. that was 98 i think


messed up system

i might give the show a watch
maybe, that commercial wasnt that great
 
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meristem

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I'm looking for a new show to watch with my daughter. Curious George is getting old. Is this appropriate for a 3 year old?

The title says no, but titles are misleading sometimes. Saw 3D was not nearly as innocent and cool as it sounded.
Are you fucking serious? Curious George don't get old. Neither does

George of the Jungle. George, George, George of the jungle....

WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!

And this doc was amazing!
 

Pinworm

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'Making a Murderer’ Left Out Crucial Facts, Prosecutor Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/arts/television/ken-kratz-making-a-murderer.html?_r=0
Since Netflix released the documentary “Making a Murderer” in mid-December, its imprisoned central character has received a wave of support, including more than 275,000 signatures on apetition asking President Obama to pardon him.

The 10-part series, by the filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, depicts a true-crime saga that seethes with troubling questions over whether Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man convicted of the 2005 murder of a young woman, was framed by law enforcement officials.

But the prosecutor in the case, Ken Kratz, said viewersconvinced of Mr. Avery’s innocence did not get to see important evidence that led a jury to convict him.

The series “really presents misinformation,” Mr. Kratz said in an interview on Monday.

He portrayed the program as a tool of Mr. Avery’s defense and accused the filmmakers of intentionally withholding facts that would lead viewers to see his guilt.

Ms. Ricciardi, Ms. Demos and one of Mr. Avery’s lawyers, Dean Strang, disputed Mr. Kratz’s remarks in interviews on Monday, arguing that the documentary couldn’t have included every facet of the case.

“Our opinion is that we included the state’s most compelling evidence,” Ms. Ricciardi said.

Mr. Strang echoed that view. “No one’s going to watch a 600-hour movie of gavel-to-gavel, unedited coverage of a trial,” he said.

“Making a Murderer” has given rise to an army of armchair detectives since its release the week before Christmas. Ten years in the making, the film tracks the legal troubles of Mr. Avery, the part owner of an auto salvage yard who, in 2003, was freed after 18 years in prison when DNA evidence cleared him in a 1985 sexual assault.

He later sued Manitowoc County, Wis., officials for $36 million. Then in 2005, shortly after several county officials were deposed over their handling of evidence in the case, Mr. Avery was accused once again. This time, he was charged with the murder of Teresa Halbach, a 25-year-old photographer who had visited his property to take pictures of a vehicle for Auto Trader magazine.

In 2007, Mr. Avery was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole. The same year, his 16-year-old nephew, Brendan Dassey, was convicted of participating in the murder as well as the sexual assault of Ms. Halbach. He is serving life with the possibility of early release in 2048.

A second petition at Whitehouse.gov with more than 70,000 signatures calls on Mr. Obama to pardon Mr. Dassey along with Mr. Avery. (The president only has the power to grant pardons for crimes prosecuted under federal, not state, law.)

The documentary impugns the criminal justice system’s pursuit of Mr. Avery and Mr. Dassey at nearly every turn, pointing the finger at investigators, prosecutors and a defense lawyer who was assigned to Mr. Dassey.

The most explosive contention comes from Mr. Avery’s defense team — that law enforcement officials planted evidence to frame him.

On Monday, Mr. Kratz called the scenario “nonsense,” and he said the jury in Mr. Avery’s trial considered evidence either left out or glossed over by the filmmakers.

That evidence included DNA from Mr. Avery’s sweat found on a latch under the hood of Ms. Halbach’s Toyota RAV4, a discovery made by investigators after they were led there by Mr. Dassey, Mr. Kratz said.

Mr. Avery’s blood was found inside Ms. Halbach’s vehicle, and the documentary explains the defense theory that it could have been planted there by officers who had access to a vial of his blood. Sweat, however, never came up.

“How do you get Avery’s sweat underneath a hood latch of a vehicle?” Mr. Kratz said. “That is completely inconsistent with any kind of planting.”

Mr. Kratz also said a bullet with Ms. Halbach’s DNA on it found in Mr. Avery’s garage was matched to a rifle that hung over Mr. Avery’s bed. The gun was confiscated when officers searched his trailer on Nov. 5, 2005, and the bullet was found in the garage in March 2006, Mr. Kratz said.

“If they planted it, how did they get a bullet that was shot from Avery’s gun before Nov. 5?” he said.

Mr. Strang, the defense attorney, said on Monday that the DNA found under the hood was never identified as sweat and that its presence did not require that Mr. Avery touched the car. And bullet fragments were all over the property, where the family often shot guns. That Ms. Halbach’s DNA was on the bullet “really didn’t move the needle one way or another,” Mr. Strang said.

Mr. Kratz acknowledged some missteps in the handling of Mr. Avery’s case, saying he wished the Manitowoc County sheriff’s deputies had been less involved in the investigation. “That made the case a little more challenging for me, because I certainly took every step to keep those people out of it,” he said.

He also expressed regret about a news conference he held when Mr. Dassey was charged in early 2006. The documentary portrayed the prosecutor’s lurid description of the rape and murder of Ms. Halbach in front of a bank of news microphones as polluting the potential juror pool.

Mr. Kratz thought, at the time, that it was important to refute accusations of wrongdoing by law enforcement officers, he said.

“In retrospect, I wish I would have simply released the complaint and allowed the media to cover that however they wanted to,” he said.

Ms. Ricciardi and Ms. Demos on Monday disputed the idea that they were working on Mr. Avery’s behalf. They were inspired to create the documentary after reading about the new charges against him on the front page of The New York Times in 2005, Ms. Ricciardi said.

“He was uniquely positioned to take us and viewers from one extreme of the American criminal justice system to the other,” she said.

Ms. Ricciardi rejected the accusations of bias from Mr. Kratz, saying that his refusal to be interviewed for the documentary rendered them baseless. Mr. Kratz, who resigned as prosecutor in 2010, said he declined to participate because he did not believe the film would be impartial.

Neither the groundswell of outrage over the case, nor the attacks that have been directed at him personally, have shaken Mr. Kratz’s certainty that justice was served.

“Steven Avery committed this murder and this mutilation, and Steven Avery is exactly where he needs to be,” he said. “And I don’t have any qualms about that, nor do I lose any sleep over that.”
Crazy what cops can get away with.
 

oldtimer54

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I watched all 10 episodes in 2 days lastweek. I was a little familiar with the case prior to watching any episodes
Several years back one of the many crime shows on TV ran a 1 hour episode on Avery.
That show already had him convicted of the crime before the program was over.
Stay away from Manitowoc county Wisconsin.
 

bu$hleaguer

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'Making a Murderer’ Left Out Crucial Facts, Prosecutor Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/arts/television/ken-kratz-making-a-murderer.html?_r=0


Crazy what cops can get away with.
Dude fuck that scumbag. Kratz. Fucking scumbag ended up resigning for sexting some chick. Loser. "I'm the prize" lol what a fucking cockbag.

Anyway, a few buddies of mine went to the manotowac Facebook page I think it was or their webpage? And left comments. Hilarious shit, stuff like they plant evidence, 1 star reviews, etc. if I remember I'll leave em a review this afternoon. Fuckers.
 

MonkeyGrinder

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I'm kind of on the fence about the whole thing. With Steve there's the whole vehicle thing on the property. Then the "fresh" blood inside of it. It was tested mind you. How well it was tested is up for speculation. I think his attorney stated they tested one swab. But those swabs were probably handled by the local and state agencies before it got shipped off to fed land. All people who had something once he took his chunk of change from his wrongful imprisonment bux from his first conviction.
On the other hand there's the part where dude did years in prison for something he didn't do. A normal guy going into something like that and coming out is a hit or miss situation as to whether or not he comes out all screwy in the head.
The whole thing about the vehicle being parked there and "Why wouldn't he just crush it"
The thing is Steve in reality isn't a smart man. Back in the day before he was put in the pokey the world was ran mostly by analogue and paper systems. Records etc. Back in those days it wasn't hard at all to swap vin #s out from an old vehicle you owned (where the junkyard comes in) to a new one and get away with it. I know a guy who ran that scam in the 80s and made a killing doing so. He actually got caught and did only 3 out of 5. But he made enough doing that as to where the time being locked up really wasn't an issue. A lot of people who are incarcerated for more than 10 years are generally blown the hell away by the progress of things when they do get out. He probably figured he could just do the same thing and get away with it. Theoretically anyways.
But then again the county/state had a whole lot to lose when (not if) Steve got his pokeybux. That small town sheriffs department/court would have had to empty out it's coffers and probably downsize with the employees there. It's no different than any other business. Putting the people in comfy spots like the "prize" DA into positions where the powers above them would be looking to toss in a guy making quite a bit less than him. And you could flat out tell that judge was out to screw him period with everything.
It wouldn't be too hard to sneak up into that place and toss some bone fragments into the firepit. And pulling a vehicle into the spot it was at in the dark with no headlights on and getting out of there without being spotted would be easy as can be as well. Pull the fuses out for the brake lights and those are now a non issue. So it COULD be done. Not to mention the key that was never found the first time they searched the place. Buuuuuut how hard is it to hide a key?
Listening to the DA and his lot talk about corruption and trying to act like it's a small town so everyone there is wholesome was just some utter bullshit. Small towns are THE WORST when it comes to crap like that. That's why it's called the good ole boy system.

As far as his nephew is concerned there were several screw ups from the start. First off his first PD threw him to the wolves and had dealings all over the place. Textbook conflict of interests. Even if he is a PD his "duty" is to his client. After seeing the post trial stuff it made me pretty disgusted with all the BS that was going on there.
He was screwed by a bunch of predators pretty much. He did "admit" things but I can also see where he's borderline retarded and coercing him to a false confession would be child's play. There's also the part where his cousin sold him out and told loads of stuff to her school counselor but then swapped it up when she was on the witness stand. On one hand she's a stupid teenage girl and could have been doing it for attention. On the other hand it very well could have been true.
It's an ugly situation all around.
Unfortunately some poor girl had to deal with some horrid fate no matter what the situation is with the Dasseys. Whether her former pig ex lost his shit and messed her up. Or if she was butchered in a junkyard. The only people who know the truth of that are the ones involved.
It's times like this where things like SP-117 or various other narcotics interrogations could and would probably shed some light on things.
 

bu$hleaguer

Well-Known Member
I'm kind of on the fence about the whole thing. With Steve there's the whole vehicle thing on the property. Then the "fresh" blood inside of it. It was tested mind you. How well it was tested is up for speculation. I think his attorney stated they tested one swab. But those swabs were probably handled by the local and state agencies before it got shipped off to fed land. All people who had something once he took his chunk of change from his wrongful imprisonment bux from his first conviction.
On the other hand there's the part where dude did years in prison for something he didn't do. A normal guy going into something like that and coming out is a hit or miss situation as to whether or not he comes out all screwy in the head.
The whole thing about the vehicle being parked there and "Why wouldn't he just crush it"
The thing is Steve in reality isn't a smart man. Back in the day before he was put in the pokey the world was ran mostly by analogue and paper systems. Records etc. Back in those days it wasn't hard at all to swap vin #s out from an old vehicle you owned (where the junkyard comes in) to a new one and get away with it. I know a guy who ran that scam in the 80s and made a killing doing so. He actually got caught and did only 3 out of 5. But he made enough doing that as to where the time being locked up really wasn't an issue. A lot of people who are incarcerated for more than 10 years are generally blown the hell away by the progress of things when they do get out. He probably figured he could just do the same thing and get away with it. Theoretically anyways.
But then again the county/state had a whole lot to lose when (not if) Steve got his pokeybux. That small town sheriffs department/court would have had to empty out it's coffers and probably downsize with the employees there. It's no different than any other business. Putting the people in comfy spots like the "prize" DA into positions where the powers above them would be looking to toss in a guy making quite a bit less than him. And you could flat out tell that judge was out to screw him period with everything.
It wouldn't be too hard to sneak up into that place and toss some bone fragments into the firepit. And pulling a vehicle into the spot it was at in the dark with no headlights on and getting out of there without being spotted would be easy as can be as well. Pull the fuses out for the brake lights and those are now a non issue. So it COULD be done. Not to mention the key that was never found the first time they searched the place. Buuuuuut how hard is it to hide a key?
Listening to the DA and his lot talk about corruption and trying to act like it's a small town so everyone there is wholesome was just some utter bullshit. Small towns are THE WORST when it comes to crap like that. That's why it's called the good ole boy system.

As far as his nephew is concerned there were several screw ups from the start. First off his first PD threw him to the wolves and had dealings all over the place. Textbook conflict of interests. Even if he is a PD his "duty" is to his client. After seeing the post trial stuff it made me pretty disgusted with all the BS that was going on there.
He was screwed by a bunch of predators pretty much. He did "admit" things but I can also see where he's borderline retarded and coercing him to a false confession would be child's play. There's also the part where his cousin sold him out and told loads of stuff to her school counselor but then swapped it up when she was on the witness stand. On one hand she's a stupid teenage girl and could have been doing it for attention. On the other hand it very well could have been true.
It's an ugly situation all around.
Unfortunately some poor girl had to deal with some horrid fate no matter what the situation is with the Dasseys. Whether her former pig ex lost his shit and messed her up. Or if she was butchered in a junkyard. The only people who know the truth of that are the ones involved.
It's times like this where things like SP-117 or various other narcotics interrogations could and would probably shed some light on things.
Don't have time to write much in a response to this but you should read some of the latest stuff. There's all sorts of sites with info on the web, just search Steven Avery. Like 6 hours ago he made comments about how his brothers may have done it. Good stoner investigation material.
 

MonkeyGrinder

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Yeah I've seen quite a few threads on various imageboards where users are being semi organized and pretty much trying to crack into text and call records of the sheriffs department. It DOES look fishy from an outsiders perspective when it comes to the whole DNA evidence and how things turned the way they did.
 

bu$hleaguer

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Yeah I've seen quite a few threads on various imageboards where users are being semi organized and pretty much trying to crack into text and call records of the sheriffs department. It DOES look fishy from an outsiders perspective when it comes to the whole DNA evidence and how things turned the way they did.
I get most annoyed at the Brendan case. That kid was just too dumb and is serving life for stupidity. His first attorney should be disbarred immediately.
 
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