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UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
It's not that the Mexicans are unwanted....They can be a drain on public resources and don't pay taxes unless they have a work visa.
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and there it is.

you should probably review the facts before making dumbass statements like that.

and your plan to round up and deport millions of people here is stupid and a waste of money. and it smacks of nazi germany.

ditto on your fascist fence. half of all people here illegally came here legally. your fence is fucking useless and is defeated by a ladder.
 
2ANONYMOUS

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Flaming Pie said:
It's not that the Mexicans are unwanted.

It is that there are not enough people to patrol a border that large without some type of fence to aid them.

Countries like to know who is within their borders for security and financial reasons.

What we should do is enforce the laws in place.

The police however do not have authority to hold the criminals for more than 48 hours in some states for pick up from immigration. So they are released back onto the streets.

They can be a drain on public resources and don't pay taxes unless they have a work visa.

Crime and money. We can't stop criminals from coming in with an unsecured border and we can't support the needs of those that haven't contributed to the taxes of that state. Our police and resources are stretched thin.

What needs to happen is a double fence with a road, cameras and stations every 10 miles keeping watch with vehicles and national Guard.

Streamline the legal immigration process so they can enter the US in 18 months. Why can Syrian refugees with no papers be vetted that fast and Mexicans who seek legal citizenship and have documentation wait 5-10 years? We must bring it down to 18 months.

Then enforce the immigration law on people with no children and deport them. Those with children apply for citizenship and are treated as if on probation for the 18 months to make sure they complete the process. Violating the agreement for citizenship application or failing to work out an agreement in cases of lacking funds will be deported.

Allow police to hold criminal illegals until Immigration comes to deport them and federally reimburse the state for any expenses involved in housing the criminal in place of immigration.

Secure the border. Streamline application for citizenship down to 18 months. Remove unattached illegals present. Offer probationary application for citizenship to families with children or sick elderly. Empower the police to hold criminals as long as necessary for immigration to deport.
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Its ironic now isn't it i mean Canada / US border is stupid tight i wonder which border is bigger ??? lol
it seems that these 2 big country borders are managed pretty good yet you have a issue over a much smaller border ,, of mexico that is like the berlin walll lol how can those 5 footer jump so high lol
 
pnwmystery

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Flaming Pie said:
It's not that the Mexicans are unwanted.

It is that there are not enough people to patrol a border that large without some type of fence to aid them.

Countries like to know who is within their borders for security and financial reasons.

What we should do is enforce the laws in place.

The police however do not have authority to hold the criminals for more than 48 hours in some states for pick up from immigration. So they are released back onto the streets.

They can be a drain on public resources and don't pay taxes unless they have a work visa.

Crime and money. We can't stop criminals from coming in with an unsecured border and we can't support the needs of those that haven't contributed to the taxes of that state. Our police and resources are stretched thin.

What needs to happen is a double fence with a road, cameras and stations every 10 miles keeping watch with vehicles and national Guard.

Streamline the legal immigration process so they can enter the US in 18 months. Why can Syrian refugees with no papers be vetted that fast and Mexicans who seek legal citizenship and have documentation wait 5-10 years? We must bring it down to 18 months.

Then enforce the immigration law on people with no children and deport them. Those with children apply for citizenship and are treated as if on probation for the 18 months to make sure they complete the process. Violating the agreement for citizenship application or failing to work out an agreement in cases of lacking funds will be deported.

Allow police to hold criminal illegals until Immigration comes to deport them and federally reimburse the state for any expenses involved in housing the criminal in place of immigration.

Secure the border. Streamline application for citizenship down to 18 months. Remove unattached illegals present. Offer probationary application for citizenship to families with children or sick elderly. Empower the police to hold criminals as long as necessary for immigration to deport.
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The cost to build 1 mile of fence along the US-Mexico border costs ~2.9 million dollars. GAO estime for a length of fence in San Diego was 16 million dollars. There's 1,300 miles of border, so we're looking at a cost of $12 billion for a fence, to build a wall estimates run up to $22.4 billion. Then we'd have to maintain it which the GAO estimates would cost $750 million/year. Yeah, that's some super fiscally conservative right there.
 
2ANONYMOUS

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UncleBuck said:
file that away with your conspiracy about the holocaust not happening.
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Whats there to fire away lets see here
conspiracy theories that became true ,, mind you 911 sure got cleaned up Fast not allowing more investigation into it i mean really that stuff was loaded up fast and gone metal off to get melted ASAP,, when a plane crashes or a serious vehicle accident causing DEATH of only 1 person the place is wraped in yellow ribbon and closed of for hrs as CSI or whom ever looks at everything but again NOT 911 with how many dead 2900 and change and next day they were already getting rid of the evidence at the crime scene Ah smells like a cover up in a nut shell .. NO >>>>????
And how could anyone ever imagine firefighters and police , ambulance personal, and sanitation personal all 2500 of them also getting same disease Cancer hmm could it been a plasma nuke blast coming from a missile dropped down at mach 3 people would not even of seen it yet these High doses of Radiation has caused 2500 personal that were there to help GET CANCER hmmmmmm how ironic now isn't it
 
Fogdog

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Not GOP said:
You're not a hot emo babe are you? Nobody is gay for buck except your buddy fogdog. The guy who keeps going on and on about Muslims not celebrating 9/11, and then again not deliberately attacking our embassy 9/11. Because Muslims love us so much. Ya, sure buddy
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In a national debate, Trump called Muslim-Americans by the "thousands and thousands" -- haters of the US and basically calling them traitors. This is a serious thing to lie about and use for political gain. You seem to have the hots for fat balding rich shitheads and so are willing to overlook his demagoguery. Typical conservative.

Not GOP said:
The more you keep trying to make Trump look like he lied, the more proof I will show you he is right.
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Backing off from your bold statement are you? Turning to sniveling to UB are you?
 
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Flaming Pie

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UncleBuck said:
and there it is.

you should probably review the facts before making dumbass statements like that.

and your plan to round up and deport millions of people here is stupid and a waste of money. and it smacks of nazi germany.

ditto on your fascist fence. half of all people here illegally came here legally. your fence is fucking useless and is defeated by a ladder.
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We want legal Mexican immigration. Ignored from here on out.

Tired of your retarded misrepresentation of me. Now I won't have to see your slanderous hateful spew. Have fun in the sand box.

My husband and mother in law are mexican. Bye.
 
Flaming Pie

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pnwmystery said:
The cost to build 1 mile of fence along the US-Mexico border costs ~2.9 million dollars. GAO estime for a length of fence in San Diego was 16 million dollars. There's 1,300 miles of border, so we're looking at a cost of $12 billion for a fence, to build a wall estimates run up to $22.4 billion. Then we'd have to maintain it which the GAO estimates would cost $750 million/year. Yeah, that's some super fiscally conservative right there.
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Running a country and defending a country costs money. It should have been done a long time ago.
 
pnwmystery

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Flaming Pie said:
Running a country and defending a country costs money. It should have been done a long time ago.
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Oh for Christ's sake. "We shouldn't have unnecessary spending in government," Is one of the GOP's/conservatives biggest tag lines. This is the epitome of unnecessary spending. A fucking. wall. across. the US. Mexican. border. Do you think it's really going to stop anything? No. It won't. Not unless we're then willing to build it out into the ocean, and across the Gulf of Mexico. The cost is unbelievable, the man power it would take inflates the cost, it would take years to build, and the price tag to maintain is unfeasible .
 
Not GOP

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pnwmystery said:
He was on the show, and yes it was/is very popular. Sorry about the dismissive nature of the original post since you didn't know about the show.
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I knew about the show. Just never really watched it, or thought of him as a star. I've seen more of Trump on TV in the past six months than ever before
 
pnwmystery

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Flaming Pie said:
Running a country and defending a country costs money. It should have been done a long time ago.
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Oh and here's the even better part. Donald Trump says we're not going to pay for it. He's going to make Mexico pay for it. Tell me, how do you think we're going to force Mexico to pay it? Are we going to...

A) Put an economic embargo on Mexico until they buckle and pay for the wall?
B) Are we going to invade Mexico and force them to pay for the wall?

If we go with plan A we cripple one of our largest trading partners and one of our energy suppliers. The net effect of this would be crippling the US economy at the same time. Then again, this is par for the course for the Republicans.

If we go with plan B we open up a shit can of worms, but then again this is par for the course with the Republicans - getting us into a war that we can't really win in a fucking desert.

Having a husband and a mother-in-law from Mexico I would've thought you'd be smarter than this.
 
Not GOP

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Who cares how much the wall costs when Trump knows how to build, and Mexico will be the ones paying for it

 
Flaming Pie

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pnwmystery said:
Oh for Christ's sake. "We shouldn't have unnecessary spending in government," Is one of the GOP's/conservatives biggest tag lines. This is the epitome of unnecessary spending. A fucking. wall. across. the US. Mexican. border. Do you think it's really going to stop anything? No. It won't. Not unless we're then willing to build it out into the ocean, and across the Gulf of Mexico. The cost is unbelievable, the man power it would take inflates the cost, it would take years to build, and the price tag to maintain is unfeasible .
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We spent 90 billion on border security now. 700 million to maintain a fence is a less than 1% increase.[/QUOTE]
 
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