Lighting, best for cannabis.

[KryptoBud]

"... Ye shall believe when you see. But to see, ye must first believe"

This sounds more like the really long wanderings of the third coming.

Anyway science is reproducible, so I'm afraid you can't dismiss it. Everything else is just bullshit

Is it possible this is simply another ass-troll making up crazy shit? Seems to crazy

 

[bluntwrapp]

Is science not the religion of the west? I would bet theres been just as many atrocities done in the name of science as there has been in the name of religion. Anyway, why do you all hide behind the name of science when any information contradicts your learning. Science has been idolised as the freer of all stupidity, but in reality creates more victims of it. If the disgusting posts ive read on this thread directed at the OP comes from minds who put science in highest esteem I think they would do better to practice a religion/philosophy such as buddhism As for science "If it works its true, if it doesn't..forget about it"- RAW

 

[elkamino]

Is science not the religion of the west?

No, not at all.

"...Science is not religion and it doesn’t just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion’s virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence in its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops. Why else would Christians wax critical of doubting Thomas? The other apostles are held up to us as exemplars of virtue because faith was enough for them. Doubting Thomas, on the other hand, required evidence. Perhaps he should be the patron saint of scientists.

One reason I receive the comment about science being a religion is because I believe in the fact of evolution. I even believe in it with passionate conviction. To some, this may superficially look like faith. But the evidence that makes me believe in evolution is not only overwhelmingly strong; it is freely available to anyone who takes the trouble to read up on it. Anyone can study the same evidence that I have and presumably come to the same conclusion. But if you have a belief that is based solely on faith, I can’t examine your reasons. You can retreat behind the private wall of faith where I can’t reach you.

Science is actually one of the most moral, one of the most honest disciplines around — because science would completely collapse if it weren’t for a scrupulous adherence to honesty in the reporting of evidence. (As James Randi has pointed out, this is one reason why scientists are so often fooled by paranormal tricksters and why the debunking role is better played by professional conjurors; scientists just don’t anticipate deliberate dishonesty as well.) There are other professions (no need to mention lawyers specifically) in which falsifying evidence or at least twisting it is precisely what people are paid for and get brownie points for doing.

Science, then, is free of the main vice of religion, which is faith.

-Richard Dawkins

 

[Rrog]

Thank you

 

[KryptoBud]

http://clear-uk.org/the-importance-of-matured-cannabis/
Great read that brought me back to this thread, for anyone whos interested, its geared towards the negative effects caused by unripe bud .. heres a taster...
"Whether it's an equatorial sativa, or a skunk plant, or whatever, grown to a proper point of maturity, they will have a CBD ratio which lessens or completely negates risk of any psychoses in the user demographic of cannabis as much as the many other Oxidase stabilisers. Cannabis strains all have a balance at maturity which simply is not present in immature cannabis, even high ratio THC/THCv strains have that balance which lessens or negates risk of pyschoses, even though the CBD ratio may be low, nature has done a balancing trick, all have CBD without exception at maturity. As we know, some high CBD strains/hybrids can actually treat psychosis"...."Raw, un-oxidised THC, acts on the brain receptors, in a similar way to amphetamines and prolonged use of amphetamines does trigger psychosis, especially in conjunction with long periods of sleep deprivation. An effect of raw THC is it will deprive people of proper sleep because it over rev's the brain and chemicals usually produced by the brain during sleep periods which induce dream state are not produced properly and this leads to the detrimental effects as the cumulative consequences of over stimulating neurochemicals takes hold and the brain essentially snaps and misfires more and more, so a psychotic episode,"
Ties in with what the Rev says about maturing for cbd not breding. Anyway good thread before it got derailed!

Thanks for the link. Do have link to the rest where they explain how to breed cannabis with cactus?

 

[bluntwrapp]

Faith is not the medicine for the man who clings to his beliefs, instead it should be distrust and doubt he should make his ally. Doubt in all that he has been taught and distrust in those he has accepted as his teachers. If he doubts he may see through his delusions and may once again arive at his own truths. In the words of Mencius- The great end of learning is nothing else but to seek for the lost mind.
Peace

 

[SnaFuu]

Faith is not the medicine for the man who clings to his beliefs, instead it should be distrust and doubt he should make his ally. Doubt in all that he has been taught and distrust in those he has accepted as his teachers. If he doubts he may see through his delusions and may once again arive at his own truths. In the words of Mencius- The great end of learning is nothing else but to seek for the lost mind.
Peace

Yeah, but the link...??

 

[KryptoBud]

Faith is not the medicine for the man who clings to his beliefs, instead it should be distrust and doubt he should make his ally. Doubt in all that he has been taught and distrust in those he has accepted as his teachers. If he doubts he may see through his delusions and may once again arive at his own truths. In the words of Mencius- The great end of learning is nothing else but to seek for the lost mind.
Peace

 

[Rrog]

I'm most interested to hear about metabolites in the bud after growing for 18 months or whatever

This in and of itself is interesting, but there's not a stitch of data, testing, etc.

 

[bluntwrapp]

Yeah, but the link...??

Can't say I have a link for that information but theres no doubt in my mind that the op has a wealth of experience and knowlege when it comes to growing. He aint just spouting shit that hes read here and there. For one hes clearly tried a shed load of different lights and found what these plants react to best and at what stages. (observations-science at its best). He grows only with organic homemade teas, lets face it any noob can pick up a bottle of fert read the label and apply, it takes atleast a certain amount of knowlege and skill to be all organic and to experiment and get it right. I don't see what he would have to gain by coming on here and feeding people bullshit. I was lucky enough to get some partially ripened bud of dealer a couple months back, had never even seen amber trichomes on bud before cause everyone chops early, but this was the best shit I smoked without a doubt, totally therapeutic, and if the rev says it only gets better the more you ripen with the right spectrum then fuck yeah im in, the article I posted yesterday even backs this up. Ive also seen these plants left to flower a long time on hps and they dont ripen thats for sure. As for the rest of the stuff I don't know but I certainly can't disprove it and I ain't offended by it and I find it interesting, especially after a smoke

 

[bluntwrapp]

I'm most interested to hear about metabolites in the bud after growing for 18 months or whatever

This in and of itself is interesting, but there's not a stitch of data, testing, etc.

No doubt the rev did say he would post pics throughout his new grow and show us the plant going through each ripening stage and even get it tested so no harm done, it aint like hes tryna hide shit
Hes been cool as fuk from the get go even offering to send people free beans and joints when his product is finished to test, on top of what I think is some great info.....not many people offer that everyday

 

[Rrog]

Pictures are not going to back claims. We know what a weed plant looks like and I'm sure rev can grow a plant

This isn't about someone's ability to grow a plant. It's about the claims of the molecular composition. I question that, being the lab guy that I am

How can such claims be made with no testing whatsoever? It's just some dude talking without lab data

 

[420monster]

Look into plasma quite expensive tho

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[KryptoBud]

No doubt the rev did say he would post pics throughout his new grow and show us the plant going through each ripening stage and even get it tested so no harm done, it aint like hes tryna hide shit
Hes been cool as fuk from the get go even offering to send people free beans and joints when his product is finished to test, on top of what I think is some great info.....not many people offer that everyday

Have you read this thread? Honestly, or just skimmed threw it? It started in August, try to count the amount of times his claims were to be proven in a few weeks. 5 months later not one piece of proof. A few pics mean nothing. Certainly doesn't prove his claim or that he has a wealth of knowledge and tried all kinds of lighting tests. If i say I trained monkeys and put up a pic of a chimp does it make it true? I've never flowered a plant for a year so I have no first hand knowledge. I've also never jumped off my roof to see if I could fly so maybe....
I could never consider his light theory because of the bullshit being spewed. He calls himself the reverend but is Muslim/Islamic. there is no reverend it that religion.
He could cure disease overnight. All degenerative disease. He cured cancer, almost being paralyzed, lost 200lbs and west nile virus.
If you believe he can do it by some pics that's your choice. Personally I don't and the only thing that spews that much bullshit is an asshole in my opinion. What I posted is a small portion of the bs. When I think someone is that full of shit about one thing why would I believe anything else they say, why would any reasonable person? I have a hunch proof of any of it is non existent just like his god.

 

[tripleD]

No, not at all.

"...Science is not religion and it doesn’t just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion’s virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence in its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops. Why else would Christians wax critical of doubting Thomas? The other apostles are held up to us as exemplars of virtue because faith was enough for them. Doubting Thomas, on the other hand, required evidence. Perhaps he should be the patron saint of scientists.

One reason I receive the comment about science being a religion is because I believe in the fact of evolution. I even believe in it with passionate conviction. To some, this may superficially look like faith. But the evidence that makes me believe in evolution is not only overwhelmingly strong; it is freely available to anyone who takes the trouble to read up on it. Anyone can study the same evidence that I have and presumably come to the same conclusion. But if you have a belief that is based solely on faith, I can’t examine your reasons. You can retreat behind the private wall of faith where I can’t reach you.

Science is actually one of the most moral, one of the most honest disciplines around — because science would completely collapse if it weren’t for a scrupulous adherence to honesty in the reporting of evidence. (As James Randi has pointed out, this is one reason why scientists are so often fooled by paranormal tricksters and why the debunking role is better played by professional conjurors; scientists just don’t anticipate deliberate dishonesty as well.) There are other professions (no need to mention lawyers specifically) in which falsifying evidence or at least twisting it is precisely what people are paid for and get brownie points for doing.

Science, then, is free of the main vice of religion, which is faith.

-Richard Dawkins

When I was a child I thought as a child!
And when I became an adult, I did away with those childish ways!!

Science + Time = Truth

Richard Dawkins isn't my God....
But he certainly is my Savior!!

 

[Rrog]

I'm not into Dawkins at all, but I get your point

 

[tripleD]

How deep it is brother and why so important for those of us who have spent the money and time and even grief to learn, to share with others freely. Ole rev was shut down for years by the most high. My last postings were only here and nearly six years ago. I was dying inside and out and knew this tree held the key to mine and others freedom. Faith without works is dead and this tree and learning it was part of the works..huge part. I knew I had to trust gods guidance and combine all I had studied in life to see it for what it was. Did it work? No, not until I started learning humility the hard way...through my wife and what life was teaching my prideful and sick self. Then the doors opened and then there is no stopping it. You can't climb back up the hole. Next thing I know I'm being sent to 6000 year old Sumerian writings and its all to clear. The world has a dose of truth coming to it that will not be easily swallowed and this tree and its origins lead to that truth. The one of course the mischief makers don't want anybody to know. People who feel this is going to continue to be some big business are sadly mistaken and will not like me some for that, but they will see soon. The wisdom tree is about life, not money driven madness and continuing to charge people for healing and life. Make something from it, barter with one another, however the tree itself is free and will be again. We all have to live, but at what cost? Guess I learned to much empathy...pain taught me. My students say; you teach the opposite of everyone else? Yup, that's why true teachings are only usually heard by the poor ole guy who has nothing to loose. To accept means usually some kind of sacrifice, however its a sacrifice with allot of gain later and many cannot see the later part. Not everyone has time or the mental capacity to study and absorb it all and test most all of it. Those of us that the most high shut down for years, were given that opportunity, if we took it and now the desire to help is huge. People have to be willing and folks coming out of darkness have to also have thick skin for the haters and mischief makers can be cruel. Whatever, people being helped, if even a few, has to override the fear of redicule in a person and them just walk the path without worrying about the rest. I can be long winded, however god knows a mans heart and he knows mine and all of ours. One love, rev.thenatural

• Organized religion is responsible for more deaths than any other organized entity, including organized crime or government! And lets not forget about brainwashing (scientology) or molestation (catholic church)...
  
  The bible teaches & breeds some pretty sick sheut!
  
  

 

[tripleD]

How deep it is brother and why so important for those of us who have spent the money and time and even grief to learn, to share with others freely. Ole rev was shut down for years by the most high. My last postings were only here and nearly six years ago. I was dying inside and out and knew this tree held the key to mine and others freedom. Faith without works is dead and this tree and learning it was part of the works..huge part. I knew I had to trust gods guidance and combine all I had studied in life to see it for what it was. Did it work? No, not until I started learning humility the hard way...through my wife and what life was teaching my prideful and sick self. Then the doors opened and then there is no stopping it. You can't climb back up the hole. Next thing I know I'm being sent to 6000 year old Sumerian writings and its all to clear. The world has a dose of truth coming to it that will not be easily swallowed and this tree and its origins lead to that truth. The one of course the mischief makers don't want anybody to know. People who feel this is going to continue to be some big business are sadly mistaken and will not like me some for that, but they will see soon. The wisdom tree is about life, not money driven madness and continuing to charge people for healing and life. Make something from it, barter with one another, however the tree itself is free and will be again. We all have to live, but at what cost? Guess I learned to much empathy...pain taught me. My students say; you teach the opposite of everyone else? Yup, that's why true teachings are only usually heard by the poor ole guy who has nothing to loose. To accept means usually some kind of sacrifice, however its a sacrifice with allot of gain later and many cannot see the later part. Not everyone has time or the mental capacity to study and absorb it all and test most all of it. Those of us that the most high shut down for years, were given that opportunity, if we took it and now the desire to help is huge. People have to be willing and folks coming out of darkness have to also have thick skin for the haters and mischief makers can be cruel. Whatever, people being helped, if even a few, has to override the fear of redicule in a person and them just walk the path without worrying about the rest. I can be long winded, however god knows a mans heart and he knows mine and all of ours. One love, rev.thenatural

Your God makes mistakes, he repents, he orders a man to murder innocent children, he doesn't know how many feet that insects have, he condones slavery & rape, he gets jealous, he needs to rest as if he's mortal, he helps an individual in the bible during a battle but the individual still loses even with your almighty gods help!!!
I can keep going if you like, but I think you get it.... Your God & $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee.

Organized religion is responsible for more deaths than any other organized entity, including organized crime or government! And lets not forget about brainwashing (scientology) or molestation (catholic church)...

The bible teaches & breeds some pretty sick sheut!
you can try to spin it anyway you like, but I will take reason over hogwash all day long. I would rather be in the company of someone like Richard Dawkins or Albert Einstein any day rather than religious zealots like Jim Jones, Robert Tilton, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, David Koresh, Pat Robertson, Mathew Hale, Marshal Applewhite, etc etc

Science + Time= Truth

 

[whitebb2727]

Have you read this thread? Honestly, or just skimmed threw it? It started in August, try to count the amount of times his claims were to be proven in a few weeks. 5 months later not one piece of proof. A few pics mean nothing. Certainly doesn't prove his claim or that he has a wealth of knowledge and tried all kinds of lighting tests. If i say I trained monkeys and put up a pic of a chimp does it make it true? I've never flowered a plant for a year so I have no first hand knowledge. I've also never jumped off my roof to see if I could fly so maybe....
I could never consider his light theory because of the bullshit being spewed. He calls himself the reverend but is Muslim/Islamic. there is no reverend it that religion.
He could cure disease overnight. All degenerative disease. He cured cancer, almost being paralyzed, lost 200lbs and west nile virus.
If you believe he can do it by some pics that's your choice. Personally I don't and the only thing that spews that much bullshit is an asshole in my opinion. What I posted is a small portion of the bs. When I think someone is that full of shit about one thing why would I believe anything else they say, why would any reasonable person? I have a hunch proof of any of it is non existent just like his god.

I'm not saying I buy into it.

I am however interested at what chemicals are made or transformed in long flowering.

I actually have grown and love sativa's that take 20+ weeks to flower. The high is complex. It is better I think. I think long flowering times allow some extraordinary things to happen.

I also believe that cannabis in all shapes including hemp and auto flowers are capable of healing most ailments. As more and more it is accepted and tested there has been aot of ground made. I hope more is gained.

We need to take a page from the past. Indians were disease free. I have family that were raised that way. They have medicine and have a herb or root for everything just about.

I watched with my own eyes as doctors push so much chemo and radiation he was going to die. They burnt his saliva glands up pushing so hard. He pas permanent nerve damage from it. This confirmed by a neurologist.


My father walked away from chemo and radiation on his death bed. He changed his life. Read up on making the body alkaline to kill cancer. He did that and went with a very clean diet of fresh, live produce. He also used holistic care and different herbs and roots.

Over 15 years cancer free.

I firmly believe this plant holds healing powers and we need to use it.

 

[tripleD]

I'm not saying I buy into it.

I am however interested at what chemicals are made or transformed in long flowering.

I actually have grown and love sativa's that take 20+ weeks to flower. The high is complex. It is better I think. I think long flowering times allow some extraordinary things to happen.

I also believe that cannabis in all shapes including hemp and auto flowers are capable of healing most ailments. As more and more it is accepted and tested there has been aot of ground made. I hope more is gained.

We need to take a page from the past. Indians were disease free. I have family that were raised that way. They have medicine and have a herb or root for everything just about.

I watched with my own eyes as doctors push so much chemo and radiation he was going to die. They burnt his saliva glands up pushing so hard. He pas permanent nerve damage from it. This confirmed by a neurologist.


My father walked away from chemo and radiation on his death bed. He changed his life. Read up on making the body alkaline to kill cancer. He did that and went with a very clean diet of fresh, live produce. He also used holistic care and different herbs and roots.

Over 15 years cancer free.

I firmly believe this plant holds healing powers and we need to use it.

He didn't say anything that people don't already know! If you let the plant go until the trich's are mostly amber (ripe as he puts it) then it is more medicinal. If you cut early, it's more of a head high, if you cut in the middle mostly milky sum amber you get a stronger high.... Science is all over this!!