EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[Uncle Ben]

Now back to Bernie..

"SANDERS: We haven't come up with an exact number yet, but....."

"Q: How do you pay for your proposed programs like tuition-free public college?
SANDERS: We have to tax Wall Street speculation."

"Sanders would nearly double taxes on capital gains and dividends for the wealthiest two percent of Americans. In addition,...."

"At a time of massive wealth and income inequality,..." (Yeah, divide and conquer you stupid old liberal goat.)

Man, that's enough bullshit to spoil anyone's breakfast. I've seen enough.

FAIL

 

[Uncle Ben]

Hey sky,

I hate wall street and hedge funds, period. After watching the wolf of wall street or what ever it was called, I could care less if they all went to jail.

A movie? Was Michael Moore directing it?

I don't hate Wall Street in fact it's made me a lot of money over time. Long term charts bare that out. It's also voluntary. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to invest or how, when, and in what. You either choose to play, or you don't.

Compare that voluntary choice with being forced to pay taxes without representation, buy into Obamacare and all the other government mandates to steal you money.

"Government" is a loose word to describe nothing more than a HUGE collection of people who legally have the right to steal your money. We the people do no have that right. So, it is your duty, as an American patriot, to find every loophole, every means, to withhold your income as a businessman or employee.

 

[Uncle Ben]

1. Personal/Consumer Taxes & Fees

1. Federal income tax
2. State income tax
3. Local income tax
4. Employee social security tax (your employer pays the other half)
5. Employee Medicare tax (your employer pays the other half)
6. Property taxes
7. Road toll charges
8. State sales tax
9. Driver's license renewal fee
10. TV Cable/Satellite fees & taxes
11. Federal telephone surtax, excise tax, and universal surcharge
12. State telephone excise tax and surcharge
13. Telephone minimum usage and recurring/nonrecurring charges tax
14. Gas/electric bill fees & taxes
15. Water/sewer fees & taxes
16. Cigarette tax
17. Alcohol tax
18. Federal gasoline tax
19. State gasoline tax
20. Local gasoline tax
21. Federal inheritance tax
22. State inheritance tax
23. Gift tax
24. Bridge toll charges
25. Marriage license
26. Hunting license
27. Fishing license
28. Bike license fee
29. Dog permit/license
30. State park permit
31. Watercraft registration & licensing fees
32. Sports stadium tax
33. Bike/nature trail permit
34. Court case filing fee
35. Retirement account early withdrawal penalty
36. Individual health insurance mandate tax
37. Hotel stay tax
38. Plastic surgery surcharge
39. Soda/fatty-food tax
40. Air transportation tax
41. Electronic transmission of tax return fees
42. Passport application/renewal fee
43. Luxury & gas-guzzler car taxes
44. New car surcharge
45. License plate and car ownership transfer taxes
46. Yacht and luxury boat taxes
47. Jewelry taxes & surcharges
48. State/local school tax
49. Recreational vehicle tax
50. Special assessments for road repairs or construction
51. Gun ownership permit
52. Kiddie tax (IRS form 8615)
53. Fuel gross receipts tax
54. Waste Management tax
55. Oil and gas assessment tax
56. Use taxes (on out-of-state purchase)
57. IRA rollover tax/withdrawal penalties
58. Tax on non-qualified health saving account distributions
59. Individual and small business surtax (page 336 of Obamacare)
60. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
61. Alternative Minimum Tax on income
    
62. Business Taxes & Fees
63. Federal corporate income tax
64. State corporate income tax
65. Tax registration fee for new businesses
66. Employer social security tax
67. Employer Medicare tax
68. Federal unemployment tax
69. State unemployment tax
70. Business registration renewal tax
71. Worker's compensation tax
72. Tax on imported/exported goods
73. Oil storage/inspection fees
74. Employer health insurance mandate tax
75. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (page 2001/Sec. 9007 of Obamacare)
76. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Page 2010/Sec. 9008 of Obamacare)
77. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Page 2020/Sec. 9009 of Obamacare)
78. Tax on Health Insurers (Page 2026/Sec. 9010 of Obamacare)
79. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans, i.e. "Cadillac" plans
80. Tax on indoor tanning services
81. Utility users tax
82. Internet transaction fee (passed in California; being considered in other states and at federal level)
83. Professional license fee (accountants, lawyers, barbers, dentists, plumbers, etc.)
84. Franchise business tax
85. Tourism and concession license fee
86. Wiring inspection fees
87. Household employment tax
88. Biodiesel fuel tax
89. FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits)
90. Electronic waste recycling fee
91. Hazardous material disposal fee
92. Food & beverage license fee
93. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
94. Building/construction permit
95. Zoning permit
96. Fire inspection fee
97. Well permit tax
98. Sales and Use tax seller's permit
99. Commercial driver's license fee
100. Bank ATM transaction tax
101. Occupation taxes and fees (annual charges required for a host of professions)

And some folks just can't understand why a business would want to conduct business in a country with lower corporate tax rates and few of the fees and taxes they're faced with in America.

 

[schuylaar]

"SANDERS: We haven't come up with an exact number yet, but....."

"Q: How do you pay for your proposed programs like tuition-free public college?
SANDERS: We have to tax Wall Street speculation."

"Sanders would nearly double taxes on capital gains and dividends for the wealthiest two percent of Americans. In addition,...."

"At a time of massive wealth and income inequality,..." (Yeah, divide and conquer you stupid old liberal goat.)

Man, that's enough bullshit to spoil anyone's breakfast. I've seen enough.

FAIL

Perhaps you'd like to wait and see actual plan instead of speculation?

 

[schuylaar]

1. Personal/Consumer Taxes & Fees

1. Federal income tax
2. State income tax
3. Local income tax
4. Employee social security tax (your employer pays the other half)
5. Employee Medicare tax (your employer pays the other half)
6. Property taxes
7. Road toll charges
8. State sales tax
9. Driver's license renewal fee
10. TV Cable/Satellite fees & taxes
11. Federal telephone surtax, excise tax, and universal surcharge
12. State telephone excise tax and surcharge
13. Telephone minimum usage and recurring/nonrecurring charges tax
14. Gas/electric bill fees & taxes
15. Water/sewer fees & taxes
16. Cigarette tax
17. Alcohol tax
18. Federal gasoline tax
19. State gasoline tax
20. Local gasoline tax
21. Federal inheritance tax
22. State inheritance tax
23. Gift tax
24. Bridge toll charges
25. Marriage license
26. Hunting license
27. Fishing license
28. Bike license fee
29. Dog permit/license
30. State park permit
31. Watercraft registration & licensing fees
32. Sports stadium tax
33. Bike/nature trail permit
34. Court case filing fee
35. Retirement account early withdrawal penalty
36. Individual health insurance mandate tax
37. Hotel stay tax
38. Plastic surgery surcharge
39. Soda/fatty-food tax
40. Air transportation tax
41. Electronic transmission of tax return fees
42. Passport application/renewal fee
43. Luxury & gas-guzzler car taxes
44. New car surcharge
45. License plate and car ownership transfer taxes
46. Yacht and luxury boat taxes
47. Jewelry taxes & surcharges
48. State/local school tax
49. Recreational vehicle tax
50. Special assessments for road repairs or construction
51. Gun ownership permit
52. Kiddie tax (IRS form 8615)
53. Fuel gross receipts tax
54. Waste Management tax
55. Oil and gas assessment tax
56. Use taxes (on out-of-state purchase)
57. IRA rollover tax/withdrawal penalties
58. Tax on non-qualified health saving account distributions
59. Individual and small business surtax (page 336 of Obamacare)
60. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
61. Alternative Minimum Tax on income
    
62. Business Taxes & Fees
63. Federal corporate income tax
64. State corporate income tax
65. Tax registration fee for new businesses
66. Employer social security tax
67. Employer Medicare tax
68. Federal unemployment tax
69. State unemployment tax
70. Business registration renewal tax
71. Worker's compensation tax
72. Tax on imported/exported goods
73. Oil storage/inspection fees
74. Employer health insurance mandate tax
75. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (page 2001/Sec. 9007 of Obamacare)
76. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Page 2010/Sec. 9008 of Obamacare)
77. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Page 2020/Sec. 9009 of Obamacare)
78. Tax on Health Insurers (Page 2026/Sec. 9010 of Obamacare)
79. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans, i.e. "Cadillac" plans
80. Tax on indoor tanning services
81. Utility users tax
82. Internet transaction fee (passed in California; being considered in other states and at federal level)
83. Professional license fee (accountants, lawyers, barbers, dentists, plumbers, etc.)
84. Franchise business tax
85. Tourism and concession license fee
86. Wiring inspection fees
87. Household employment tax
88. Biodiesel fuel tax
89. FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits)
90. Electronic waste recycling fee
91. Hazardous material disposal fee
92. Food & beverage license fee
93. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
94. Building/construction permit
95. Zoning permit
96. Fire inspection fee
97. Well permit tax
98. Sales and Use tax seller's permit
99. Commercial driver's license fee
100. Bank ATM transaction tax
101. Occupation taxes and fees (annual charges required for a host of professions)

And some folks just can't understand why a business would want to conduct business in a country with lower corporate tax rates and few of the fees and taxes they're faced with in America.

Yup those are tax authorities which would you get rid of and what would you replace with?

 

[schuylaar]

A movie? Was Michael Moore directing it?

I don't hate Wall Street in fact it's made me a lot of money over time. Long term charts bare that out. It's also voluntary. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to invest or how, when, and in what. You either choose to play, or you don't.

Compare that voluntary choice with being forced to pay taxes without representation, buy into Obamacare and all the other government mandates to steal you money.

"Government" is a loose word to describe nothing more than a HUGE collection of people who legally have the right to steal your money. We the people do no have that right. So, it is your duty, as an American patriot, to find every loophole, every means, to withhold your income as a businessman or employee.

Actually you are incorrect..greedy business owners went to 401k model rather than traditional pension of yesteryear..it was a way for them to save money and not have to 'deal' with employees..those ingrates..just another way to shift burden to employee.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Perhaps you'd like to wait and see actual plan instead of speculation?

That will never happen. Was just having some fun.

Any one that has any ambition, a drive to succeed and money in the bank, is considered "greedy" to you. It's a no-brainer - a 401K is a great investment especially if the employer contributes. That's how you become wealthy, by investing wisely.

"Greedy business owners". Grow up and stop the sinister, conspiracy child's play.

You may have read in previous posts we have been riding the stock market up since 2009 and about a year ago I felt it was toppy so I got out. Am still about 10% in but only holding 2 stocks, some bonds but no mutual funds. The rest is in money market. I found this stock fund and made good money on it via an IRA. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=POAGX&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}

At the time I went in it was listed in the top 1% of mutual funds that invest in mid-cap companies.

Here's another where I put some of my wife's money - http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=JAMRX&ql=1#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}

When there is "blood in the streets", I'll probably go back in and start the process all over again.

 

[Uncle Ben]

A 401K is a benefit, as are other employer based benefits like health care. It is not a right even if liberal nanny nazis say it is.

 

[schuylaar]

That will never happen. Was just having some fun.

Any one that has any ambition, a drive to succeed and money in the bank, is considered "greedy" to you. It's a no-brainer - a 401K is a great investment especially if the employer contributes. That's how you become wealthy, by investing wisely.

"Greedy business owners". Grow up and stop the sinister, conspiracy child's play.

You may have read in previous posts we have been riding the stock market up since 2009 and about a year ago I felt it was toppy so I got out. Am still about 10% in but only holding 2 stocks, some bonds but no mutual funds. The rest is in money market. I found this stock fund and made good money on it via an IRA. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=POAGX&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}

At the time I went in it was listed in the top 1% of mutual funds that invest in mid-cap companies.

Here's another where I put some of my wife's money - http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=JAMRX&ql=1#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}

When there is "blood in the streets", I'll probably go back in and start the process all over again.

Thanks for your personal formula..always wondered what it was..

 

[schuylaar]

A 401K is a benefit, as are other employer based benefits like health care. It is not a right even if liberal nanny nazis say it is.

It is a lesser benefit than a pension..and Ben, you won't win this debate because there is plenty of citation on 401k v. Pension.

 

[Uncle Ben]

It is a lesser benefit than a pension..and Ben, you won't win this debate because there is plenty of citation on 401k v. Pension.

Fuck your citation. This is all about the real world, not some BurnedOut Sanders bullshit. Like Cruz said to Trump, "I won't be taking legal or financial advice from you".

I win, I'm walking proof of it :

1. My wife had a 401K. The employer matched her contribution. It was a great investment.

2, I retired with a pension. Back in '78 as a condition of employment I was required to contribute 5% of my income into a group retirement plan. My employer matched it double.....2 for 1. So, with every paycheck 15% went into the group's retirement fund kitty. Back in the late 70's when interest rates were high we (the employees) were paid an annual 11% of our principal's balance. Every year, for almost 30 years, that money kept on compounding and compounding and COMPOUNDING. I retired and elected to take out as much of a cash distribution as allowed from 3 options offered. I walked with $92,000 cash as I wanted to take control of my financial destiny. Much of it was spent on our new farm and building our dream home. We are still getting a payout of around $2,600/month. That monthly pay out is increased yearly based on the cost of living index.

 

[schuylaar]

Democratic Debate tonight 8pm EST - live stream

http://youtube.com/NBCNews

 

[doublejj]

Hillary has 25 point lead in the polls...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-clinton’s-lead-rises-to-25-points-nationally/ar-BBoiR79?ocid=spartandhp

 

[nitro harley]

A movie? Was Michael Moore directing it?

I don't hate Wall Street in fact it's made me a lot of money over time. Long term charts bare that out. It's also voluntary. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to invest or how, when, and in what. You either choose to play, or you don't.

Compare that voluntary choice with being forced to pay taxes without representation, buy into Obamacare and all the other government mandates to steal you money.

"Government" is a loose word to describe nothing more than a HUGE collection of people who legally have the right to steal your money. We the people do no have that right. So, it is your duty, as an American patriot, to find every loophole, every means, to withhold your income as a businessman or employee.

I have made money in the stock market and I still have some stock on a long shot that I keep thinking will make me a pile of cash someday. I also have a personal experience that opened my eyes up to corruption.

My father called me up one day and said so and so has a gold mine and talked me into buying 75k in stock, he said what it took to convince my father to buy. He even said he would give him his money back if he wanted. So a few months later the stock was worth nothing and I told him that he had fucked up and I said did you ask for your money back and he said yes but he won't return my call.

So then I asked my father what company is this? So I looked it up on line and started reading the BIO on the CEO and realized that everything was a made up story because I knew who the kid was. His BIO claimed he had three degrees at Penn state and and went on to say he had ten years in the mining industry and so on. Well the kid was in his very early twenties and has never been out of the state of Oregon. His company was nothing more than a lap top in his parents basement, And he had a gang of pumpers from Canada and the USA working the key boards, young day traders that he would give company stock to for free to promote the lies.

The sad part is the kids were smart and covered their ass's in some hidden disclaimer that said the company was never going to be involved in operating a mine or owning any mining equipment. But that isn't what the pumpers were pumping. They made it sound like the operation has commenced and they were moving pay dirt by the day.

So long story short. Penny stocks are 99% scams from what I can tell and I have never purchased a penny stock because of my eye opening personal experience. So my complaint about wall street is mostly connected to OTC penny stocks.

I called the Oregon state securities regulators and they said that all they can do is put warnings out to people to not buy penny stocks because most all of them are scams.

So you are right nobody held a gun to my fathers head to buy the stock and he doesn't buy penny stocks anymore thats for dam sure.

I might buy an oil stock soon, and it won't be on the OTC. Sorry for the long post and good luck.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Sorry about that nitro. There are crooks in every industry. Just look at our cannabis industry. There are more crooks in the cannabis biz than what's on Wall Street witness this cannabis stock a friend bought into at $1.00! It's worthless now, trading at $0.05. Surely it will get de-listed soon. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SRNA+Interactive#{"range":"2y","allowChartStacking":true}

BUT, am thinking we're mixing up people, staff, traders, Ponzi schemes, CEO's looking for sucker bets who don't even have a company at all.....in a hat.

The stock market is a gamble, less so if you stick to the Dow. I've lost with companies that went bankrupt, got delisted. It's a gamble, it's part of the game.

Big cap stocks like Halliburton, Exxon, GE, Citicorp, etc. have been around forever. Buy them and hold for the long term. You'll make money. Also, check out those funds I linked you too. Those are solid funds with solid managers. I don't buy crap any more. Learned my lesson the hard way like you guys.

Make money.....

 

[Uncle Ben]

I might buy an oil stock soon, and it won't be on the OTC. Sorry for the long post and good luck.

Saudi Prince declared about a year or so ago that crude was going to $25. Thought he was crazy.

We're paying $1.59/gal. for regular.

After 2 years of listings I'll be closing on a land sale that has been giving us (my parents firstly, RIP) mineral royalties for decades. I myself have been getting gas royalities for years. It's located just south of one of the biggest fracking areas in Texas. Guess what? Am giving up all mineral rights. Why? Got more money and those wells have been worked and re-worked until there is nothing much left any more.

Weird - cash deal (no financing bullshit) resulting in hardly any closing costs (no survey, no appraisal required, etc.) NE college liberal professor is one of the buyers...not too savvy. Place hasn't been surveyed in 60 years - dumb move IMO but that's the buyer's call. Am waiting on the closing papers this week.

Wish me luck as you may know real estate....deals's not done until you sign and there's money sitting in your bank account.

Tio

 

[spandy]

Exactly, because you are nothing but an excuse with zero production value.

 

[spandy]

Wish me luck as you may know real estate....deals's not done until you sign and there's money sitting in your bank account.

Thats no bs either. Good luck!

 

[schuylaar]

Sorry about that nitro. There are crooks in every industry. Just look at our cannabis industry. There are more crooks in the cannabis biz than what's on Wall Street witness this cannabis stock a friend bought into at $1.00! It's worthless now, trading at $0.05. Surely it will get de-listed soon. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SRNA+Interactive#{"range":"2y","allowChartStacking":true}

BUT, am thinking we're mixing up people, staff, traders, Ponzi schemes, CEO's looking for sucker bets who don't even have a company at all.....in a hat.

The stock market is a gamble, less so if you stick to the Dow. I've lost with companies that went bankrupt, got delisted. It's a gamble, it's part of the game.

Big cap stocks like Halliburton, Exxon, GE, Citicorp, etc. have been around forever. Buy them and hold for the long term. You'll make money. Also, check out those funds I linked you too. Those are solid funds with solid managers. I don't buy crap any more. Learned my lesson the hard way like you guys.

Make money.....

Crooks in the cannabis industry?

Let's start with nutes..

 

[schuylaar]

Exactly, because you are nothing but an excuse with zero production value.

And your opinion is nothing and a zero.