PPM for soil

MICHUSA

New Member
OK SO, I HAVE BEEN GROWING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. I HAVE A 600 WATT LIGHT SYSTEM. I USUALLY HAVE 5 PLANTS IN THE SPACE, I USE FOX FARM NUTES AS WELL AS THE SOIL (OCEAN FOREST). I WOULD LIKE TO START DOING THE PPM IN MY GROW BUT ALWAYS SCARED I WAS GOING TO RUIN MY GROW. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO KNOW A LITTLE BETTER. COULD ANY ONE EXPLAIN PPM AND HOW TO ADJUST. LIKE I SAID IM USING THE FOX FARM TRIO NUTES
 

MICHUSA

New Member
thanks. I have a couple waterfarm systems I purchased I was thinking of messing around with them until I get It right then decide if I would like to switch from soil to hydro.
 

az2000

Well-Known Member
COULD ANY ONE EXPLAIN PPM AND HOW TO ADJUST. LIKE I SAID IM USING THE FOX FARM TRIO NUTES
I'm in soil and I like to monitor my PPMs. I start with 150ppm water and add about 300-400ppm nutrients. I try to feed enough volume for 10-20% runoff. I monitor the runoff ppms to see salt buildup. I either increase runoff or decrease strength. (I tend toward 20% runoff and stronger nutrients. But 10% and weaker could be better).

That's just for dialing things in. After I discovered the numbers that work, I never measure my nutrient ppms. I check my runoff ppms 2-3 times in transition through flower (just to make sure I'm where I should be).

Runoff ppms are very helpful to realize you have nute lockout in flower. I spent a long time trying to fix a ph problem which turned out to be salt buildup. If I had monitored my runoff ppms, I would have saw it as it hapened. Basically, I like to be around 1200-1800ppm in flower. 2500 is where lockout starts to show in the plant. If I hit 2000 I reduce nutes, feed more volume for runoff. 2200, I feed mild nutes and 100% runoff.

IMO, best thing you could do is understand the NPK ratio resulting from your boutique "trio." Play with mixing those bottles differently to get give your plant what it needs at various stages of growth. And, best of all, when you focus on NPK ratios you can *easily* get out of those proprietary "lineups" and use virtually any products to reach the same NPK ratios. (It helps you "read your plant" instead of a boutique "schedule").

This spreadsheet makes it easy to see the details of what you're feeding, how changing the mixed amounts affects the NPK ratio, or how other products can produce the same ratio.
 

ryan1918

Well-Known Member
I'm in soil and I like to monitor my PPMs. I start with 150ppm water and add about 300-400ppm nutrients. I try to feed enough volume for 10-20% runoff. I monitor the runoff ppms to see salt buildup. I either increase runoff or decrease strength. (I tend toward 20% runoff and stronger nutrients. But 10% and weaker could be better).

That's just for dialing things in. After I discovered the numbers that work, I never measure my nutrient ppms. I check my runoff ppms 2-3 times in transition through flower (just to make sure I'm where I should be).

Runoff ppms are very helpful to realize you have nute lockout in flower. I spent a long time trying to fix a ph problem which turned out to be salt buildup. If I had monitored my runoff ppms, I would have saw it as it hapened. Basically, I like to be around 1200-1800ppm in flower. 2500 is where lockout starts to show in the plant. If I hit 2000 I reduce nutes, feed more volume for runoff. 2200, I feed mild nutes and 100% runoff.

IMO, best thing you could do is understand the NPK ratio resulting from your boutique "trio." Play with mixing those bottles differently to get give your plant what it needs at various stages of growth. And, best of all, when you focus on NPK ratios you can *easily* get out of those proprietary "lineups" and use virtually any products to reach the same NPK ratios. (It helps you "read your plant" instead of a boutique "schedule").

This spreadsheet makes it easy to see the details of what you're feeding, how changing the mixed amounts affects the NPK ratio, or how other products can produce the same ratio.
Why would you need to monitor ppm's in soil tough makes no sense?
 

Dr.Pecker

Well-Known Member
Fox farm nutrient trio ruined the soil. You don't want to use synthetic nutrients in soil it will kill off the food web. Once that happens you need to keep using them. Hmm foxfarm soil is organic rite? I've never actually used it.
 

superbak3d

Well-Known Member
Why would Foxfarm make their own nutrient line up kill their own soil?

Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. So no, I'm not going to read into something that clearly isn't true.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
OK SO, I HAVE BEEN GROWING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. I HAVE A 600 WATT LIGHT SYSTEM. I USUALLY HAVE 5 PLANTS IN THE SPACE, I USE FOX FARM NUTES AS WELL AS THE SOIL (OCEAN FOREST). I WOULD LIKE TO START DOING THE PPM IN MY GROW BUT ALWAYS SCARED I WAS GOING TO RUIN MY GROW. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO KNOW A LITTLE BETTER. COULD ANY ONE EXPLAIN PPM AND HOW TO ADJUST. LIKE I SAID IM USING THE FOX FARM TRIO NUTES
I do use EC in every grow I do anymore. I am not recommending, and I am not using, FF nutes. What I am posting this for is for you to see the EC and the rise, and drops, in it. Note the changes. I am a retired nurse and did dialysis the last 5 years I worked. It's easier to set a protocol - such as PPM/EC consistently - and not have a problem. Like when switching to hydro because nearly everybody wants to sooner or later. Understand it in soil and DWC is easy and you won't be on here "Help! My babies are all fucked up".

 

Dr.Pecker

Well-Known Member
Why would Foxfarm make their own nutrient line up kill their own soil?

Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. So no, I'm not going to read into something that clearly isn't true.
Because foxfarm is retarded. Don't read up on it then I don't really care. It is true every other thread is about fox farm and some kind of problem people are having with it.
 
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