EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

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schuylaar

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Queece said:
And what happened with Mt. Gox didn't compromise Bitcoin in the least, in fact the same thing could never happen again mathematically. That is why the architecture is so robust. Meanwhile multi-trillion dollar bailout. Your point is invalid.
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How quickly something that is so suspect, had this mathematical once in a lifetime, so early on..:lol: What are the odds?
 
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red w. blue

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Fogdog said:
so, am I supposed to dig up a report of the murder of strikers at any number of places? Would that convince you? I don't think so.

The labor movement in this country grew out of transgressions by the so-called robber barons of the day like hiring the Pinkerton strike busting force. The labor movement was a necessary opposing force to the wealthy few suppressing its work force.
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You could dig up murders done by the strikers at any number of places? would that convince you? I know you know of the molly maquires do you not? Tell me of where strikers were not using force before pinkertons were brought in?

I wouldn't argue that the labor movement/unions or even the aclu hasn't done some good in the past, but its time to move on past the socialist crap. The national socialist workers party or the natzi party brought HITLER to power. Why should we trust sanders.



Fogdog said:
Absolutely, I'm saying that Sanders needs a Congress that will work with him. If he's confronted with two houses in Congress controlled by Tea Baggers, he won't be able to push his agenda forward. Its up to the electorate to give Sanders a Congress that will work with him. For sure, Tea Baggers won't.
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Calling conservative repubs ball suckers or the socialist dems cock suckers is pointless.
What I would like to know is why shouldn't we give congress a president that will work with them? The one we have now doesn't and he is a socialist like sanders, with a congress that would work with sanders or oblomba, we could say goodby to guns and hello to hitler.

Fogdog said:
What libertarians propose is that we learn that monopolies are bad all over again. History provides inconvenient facts to counter libertarian theory. I think we are in agreement here. Monopolies became a problem and regulations were put in place to stop them. Do you think that monopolies are a thing of the past? Most recently, IBM anti competitive actions and Microsoft anti competitive actions were successfully ended by this same government. This bit about government causing monopoly is unsupported by facts. Libertarian theory is not based on reality. My god you guys are dense.
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Sorry dum dum but IBM and Microsoft ARE NOT monopolies. I don't like monopolies and the ones we have now are LABOR MONOPOLIES CALLED UNIONS! Don't YOU think we should outlaw these evil monopolies?

AS for being dense YOU ARE THE BLACK HOLE OF DENSITY no mater how illuminating we may be no light comes back out.
 
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schuylaar

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red w. blue said:
You could dig up murders done by the strikers at any number of places? would that convince you? I know you know of the molly maquires do you not? Tell me of where strikers were not using force before pinkertons were brought in?

I wouldn't argue that the labor movement/unions or even the aclu hasn't done some good in the past, but its time to move on past the socialist crap. The national socialist workers party or the natzi party brought HITLER to power. Why should we trust sanders.




Calling conservative repubs ball suckers or the socialist dems cock suckers is pointless.
What I would like to know is why shouldn't we give congress a president that will work with them? The one we have now doesn't and he is a socialist like sanders, with a congress that would work with sanders or oblomba, we could say goodby to guns and hello to hitler.



Sorry dum dum but IBM and Microsoft ARE NOT monopolies. I don't like monopolies and the ones we have now are LABOR MONOPOLIES CALLED UNIONS! Don't YOU think we should outlaw these evil monopolies?

AS for being dense YOU ARE THE BLACK HOLE OF DENSITY no mater how illuminating we may be no light comes back out.
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We should trust Sanders? because 'we' trusted Bush/Cheney.

Obama is not a socialist and yes we do 'deserve' a president that will work bipartisan and that's Sanders with his 40+ years bipartisanship track record.

Now here's where you ignore what I just said and say the same shit over again, just in a different way..can you address my above comments?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Queece said:
Yes, exactly. The fact that these independent ratings agencies were not subject to oversight means that there is an issue of moral hazard. FDIC Fanny May and Freddy Mac were also convicted of predatory collection. All regulators are venal because they are human, a machine is a much better candidate because they aren't trying to accumulate wealth through arbitrage. They don't go on vacation and they don't want to buy $140million Modiglianis.



Read War is a Racket. It details exactly who were war profiteers in every conflict going as far back as the Revolutionary War. No bid contracts have been around for a long time. War was the greatest financial instrument ever invented up until the Blockchain made it irrelevant.
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I'll take it as read that you are venal but I don't think you've said much otherwise. The slipshod regulation in the first decade of this century was entirely due to faith in right wing philosophy, not too different from the garbage you spew here. Greenspan said that allowing banks to self regulate was a horrible mistake.

Not going to read your book. If you can't explain it, you don't understand it yourself. And I might add, you aren't much of a reference. Explain this: what it does it have to do with the period between 1880 and 1910, when we weren't at war and the Civil War was long past?
Queece said:
Monopolies are built by state intervention. /QUOTE]
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This is horseshit. In this country, which monopoly are you referring to? China, yes, because it is ruled by a wealthy oligarchy. Which, by the way is where this country is headed unless we roll back Citizen's United and raise taxes on the wealthy. Feel the Bern, dude.
 
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red w. blue

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schuylaar said:
We should trust Sanders? because 'we' trusted Bush/Cheney.

Obama is not a socialist and yes we do 'deserve' a president that will work bipartisan and that's Sanders with his 40+ years bipartisanship track record.

Now here's where you ignore what I just said and say the same shit over again, just in a different way..can you address my above comments?
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I didn't trust bush, i'm not sure why you trusted bush or any politician. If I trusted sanders I wouldn't vote for him anyway, he wants to ban rifles and his single payer health care plan would make us just a asset of the state.

You take up a lot of space and say very little.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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red w. blue said:
You could dig up murders done by the strikers at any number of places? would that convince you? I know you know of the molly maquires do you not? Tell me of where strikers were not using force before pinkertons were brought in?

I wouldn't argue that the labor movement/unions or even the aclu hasn't done some good in the past, but its time to move on past the socialist crap. The national socialist workers party or the natzi party brought HITLER to power. Why should we trust sanders.
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I'm not going to tell you to read a book, I think that's a pretty lazy way to make a point. I will say that labor movements started in this country in the railroad workforce and yes the mines. Around the 1870's, a man could be fired for any reason. To a worker, losing a job is a form of violence, economic capital punishment. Railroads were in fact abusing its payroll system. Some of the first labor action was for putting in place a payday. Railroads paid workers when they felt like it. Also, shoddy records enabled cheating by those same railroads. In the mines, working conditions were horrendous. Collective labor action was met with violent strikebreakers and violence begets more of the same. I hope this helps you understand a bit more about the history of that time. If not, well then start reading because you don't know much.

red w. blue said:
Calling conservative repubs ball suckers or the socialist dems cock suckers is pointless.
What I would like to know is why shouldn't we give congress a president that will work with them? The one we have now doesn't and he is a socialist like sanders, with a congress that would work with sanders or oblomba, we could say goodby to guns and hello to hitler.
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You could have stopped with that first sentence and we will be in perfect agreement. Put a new congress in place, put Sanders in place and feel the Bern.

red w. blue said:
Sorry dum dum but IBM and Microsoft ARE NOT monopolies. I don't like monopolies and the ones we have now are LABOR MONOPOLIES CALLED UNIONS! Don't YOU think we should outlaw these evil monopolies?

AS for being dense YOU ARE THE BLACK HOLE OF DENSITY no mater how illuminating we may be no light comes back out.
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Agree with you here. The anti-competitive actions of IBM and Microsoft were ended by Federal lawsuits. Microsoft was very much behaving like a monopoly at the time of the lawsuit. That ended when they lost. Same with IBM. Neither are monopolies today.

I called you dense because you are. For things like calling unions monopolies. In this country any union man would laugh at you.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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The conversation on this thread has proven to me that this country has gone about as far to the right as it possibly can.

The choice now is whether to throw away the Constitution once and for all- or, make some very basic changes to the way this country works and start respecting them as the framers intended. Any third option will simply lead back to the first two and I believe sooner rather than later.
 
Fogdog

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http://robertreich.org/post/137454417985
Six responses to Sanders skeptics
1. “He’d never beat Trump or Cruz in a general election.”

Wrong. According to the latest polls, Bernie is the strongest Democratic candidate in the general election, defeating both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in hypothetical matchups. (The latest Real Clear Politics averages of all polls shows Bernie beating Trump by a larger margin than Hillary beats Trump, and Bernie beating Cruz while Hillary loses to Cruz.)

3. “America would never elect a socialist.”

P-l-e-a-s-e. America’s most successful and beloved government programs are social insurance – Social Security and Medicare. A highway is a shared social expenditure, as is the military and public parks and schools. The problem is we now have excessive socialism for the rich (bailouts of Wall Street, subsidies for Big Ag and Big Pharma, monopolization by cable companies and giant health insurers, giant tax-deductible CEO pay packages) – all of which Bernie wants to end or prevent.

To be continued...
 
Queece

Queece

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red w. blue said:
IBM and Microsoft were NEVER EVER MONOPOLIES YOU WERE WRONG as I said, nor were they ever even close to being a monopoly
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Microsoft is a twice convicted predatory monopoly. They didn't "invent" anything. They borrowed military technology that tax-payers funded the research for, put it in a colorful box and hired marketing executives. We paid for the immensely expensive research, they were just the ones that the government lets collect rent on that research. State-interventionist monopoly, period paragraph.

Fogdog said:
You could have stopped with that first sentence and we will be in perfect agreement. Put a new congress in place, put Sanders in place and feel the Bern.
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The fact that you would need a new Congress to make Bernie's lofty ideas a reality is absurd. 98% incumbency, remember.

Fogdog said:
I'll take it as read that you are venal but I don't think you've said much otherwise. The slipshod regulation in the first decade of this century was entirely due to faith in right wing philosophy, not too different from the garbage you spew here. Greenspan said that allowing banks to self regulate was a horrible mistake.

Not going to read your book. If you can't explain it, you don't understand it yourself. And I might add, you aren't much of a reference. Explain this: what it does it have to do with the period between 1880 and 1910, when we weren't at war and the Civil War was long past?
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I just did explain it, look it up and read a fly cover, you're sitting in front of a computer. It's about war industry and legacy defense companies dating back to the revolutionary war. You realize Dow Chemical used to be called "the powder company". You claim that there are no monopolies in the US, I beg to differ. We have a monopoly on money creation, we don't need other monopolies, we already have the worst one that encompasses all other monopolies.
 
Queece

Queece

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You think companies like British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, and Saudi Aramco are organic creations operating inside a free market? That's just stupid man, they say it right in the name. Those companies were formed from 1900-1910. You aren't thinking, you are just disagreeing.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Queece said:
You think companies like British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, and Saudi Aramco are organic creations operating inside a free market? That's just stupid man, they say it right in the name. Those companies were formed from 1900-1910. You aren't thinking, you are just disagreeing.
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Bp really pisses me off, I've worked in that shithole refinery.. Those fucks should have went belly up after that gulf spill.. The fines should have bankrupted any company after that fuckup..but the fines were chump change and they gave out millions in "safety bonuses" 6 months layer to executives.
 
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