BUD WASHING- the truth

[fandango]

yeah.... all us experienced growers have been doing this just for that reason.... yep.. .... are you an idiot?

Maybe I am...but show a pic of your brown dog shit weed

 

[zubey91]

Maybe I am...but show a pic of your brown dog shit weed

whats with the anger man.... aren't we all here to better our growing techniques? just answer me this question.. why would i wash my bud if the end result was brown dog shit weed? why would i sit here and waste my time on here for months if the end result was that? i really don' t understand why those choose to just assume without ANY experience in the matter... there are 2 sets of pics on this thread of bud after wash.. i don't see brown dog shit weed. [/QUOTE]

 

[zubey91]

how long have you been growing and who is the us you refer

ive been growing for approx 10 years. and "us" are the ones who tried this.. and all the peeps on doc buds threads..

 

[calliandra]

i adjusted down to 1/2 cup of each per 5 gallon and it seems to do just as well as a cup.... one thing that is VERY noticable if anything is the smoke gets 100 times smoother..which would be worth it to me even if the end results were JUST that.

Thanks for passing that on - 1.5 months to go lol
Yeah in my mind it may have something to do with both baking soda and lemon juice being alkalic (is that a word? lol)... though it does get washed off after... looking forward to horsing around with this!

 

[testiclees]

Thanks for passing that on - 1.5 months to go lol
Yeah in my mind it may have something to do with both baking soda and lemon juice being alkalic (is that a word? lol)... though it does get washed off after... looking forward to horsing around with this!

Even a plan water wash helps with smoothness. I dont use the baking soda lemon juice. I go with plain hot then cold water. If the plant was a long flowering sativa i might use a very little SNS17 in my hot rinse.

 

[calliandra]

Even a plan water wash helps with smoothness. I dont use the baking soda lemon juice. I go with plai hot then cold water. If the plant was a long flowering sativa i might use a very little SNS17 in my hot rinse.

Sorry, what is SNS17?
Also, wouldn't the oils tend to dissolve in hot water and thus make the weed lose potency?

 

[qwizoking]

science is left out with these methods. best not to question it


im sure its uber dank man

 

[testiclees]

There is no science in making pronouncements with zero experience. Its better known as talking out your ass.


The science of washing and sanitation is well established.
Pretty much everything we consume is washed for a very good reason.

No "hot" water wash 100-115 is not gonna have an neg effect on potency or flavor.

Sorry dude its SNS311

 

[calliandra]

There is no science in making pronouncements with zero experience. Its better known as talking out your ass.


The science of washing and sanitation is well established.
Pretty much everything we consume is washed for a very good reason.

No "hot" water wash 100-115 is not gonna have an neg effect on potency or flavor.

Sorry dude its SNS311

Ahhh ok, well that's more lukewarm than boiling hot, thanks for correcting that picture!

LOL @ SNS311, same difference, but I've googled it now -- so basically, some product used to wash plants & produce
I think I'll stick to baking soda for my experiment, have it in the house
3-4 more weeks' wait though!
Cheers!

 

[qwizoking]

There is no science in making pronouncements with zero experience. Its better known as talking out your ass.

uhhhhhh, ive done this before? and can certainly shed some light on chemistry here.
but with your attitude and language, not sure i would want to converse with you at any point in time.. i do so here to help others..




The science of washing and sanitation is well established.
Pretty much everything we consume is washed for a very good reason.


except veggies have a wall thats relatively impenetrable, the trich heads, the shells do have water solubility and warming increases this.. water acting as a solvent here will pull many alcohols and esters etc that are highly soluble and give flavor if allowed in to the trichs.. luckily yiur not completely destroying yiur bud doing this. but it certainly doesnt help.
i prefer to grow clean and sanitary bud to begin with



No "hot" water wash 100-115 is not gonna have an neg effect on potency or flavor.

thats enough to bring many of these compounds to melting point, have you ever made a solvent produced concentrate? then im sure you noticed during purge 110 or so is enough for bubbles and butane to break surface tension. the reason yiu dont lose everything doing this is the trich shells that are extracted are mixed homogeneously in bho. here the fatty acids are still being affected but takes a little higher temp.. have you ever made rosin?

Sorry dude its SNS311

 

[calliandra]

except veggies have a wall thats relatively impenetrable, the trich heads, the shells do have water solubility and warming increases this.. water acting as a solvent here will pull many alcohols and esters etc that are highly soluble and give flavor if allowed in to the trichs.. luckily yiur not completely destroying yiur bud doing this. but it certainly doesnt help.
i prefer to grow clean and sanitary bud to begin with

Well that does make sense to an extent.
But I would think (just commonsensically, no science haha) that the solubility cant be that high.

I really try not to touch the buds of my plant at the mo because she is soo sticky, it's quite a procedure to get it off - warm water and soap does NOT do it! I have begun to rub my hands with oil first after I do have to handle the buds for any reason, only then I can get it off with soap and water.

Now as to the alcohols and esthers, I have no idea about those, except they're by nature volatile of themselves anyways, water or no?

 

[testiclees]

@qwizoking

Oh come on bro lets converse. Dont play the bloated know it all gas bag. Please?

Can you post the research for the glib bullshit you posted above?
Post up some data for relevant compounds with melting points at 46C.

 

[qwizoking]

Well that does make sense to an extent.
But I would think (just commonsensically, no science haha) that the solubility cant be that high.

I really try not to touch the buds of my plant at the mo because she is soo sticky,

ok, think why is she sticky??


it's quite a procedure to get it off - warm water and soap does NOT do it! I have begun to rub my hands with oil first after I do have to handle the buds for any reason, only then I can get it off with soap and water.



the solubility of the more non polar portions ie, the fatty acid membrane that makes up the trich shell and the phenolics/terps isnt very high. but in chemistry there is always some.there is no defining line between polar and non polar its how much
heavily non polar butane still absorbs enough water to turn an extract colors if doing a soak and not straight blast.
meaning is the loss drastic?
no but it is there, and relevant .
there are many other present compounds highly soluble in water however

Now as to the alcohols and esthers, I have no idea about those, except they're by nature volatile of themselves anyways, water or no?


all these compounds are volatile, thats why your bud has a smell. but how are these compounds allowed to escape the membrane of intact un-ruptured trichs? the same way water can go in and pull these. alcohol is by nature as we all know pretty water soluble, as well as esters and other compounds with short chain. including fatty "acids" who do have a bit of a polar tail. and the esters give much of the fruity smell. i may have posted a list of esters aldehydes etc in this thread.. i just felt like coming back. these can be lost in much higher proportions

i dont feel like looking for documents lol, its common knowledge that these compounds have a melting temp some below room temp. giving some hash oil a goopy appearance. your making the outlandish claim here going against common knowledge


your "insults" always lead to the same bloated gas bag comment.. use some imagination. personally i dont find it offensive, i simply spoke on the physical and chem properties and yiu call me a know it all lol. i take it as a compliment...yiu should perhaps educate yourself and see im not even posting anything thats out of reach. not like talking about drug design or something. if you just slightly rose your plane we could probly have a discussion without know it all insults as i do with many members often

 

[testiclees]

i dont feel like looking for documents lol, its common knowledge that these compounds have a melting temp some below room temp. giving some hash oil a goopy appearance. your making the outlandish claim here going against common knowledge


your "insults" always lead to the same bloated gas bag comment.. use some imagination. personally i dont find it offensive, i simply spoke on the physical and chem properties and yiu call me a know it all lol. i take it as a compliment...yiu should perhaps educate yourself and see im not even posting anything thats out of reach. not like talking about drug design or something. if you just slightly rose your plane we could probly have a discussion without know it all insults as i do with many members often

Your full of shit as you so often are

 

[qwizoking]

better
but try something more logical. everything i said is backed by scientific literature


if your speaking literally...ya man, i gotta lay off the opiates, or atleast start incorporating a stool softener

 

[testiclees]

better
but try something more logical. everything i said is backed by scientific literature


if your speaking literally...ya man, i gotta lay off the opiates, or atleast start incorporating a stool softener

You posted bloated know it all anecdotal bullshit.
Youve had too many stool softeneners your tiresome shit pours out relentlessly.

 

[stnr420]

Hey guys and gals, i've been reading up on bud washing for the past 4-6 weeks. i'm about 2 days from harvest and will be chopping a plant just about every week for the next 6 weeks.

the purpose of bud washing is to get all the dirt, dust, skincells(there are tons), fuzzies, dead bugs..... just about anything that can get on your plants during growth and flowering. the way to look at it is look at a table top and don't dust it for 3-4 months and look at see the film of crap on it. this is why you should wash your buds....you don't go pull a carrot or lettuce or any veggies and eat it wthout washing it.. why would you do it to your buds....


so for the past 2-3 weeks (while in flush) have been plucking buds here and there and washing them in 3 different possible washing procedures...

while i experimented i used Solo cups.. when i harvest i'll do them in 5 gallon buckets.

procedure #1- I first tested this with 3 solo cups... 1 filled with warm water and the other cup filled with cold water the third cup with r/o water
so you trim your bud normally leaving the sugar leaves on. take the bud and dunk it in cup 1. You can either swish it around or dunk it in and out of the water.. I did this for 30 seconds. then i proceeded to do it to cup 2 and cup 3. after that you hang dry normally.

procedure #2 3 solo cups- cup 1: warm water with tablespoon of baking soda, tablespoon of lemon juice. cups 2 cold water, cup 3 r/o water.. dunk in cup 1 for wash.. cup 2 rise, cup 3 r/o water to take any sediments from the tap water off.

procedure #3 4 solo cups- Cup 1: water with a cap full of h202 cup 2: the baking soda/lemon juice solution Cups 2 and 3.. same as above.

results:

in all three instances i found the following: .. after looking under a jewelers loop before and after i can say its looks A lot cleaner. the smoke... smooth VERY smooth(even the buds i cut after only flushing for 3 days) . the look of the buds... seemed to be brighter in color, plumper.

Biggest difference between the 3 different washes:

wash 1: although cleaner, there was still some visible dirt and fuzzies on the buds. the smoke was smooth but still had a tad of harshness at the end of the bowl.

wash 2: under the loop, the bud from this wash i would say was 99% clean. i saw one hair on it but it could have easily just got stuck on the bud as i removed it from the wash. the smoke was about triple the smoothness of wash 1 and the look was about the same.. however the smell got much stronger.

wash 3: the h202 made the plant dry out faster. after a day the sugar leaves were all dried and not good looking. i don't recommend using h202 unless you have PM or bud rot.

in conclusion: IMO this is a must for every grower. i was a non believer until i tried it.. my main concern was that the water would cause mold or rot... NOT THE CASE the water pretty much just runs off the bud it doesn't soak in like a sponge or anything. I have looked at the trichs before and after the wash and they also DO NOT seem to be affected. one thing is for sure... i will ALWAYS wash my buds now. keep in mind this does add a day or two to the drying time.. but to me its totally worth it.


I will be posting pics once i start the process with my main harvest. stay tuned. ....

My tabletop doesn't have a 450 cfm carbon filter sitting next to it....which pulls most of the debris out of the air

 

[innerG]

I feel like I'm in that cannabis lighting thread by TheRev or whatever

 

[calliandra]

ok, think why is she sticky??

Because she has resin all over her in different forms and because by handling her I am breaking open young trichomes (actually verified that under a microscope)?
My point was just that experientially the resin isn't easily water soluble

the solubility of the more non polar portions ie, the fatty acid membrane that makes up the trich shell and the phenolics/terps isnt very high. but in chemistry there is always some.there is no defining line between polar and non polar its how much
heavily non polar butane still absorbs enough water to turn an extract colors if doing a soak and not straight blast.
meaning is the loss drastic?
no but it is there, and relevant .
there are many other present compounds highly soluble in water however

Perhaps on a bit of a tangent, but this membrane on the trich head, does it get thicker as flowering progresses?

Now as to the alcohols and esthers, I have no idea about those, except they're by nature volatile of themselves anyways, water or no?

all these compounds are volatile, thats why your bud has a smell. but how are these compounds allowed to escape the membrane of intact un-ruptured trichs? the same way water can go in and pull these. alcohol is by nature as we all know pretty water soluble, as well as esters and other compounds with short chain. including fatty "acids" who do have a bit of a polar tail. and the esters give much of the fruity smell. i may have posted a list of esters aldehydes etc in this thread.. i just felt like coming back. these can be lost in much higher proportions

Yeah you linked to it, just totally over my head, that -
chemistry has always been a weak spot, so I'm afraid I can't really follow your reasoning

What I do take away from it is that there are losses.
Fair enough. But I'm still curious to see how it is noticeable or not though, so one of these buds
is gonna get washed

 

[driel]

Ive done it a few times and it does make a difference for cleaning bud that may not be perfectly isolated. The mix of concentrated lemon juice and baking soda + warm water just takes off all kinds of crap flying in the air and attaching itself to your precious bud. I swap it out with a fresh batch for each oz because you see the water go from the light yellow to darker brown from cleaning stuff off your plant. It also cuts down on the drying time by a few days in my area. I haven't had any of my bud turn "brown dogshit" as fandango put it.