Where am i going wrong?

[monkz]

Yup. Your ready. And theirs so many ways to try it just like a throw in the corner test. Hempy is one. Never tried. Never will. A dwc is time consuming. The big factor with hydro is you need a ppm gauge and a ph gauge and use them. ALOT. and its not really hard to feed. Half strength and you can get through veg easy. Flower, half strength until you get the blast off then go full if not burnt tips. But to hand water 50/50 coco perlite for me at 6.0 ph 5 times a day in a 3 gallon nets me 200+ dry on a 400w. Quite fast growth too.

You cant overwater coco. Which is great. Just run off. 20-30%. YOU CAN DO IT!

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DWC is not time consuming.

Quality better? Gtfo here

Faster growth yeah




Lol @ healthier- stronger..


No downsides? How bout power outage for 36 hours and lose a crop.

Firstly, it is quite obvious that you've either never grown in DWC, or you have, and failed miserably.
I've found that hydro produces healthier and stronger plants, which are also better in quality. The roots are able to grow more freely, and consume more water, oxygen and nutrients than they would with most other mediums.

Also, your comment about power outage makes no sense. If my power goes out, my main worry is the lights, air intake/exhaust, and my fans, not my airpump, because my water will contain enough dissolved oxygen to keep them happy for at least a day. If you're growing indoors in soil, power outage is just as much of a problem to you as it is to me.

 

[Bose]

Yup. Your ready. And theirs so many ways to try it just like a throw in the corner test. Hempy is one. Never tried. Never will. A dwc is time consuming. The big factor with hydro is you need a ppm gauge and a ph gauge and use them. ALOT. and its not really hard to feed. Half strength and you can get through veg easy. Flower, half strength until you get the blast off then go full if not burnt tips. But to hand water 50/50 coco perlite for me at 6.0 ph 5 times a day in a 3 gallon nets me 200+ dry on a 400w. Quite fast growth too.

You cant overwater coco. Which is great. Just run off. 20-30%. YOU CAN DO IT!

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I just started seedlings in coco coir. How often do you feed them?

 

[Corso312]

I have a battery capable of running an air pump and cfl for weeks. 100 bucks or less. Still, a downside. My HID is out. I lose yield big time. But a total loss Is hard. But in these times man, powers going out and the worlds exploding so.. Hard to say.

Battery backup is pretty slick, I don't run hydro, I've probably lost power here 20 times here in 3.5 years.. Usually only a few hours but 4 days last summer.. My garden didn't rely skip a beat..I just ripped off the light curtains and gave em indirect sunlight for 12 hours but the humidity was through the roof .. No mold no mildew though..


Most of my buddies grow flood tables and I've never noticed a difference in taste when we run same strains.

 

[murphy82]

[QUOTE="monkz, post: 12280748, member: 110our main problems are your medium, nutrients, and flushing (assuming that your environment is in check).
Medium: switch over to hydro
Nutrients: start at 300-400 ppm and increase by 100 every week until you reach 1500, then maintain.
Flushing: don't do it, unless you're trying to correct an imbalance.

Also, 20l pots... you need bigger containers.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean no flushing inbetween veg and flower ?

 

[medicalMonster]

I use 3 gallon smart pots.

Flood tables are awesome. I have one 2x4 and a 2x2. 4x2 doing nothing I have too many dwc buckets. When those harvest my veg and flrw tents are going to tables.

Coco is awesome as you cant over water. But you can slow root growth by watring too much. Try to hand water carefully, starting outside in. And only re water when the top inch is dry. Like soil. Make it look for roots for a week. Then you can start flooding it with run off. And theyll take off. Around 3rd node they really go.

Note - If you seedling is in rockwool then the rockwool with suck the moisture out of the coco around it. Ive had issues with under watering when young. Coco i plant direct. in fact i might drop a bean tonight. . . . .


update *** Look what you made me do after reading this thread! I can squeeze ONE more i guess.

If your in 5 gallon, (20liter) pots. Dont water it all. Just around the center. Just think what you want the roots to do. One thing you can do to slow shit down is over water a big pot with a small plant. That sucks and takes forever to dry and you know the roots are just not trying hard to search for water. Bitch ass roots. 5 gallon or 20 liters in coco is good for like.. a 3 -5 month veg am i wrong.. I veg a month in 3s. Nursery pot to half gallon plastic to 3 gallon final smart.

 

[Corso312]

DWC is not time consuming.


Firstly, it is quite obvious that you've either never grown in DWC, or you have, and failed miserably.
I've found that hydro produces healthier and stronger plants, which are also better in quality. The roots are able to grow more freely, and consume more water, oxygen and nutrients than they would with most other mediums.

Also, your comment about power outage makes no sense. If my power goes out, my main worry is the lights, air intake/exhaust, and my fans, not my airpump, because my water will contain enough dissolved oxygen to keep them happy for at least a day. If you're growing indoors in soil, power outage is just as much of a problem to you as it is to me.

Lol, you are really full of shit man.. Ive ran dwc, and more people believe soil is king for taste and flavor.. Me, personally ? I can't tell the difference from soil grown organics, synthetic or aeroponics, dwc, nft etc.. You lost any credibility with that " healthiest , strongest" bullshit. But I knew you were a clown when you told the op his pots were too small.. 20 liters is plenty big, its over 5 gallons.

 

[monkz]

Lol, you are really full of shit man.. Ive ran dwc, and more people believe soil is king for taste and flavor.. Me, personally ? I can't tell the difference from soil grown organics, synthetic or aeroponics, dwc, nft etc.. You lost any credibility with that " healthiest , strongest" bullshit. But I knew you were a clown when you told the op his pots were too small.. 20 liters is plenty big, its over 5 gallons.

People can believe whatever they want, our culture is immersed in myth and fiction, practiced by noobs who have no real experience, and no respect for people who've been growing for many more years than they have.
My experiences are that DWC does create healthier and stronger plants, not only because the plant can actually absorb more water and nurtrients, has an abundance of oxygen, and imbalances can be corrected immediately, but also because there is less chance of insects interfering with a mediumless setup.
You say I lost credibility for saying that 20l is too small. Now I know you're either trolling, or have no experience and/or knowledge, even on the basics of growing. I'm running a 50l DWC, and my roots currently fill the entire container on Day 35 of flowering, vegged for 6 weeks.
The reason you can't tell the difference between soil-grown organics, and synthetic-nutrient aeroponics, is because your plant assimilates those nutrients in the same way, and for the most part, can't tell the difference between organic and synthetic.
Keep going on your pretentious path, and spreading your noob information, but for anyone who wants to improve, heed my words.

No further replies from me,
Peace.

 

[Corso312]

The OP grows in coco, in 20 liter pots.. You said his pots were too small- that's nonsense.. You said DWC product tastes The best and produces " healthiest, strongest" that's nonsense.. If anyone in this thread sounds like a noob..its you my friend.

 

[medicalMonster]

People can believe whatever they want, our culture is immersed in myth and fiction, practiced by noobs who have no real experience, and no respect for people who've been growing for many more years than they have.
My experiences are that DWC does create healthier and stronger plants, not only because the plant can actually absorb more water and nurtrients, has an abundance of oxygen, and imbalances can be corrected immediately, but also because there is less chance of insects interfering with a mediumless setup.
You say I lost credibility for saying that 20l is too small. Now I know you're either trolling, or have no experience and/or knowledge, even on the basics of growing. I'm running a 50l DWC, and my roots currently fill the entire container on Day 35 of flowering, vegged for 6 weeks.
The reason you can't tell the difference between soil-grown organics, and synthetic-nutrient aeroponics, is because your plant assimilates those nutrients in the same way, and for the most part, can't tell the difference between organic and synthetic.
Keep going on your pretentious path, and spreading your noob information, but for anyone who wants to improve, heed my words.

No further replies from me,
Peace.

I liked this one.

"but also because there is less chance of insects interfering with a mediumless setup."

What insect attacks the medium? My hydroton doesn't take shit from anyone my store owner said. Said my hydro ton can kick any bugs ass. I said, what about soil. He said soil wasn't a fighter. Said he hung it up. So, now you all know why soils taking shit now.

Sorry that was harsh but your making bold weird statements dude and making it too easy.

Sometimes its better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[Budley Doright]

Wow! The guy asked about improving what he has and we've got him redoing his whole setup lol. Perhaps a nute change, different watering schedules, or pic of setup. I run hydro but would be reluctant to say it's better for everyone. Pics of the setup may shed more light on this. Also with coco is it not wise to over water till there is lots of runoff to flush excess nutes? I have no clue really about coco but is it that much different from any other system? The only thing I've noticed is the different nutes and watering schedules.

 

[medicalMonster]

Yeah. Ok damn man . And your a good 80f at the canopy? You got it crushed without burn. Using all the light? Not to ask stupid questions. I know you know what your doing.

The light change can be huge. Id go with that first. Also i get denser nugs in a cool room, which starting desnse but flowering the same amount of time = more weight. In my werid world of math.

Sounds like a light issue. Its the motor of everything really. gl -

And just taking base nutes at half strength is fine. Dont need to change brands. I was just saying what i use.

Also maybe under watering in flower? Once roots are established it should never become or look dry. (the medium)

Theirs a tube vid of a guy getting 2.7ish gpw with an led setup with tahoe og....... wtf

 

[Budley Doright]

The reason I mentioned nute change is really my observations with my setup/water make up. I tried about 10 different products before I found one that works better. All of the products I tried grew plants, both cheap and expensive. I did get better results from the cheapest compared to most but there was one premium that stuck out for stability and plant health. Pretty sure my water makeup has a bearing on what works. I may be a tad bias towards the cheap stuff as I'm a cheap bastard.

 

[thumper60]

hey murphy lots of bs eh I simple ? do u let that coco dry out I mean dry these guys are stompin all over u thread

 

[thumper60]

I think u should try help not debate what works for u. peace

 

[murphy82]

Yeah, thumper 60, its all got a bit confusing. I do appreciate everyone's input but you nailed it on the head, I want to improve upon what I have.
I will be renewing my lamp after this one is down, but had the same sort of yeilds when it was new.
I'm sure I'm getting the nutes and water wrong in flowering. The temps seem ok but I've caught them getting upto 100 degrees in summer so I run a second extractor which brings them down to 85/90. It's winter now so temps are all good but still have same looking plants as summer.
You asked if I let the coco dry out and I usually find they seem fairly dry or slightly damp after 2 days

 

[murphy82]

I've got a ppm meter now also. Am I better off sticking to a certain range throughout flower with that rather than follow the bottle? Nutes every water or every other? I'm sick of trimming tiny nugs for days on end and would love a nice fat canopy in an ideal world!

 

[thumper60]

don't let that coco dry out if u do it will burn u plants

 

[thumper60]

Hi,
I've been at this for almost 2 years now but haven't broke out of beginner mode yet and I'm looking for some guidance.

I usually grow 6 plants under a 1000w light in a 1.5 m2 tent using a scrog but am struggling to get more than 2.5oz per plant. I'm reasonably pleased with what I get as its a real good smoke but I think I'm getting less than I should.

My process starts with cuttings or seeds for around 8 weeks under flourescents which go really well and grow to around 12 inches. I use ionic grow for coco as I use cana professional plus throughout the grow. I also lollypop the first 6 inches or so.
Next step is into the tent using 20l pots with cana pro plus and about 30% pearlite. I use full strength nutes(ionic grow) at this point which according to the guidelines is 7ml per litre and pH to around 5.8 - 6.0. I hand water the plants when needed which at this stage is every 2 - 3 days. I'll cut away the stringy, weak looking stems and sugar leaves that are hanging underneath the scrog net in veg.

After 3-4 weeks and once the net is filling up nicely I'll saturate the pots in plain pH water then switch over to 1000w 12/12 a few days later and start them on full strength ionic grow 7ml/l and water with nutes every time every 2 days.
I think its at this point things don't go so well. I usually start getting quite a few yellowing leaves, then a few die off throughout the next 9 weeks. The main colas are usually quite thin and grow to about 4 inches and the rest reduce in sizedown to popcorn. The last 10 days is flushing with clean pH water but they do start to droop at this point and tend to lie on the net rather than stand proud.
Like I said, the end result is a good one in terms of qualify but they just look sorry for themselves in the last 4 weeks.
I'm using greenhouse seeds cheese strain.
Hope someone can give me a bit of direction!

7ml per L SEEMS LIKE A LOT

 

[murphy82]

So here's my grow at the moment with a week to go. Alot of brown crunchy leaves and canopy is quite droopy as stems don't support the weight. The pic of the can shows the size of the main colas

 

[murphy82]

Dried weight of those 6 plants will be anywhere from 13 - 16 oz. That's what I've been getting for the last few grows