Toxic Flint Water.

[BST]

I've been using filtered Flint Water. Filters don't remove the lead thought. I'm getting ready to harvest 6 socal m lush and 6 blue dawg. Plants look great but "smoke or not to smoke"??? Can ya smoke lead?

 

[PicklesRus]

Led not lead

 

[Yodaweed]

Led not lead

Where did you go to school, it's LEAD

Lead (/lɛd/) is a chemical element in the carbon group with symbol Pb (from Latin: plumbum) and atomic number 82. It is a soft, malleable and heavy post-transition metal. Lead has a bluish-white color when freshly cut and the melted liquid has shiny chrome-silver luster but it soon tarnishes to a dull grayish color when exposed to air. It is the heaviest (has the highest atomic number) non-radioactive element (two radioactive elements, namely technetium and promethium, are lighter).[a] Lead has the highest atomic number of all of the stable elements, although the next higher element, bismuth, has one isotope with a half-life that is so long (over one billion times the estimated age of the universe) that it can be considered stable. Lead's four stable isotopes each have 82 protons, a magic number in the nuclear shell model of atomic nuclei. The isotope lead-208 also has 126 neutrons, another magic number, and is hence double magic, a property that grants it enhanced stability: lead-208 is the heaviest known stable isotope.


He learnt him edumcation off the google machine!

 

[Indagrow]

That was a joke.. He must have gone to a school with a sense of humor?

Leads pretty heavy.. Can plants even suck that up? Would they? Any botanist laying around?

 

[Yodaweed]

That was a joke.. He must have gone to a school with a sense of humor?

Leads pretty heavy.. Can plants even suck that up? Would they? Any botanist laying around?

Many species of plants have been successful in absorbing contaminants such as lead, cadmium, chromium, arsenic, and various radionuclides from soils. One of phytoremediation categories, phytoextraction, can be used to remove heavy metals from soil using its ability to uptake metals which are essential for plant growth (Fe, Mn, Zn, Cu, Mg, Mo, and Ni). Some metals with unknown biological function (Cd, Cr, Pb, Co, Ag, Se, Hg) can also be accumulated [5].


http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijce/2011/939161/

 

[puffenuff]

Pretty dense reading but might answer some questions (or might not) about lead affects on plants. There's a section on land plants if you scroll down a ways

Lead Exposure to Animals and Plants
http://www.rst2.edu/msu/lead/university/resources/experts/leadinanimals/animal1.htm

 

[Abiqua]

Lead is not very soluble into plants....even then it would need to discovered if it is chelated/broken down/ passed thru the organism whole, to see if it comes out in smokable form...

Lead dust accumulation on foliage is extremely toxic. Whether that is an issue here, [could be with evapotranspiration....

Lastly, another thing seldom talked about is lead background especially in Flint....lead theoretically accumulates around highways and the closer to downtowns of major urban areas than farther out....and how long was GM open? and now it is a problem? Flint didn't just get fucked yesterday.......what is the background noise of Lead already? Ill bet it was thru the roof for the last 50 years....

Find someone growing in flint for the lsat 25 years, are they alive

 

[Yodaweed]

Lead is not very soluble into plants....even then it would need to discovered if it is chelated/broken down/ passed thru the organism whole, to see if it comes out in smokable form...

Lead dust accumulation on foliage is extremely toxic. Whether that is an issue here, [could be with evapotranspiration....

Lastly, another thing seldom talked about is lead background especially in Flint....lead theoretically accumulates around highways and the closer to downtowns of major urban areas than farther out....and how long was GM open? and now it is a problem? Flint didn't just get fucked yesterday.......

It's uptaken at the same rate as other heavy metals , like iron, zinc, mg, etc..... read the article I linked maybe you can learn something.

 

[Abiqua]

It's uptaken at the same rate as other heavy metals , like iron, zinc, mg, etc..... read the article I linked maybe you can learn something.

Please.....what is the background levels from GM then, didn't anybody think of that?

 

[Yodaweed]

Please.....what is the background levels from GM then, didn't anybody think of that?

I don't follow what you are saying... yes GM dumped tons and tons of chemicals and toxic crap into flint's water supply I don't think anyone was arguing they didn't...think we were talking about if weed plants can uptake lead from their water supply which they can.

 

[Abiqua]

I don't follow what you are saying... yes GM dumped tons and tons of chemicals and toxic crap into flint's water supply I don't think anyone was arguing they didn't...think we were talking about if weed plants can uptake lead from their water supply which they can.

Please quote the line at what rates and in what materials, because I missed that in the article....It's funny because that same line for verbatim is in the old graduate Soil Studies book I am reading, but then it ELABORATES further, unlike your article

 

[Yodaweed]

Please quote the line at what rates and in what materials, because I missed that in the article....It's funny because that same line for verbatim is in the old graduate Soil Studies book I am reading, but then it ELABORATES further, unlike your article

I don't think you can really measure those rates, different plants feed at different rates and eat different levels of nutrients which include uptake levels of heavy metals.

 

[Abiqua]

I don't follow what you are saying... yes GM dumped tons and tons of chemicals and toxic crap into flint's water supply I don't think anyone was arguing they didn't...think we were talking about if weed plants can uptake lead from their water supply which they can.

and again, what happens AFTER uptake, if you read my Fucking post, is it chelated, broken down into another compound, or passed thru as pure Lead?

 

[Abiqua]

I don't think you can really measure those rates, different plants feed at different rates and eat different levels of nutrients which include uptake levels of heavy metals.

Then your entire argument is broken if uptake cant be measured.........

 

[KingBlunted]

Yes heavy metals can be taken in by plants. Massachusetts has strictest heavy metal testing around for heavy metals in cannabis I do believe.

Honestly.. I'd still smoke it

 

[Yodaweed]

and again, what happens AFTER uptake, if you read my Fucking post, is it chelated, broken down into another compound, or passed thru as pure Lead?

Read the article I posted.....

it says this

2.2. Lead (Pb)
Lead (Pb), with atomic number 82, atomic weight 207.19, and a specific gravity of 11.34, is a bluish or silvery-grey metal with a melting point of 327.5°C and a boiling point at atmospheric pressure of 1740°C. It has four naturally occurring isotopes with atomic weights 208, 206, 207 and 204 (in decreasing order of abundance). Despite the fact that lead has four electrons on its valence shell, its typical oxidation state is +2 rather than +4, since only two of the four electrons ionize easily. Apart from nitrate, chlorate, and chloride, most of the inorganic salts of lead2+ have poor solubility in water [19]. Lead (Pb) exists in many forms in the natural sources throughout the world and is now one of the most widely and evenly distributed trace metals. Soil and plants can be contaminated by lead from car exhaust, dust, and gases from various industrial sources.

Pb2+ was found to be acute toxic to human beings when present in high amounts. Since Pb2+ is not biodegradable, once soil has become contaminated, it remains a long-term source of Pb2+ exposure. Metal pollution has a harmful effect on biological systems and does not undergo biodegradation [7].

Soil can be contaminated with Pb from several other sources such as industrial sites, from leaded fuels, old lead plumbing pipes, or even old orchard sites in production where lead arsenate is used. Lead accumulates in the upper 8 inches of the soil and is highly immobile. Contamination is long-term. Without remedial action, high soil lead levels will never return to normal [20].

In the environment, lead is known to be toxic to plants, animals, and microorganisms. Effects are generally limited to especially contaminated areas [21]. Pb contamination in the environment exists as an insoluble form, and the toxic metals pose serious human health problem, namely, brain damage and retardation [5].

 

[Yodaweed]

Then your entire argument is broken if uptake cant be measured.........

Lead literally can make you retarded.

 

[Abiqua]

Read the article I posted.....

it says this

2.2. Lead (Pb)
Lead (Pb), with atomic number 82, atomic weight 207.19, and a specific gravity of 11.34, is a bluish or silvery-grey metal with a melting point of 327.5°C and a boiling point at atmospheric pressure of 1740°C. It has four naturally occurring isotopes with atomic weights 208, 206, 207 and 204 (in decreasing order of abundance). Despite the fact that lead has four electrons on its valence shell, its typical oxidation state is +2 rather than +4, since only two of the four electrons ionize easily. Apart from nitrate, chlorate, and chloride, most of the inorganic salts of lead2+ have poor solubility in water [19]. Lead (Pb) exists in many forms in the natural sources throughout the world and is now one of the most widely and evenly distributed trace metals. Soil and plants can be contaminated by lead from car exhaust, dust, and gases from various industrial sources.

Pb2+ was found to be acute toxic to human beings when present in high amounts. Since Pb2+ is not biodegradable, once soil has become contaminated, it remains a long-term source of Pb2+ exposure. Metal pollution has a harmful effect on biological systems and does not undergo biodegradation [7].

Soil can be contaminated with Pb from several other sources such as industrial sites, from leaded fuels, old lead plumbing pipes, or even old orchard sites in production where lead arsenate is used. Lead accumulates in the upper 8 inches of the soil and is highly immobile. Contamination is long-term. Without remedial action, high soil lead levels will never return to normal [20].

In the environment, lead is known to be toxic to plants, animals, and microorganisms. Effects are generally limited to especially contaminated areas [21]. Pb contamination in the environment exists as an insoluble form, and the toxic metals pose serious human health problem, namely, brain damage and retardation [5].

which again says nothing...other than its bad! .....dUH

 

[Abiqua]

Lead literally can make you retarded.

you are proving it

 

[Yodaweed]

which again says nothing...other than its bad! .....dUH

You must be smoking lead I detect brain damage.