The bad seed thread.

thumper60

thumper60

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Dr. Who said:
Mostly BS!
50% of seeds are predeterminate sexually.(Female)
The other 50% will respond to environmental conditions, right up to 3-4 nodes, before making the sexual "choice"......
With proper popping and early seedling care - 90%+ females are possible......The best I've done is right at 90 and one of my employees gets an average of 95.....She's REALLY good at it!
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peace love but garbage no fuckin way
 
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kermit2692

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I approach that topic with an Ockham's razor mentality.. Can you come up with a single other species of anything that we can control the gender outcome? Or even determine that any animal/plant is born genderless and is assigned a gender at sexual maturity? I can't think of any. This is definitively answered in my book with this one question: in nature if it were true cannabis gender is determined by environment they would all or mostly be the same gender, what good is a field of males and a couple females in the world of procreation? Not much.. Instead the gender is determined by, drum roll, genetics!! Lol.. In time I've found seeds lean female slightly in ratio to males and that makes perfect sense in nature. This debate exists because of optimists lol
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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So I just got some test seeds in the mail. I have never made seeds before myself so maybe someone else can chime in but this one seed of the bunch is just rubbing me the wrong way. Still has alight green hue to it which makes think it is still a little early to try to germinate it but I don't honestly know. Thoughts?
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Just feel like that is gonna be the 1 that doesn't pop, the one point up against the grain of rice that is.
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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natro.hydro said:
So I just got some test seeds in the mail. I have never made seeds before myself so maybe someone else can chime in but this one seed of the bunch is just rubbing me the wrong way. Still has alight green hue to it which makes think it is still a little early to try to germinate it but I don't honestly know. Thoughts?
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Just feel like that is gonna be the 1 that doesn't pop, the one point up against the grain of rice that is.
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Give it a little pinch. If it crushes it's no good but if it doesn't then it might be good. :)
 
SwankyDank

SwankyDank

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natro.hydro said:
Just feel like that is gonna be the 1 that doesn't pop, the one point up against the grain of rice that is.
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Questionable at best.

Today I planted one that looked about the same as that, very pale, no stripes. I'll be back in this thread in a few days with the result.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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D_Urbmon said:
Give it a little pinch. If it crushes it's no good but if it doesn't then it might be good. :)
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I did that just after posting this, it no es bueno.
Think grateful gardens will pissed I squeezed a tester seed lol. I mean it didn't look viable as soon as I looked at it. Wouldn't have germed if I were Jesus Christ himself lol.
 
We Can Make Sandwiches

We Can Make Sandwiches

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natro.hydro said:
I did that just after posting this, it no es bueno.
Think grateful gardens will pissed I squeezed a tester seed lol. I mean it didn't look viable as soon as I looked at it. Wouldn't have germed if I were Jesus Christ himself lol.
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testers or not the beans should be viable to some degree.
the rest look good tho
 
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Sativa My Diva

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kermit2692 said:
I approach that topic with an Ockham's razor mentality.. Can you come up with a single other species of anything that we can control the gender outcome? Or even determine that any animal/plant is born genderless and is assigned a gender at sexual maturity? I can't think of any. This is definitively answered in my book with this one question: in nature if it were true cannabis gender is determined by environment they would all or mostly be the same gender, what good is a field of males and a couple females in the world of procreation? Not much.. Instead the gender is determined by, drum roll, genetics!! Lol.. In time I've found seeds lean female slightly in ratio to males and that makes perfect sense in nature. This debate exists because of optimists lol
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No, not exactly , there is a part of predomination like I would call it, otherwise climate would determine the sex of the plants.
To pick on animal where the gender completly is determined by temperature, is our ancient predator, the living dinosaur, the crocodile. 31°C gives (almost) exclusive males, 33°C gives (almost)exlcusive female. mother crocodile or is it caiman, determines the ventilation and right temperatures.

Nature is self-regulating and can solve a lot of problems.

I am a follower of permaculture, a lot of info to find about the work of nature.

I have made my first oudoor harvest back in '92 , did not grow each consecutive year and was pre-occupied mainly with starlight weed. Got some bulbs on now and I can be rough because I got more than one chance :)

My germinationrate for females is above 90¨% and some strong strains of mine are survivors and make female seeds. I am always glad to find some males so I can pollinate too.

Met my first herma outside last year with a boughed hybrid.

Good times outside in densed areas are almost over with all that sheite ruderalis and feminised seeds pollinating the environment
Take a hermafree grown fem and take a good microscope and you 'll see microseeds, no sensimillia for the fems

mother nature has all answers , take time to listen and see or time to invest in her
but that's the prob, all has to go fast.... ...

that's my view on it
 
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Sativa My Diva

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a 10 seeds nebula -paradise seeds pack from 2010 gave my 2 freaks thoughout the years and the last two remaining sprouted this March, too cold to be female for sure this germination, did not expect a thing from them

6 out of seven satoris came up , all female, very satisfied in how they turn out to be , especially the sativa-pheno

gonna make an order on herbie , was planning to do so I ll keep you updated on that batch.

respect for your germination skills
last year, scrophularia nodosa (figwort) did not germ due to lack of care
this year, mandragora officinarum (mandrake) I ll take along
I ll start today, not a bad time for northern hemisphere

nice you show that there is more to it than just receiving nugs
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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BCBD Purps 100% fail

Blue Satellite 2.2 50% germination rate probably old they had a sale going. Everything else has been decent but I try to stay away from old stock preferably from the breeder.
 
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kermit2692

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Sativa My Diva said:
No, not exactly , there is a part of predomination like I would call it, otherwise climate would determine the sex of the plants.
To pick on animal where the gender completly is determined by temperature, is our ancient predator, the living dinosaur, the crocodile. 31°C gives (almost) exclusive males, 33°C gives (almost)exlcusive female. mother crocodile or is it caiman, determines the ventilation and right temperatures.

Nature is self-regulating and can solve a lot of problems.

I am a follower of permaculture, a lot of info to find about the work of nature.

I have made my first oudoor harvest back in '92 , did not grow each consecutive year and was pre-occupied mainly with starlight weed. Got some bulbs on now and I can be rough because I got more than one chance :)

My germinationrate for females is above 90¨% and some strong strains of mine are survivors and make female seeds. I am always glad to find some males so I can pollinate too.

Met my first herma outside last year with a boughed hybrid.

Good times outside in densed areas are almost over with all that sheite ruderalis and feminised seeds pollinating the environment
Take a hermafree grown fem and take a good microscope and you 'll see microseeds, no sensimillia for the fems

mother nature has all answers , take time to listen and see or time to invest in her
but that's the prob, all has to go fast.... ...

that's my view on it
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If that's true the sex is still determined during development of the egg in crocodiles. So the equivalent would not be to change the environment during the seedling stage as commonly suggested but to change the environmental triggers during conception of the seeds. Interesting but I'm skeptical at best.

Also just fyi every female plant, not just feminized, will have a tiny premature seed inside of every single ovary/pistil. It's not actually a seed at all yet it's part of the ovary where the pollen is delivered down the style, consider it the egg waiting for the pollen before it will grow to a seed.
 
Eastcoasttreez

Eastcoasttreez

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recently decided to try out truenorthbank. they were out of stock of half my order and the viper cookies pack they sent me looked tampered with. the viper cookies pack had 5 white seeds and 1 cracked brown one. contacted them on the matter and they said they were out of stock but the could send me some canuk seeds to replace them. I don't want canuk seeds I wanted what I paid for. I told them I wanted to contact moxie seeds about the matter and they asked me not to. does anyone here know a contact email for moxie seeds?
 
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kermit2692

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Why don't you just get a refund or pick something they have that you DO want..ime seed banks will throw free stuff at you if they mess up and you aren't a dick about it. Next time use attitude and that won't happen ;) plus attitude has a moxie promo running right now you would have gotten three free grape kush..

Past that I believe moxie has a website called moxie extracts???!!
 
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