Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

[Elwood Diggler]

Im very late to this party lol , still cant contribute much until i find out my status from ICE on monday .

With that being said using rhetoric spewed at a debate is the absolute worst example of how anything is going to work with bernie sanders socialist utopia he has college kids & broke people frothing over , the 1st thing you need to understand is that socialism , just like capitalism , is a business , only with very different business models , socialist business model is far different than any other business model , its closest model is a ponzi scheme , screw the jibberish bernie spews because he isnt telling all the facts , nor are you allowed to see a successfull business model any EU country employs , sweden is near collapse so its best you dont use them as an example .

#1 Socialism is like a ponzi scheme , or to frame it in a more politically correct light socialism is exactly like a pension plan , the benifits being paid out today are from the work , and taxes paid in by others , lets say socialism is on a 1 person collecting for every 10 people paying scale for the sake of arguement , in order for that business model to work it requires a non stop work force ten times larger than the number of people collecting benifits , if any jobs are lost that loss goes direct into the pay out column , if any new " social debts " are created ( mass immigration ) those debts go into the pay out column .

#2 Socialism requires that the employement rate is allways paying in its equal , or above its pay out rate , the slightest loss of jobs creates less money in the " pay in column " , which then has enormous effects at the pay out end , which translates into 2 options , which are charging the fewer workers higher taxes , or paying out drastically reduced benifts to those not working but collect , you cant fudge the figures with political double talk .

3 No place in the entire world is there an example of a successfull socialist economy , sweden has only been socialist for about 50 yrs & are now nearing collapse .

You might point to other EU countries as an example & id counter with greece , for nearly 12 yrs greece has been bankrupt & are supported by the rest of the EU , who are getting seriously pissed off about supporting an entire country where its more profitable to collect than work , sweden while nearing collapse is the best example of a socialist government , greece being the absolute worst , and no EU socialist country has the massive government costs of the usa , or our military costs & they are all in seriois economic trouble right now , youd know much more if most of the EU & UK werent in a forced media , and social media black out .

Lets go back to the utopia of sweden , who has 1,50th the immigrants the usa has , sweden has proven it takes 7-8 yrs to get roughly half the unemployed immigrant work force employeed so they can " start " paying in taxes , the other 50% will remain jobless their entire lives , these numbers are from economists in sweden , so for every 10,000 unemployed people those 10,000 are a full burden on the " pay out " column for 7-8 yrs , to offset this huge payout another 100,000 workers need to be added to the economys " pay in " tax column immediately , or drastically raise workers taxes again ,which sweden is learning the hard way will break your economy .

All you guys rooting for bernie sanders have been witheld information critical to the issue , socialism is a ponzi scheme who's apeal is to those who dont have , those that wish they had , and those who want free shit , not a single working person wants socialism .

can you point to any conservative policy successes? michigan? kansas? wisconsin?

 

[panhead]

can you point to any conservative policy successes? michigan? kansas? wisconsin?

Im from Michigan & most that know me here , and in real life would consider me a success , some would even say wealthy , if i can do it in mich anybody can , everybody knows im a hard left leaning democrat as well but this sanders socialism is too far out to lunch .

But ill throw that right back at ya & counter with this , the glorious savior of socialist reform here in the usa that is the bern , can you point to any single success in his life ? im worth more than bernie sanders is & that isnt a joke its fact , if he couldnt earn a respectable living his whole life , with a college degree , that speaks volumes , look at sanders home state , is it a success story ? hell no , if in 27 yrs bernie couldnt fix his own state why would you think he can fix america , because he studied chomsky ? ive personally done better finincially with a 7th grade education & 2 terms in prison than berni has accomplished in his college educated life .

Tell me all the success bernie has accomplished .

 

[Michigan Med Creamery]

I think this convo is hilarious.

 

[panhead]

Socialism =/= Ponzi scheme = Republican policy

How have you been bud ?

I pm'ed a few well known members & filled them in about my legal issues & my problems with customs & immigration , i cant say much in open forum for obviois reasons , were expecting several rulings on monday , if they go my way i'll get my seized homes & assets back , if not im in much trouble still & my family will be deported , all i can say for now .

 

[ttystikk]

Im from Michigan & most that know me here , and in real life would consider me a success , some would even say wealthy , if i can do it in mich anybody can , everybody knows im a hard left leaning democrat as well but this sanders socialism is too far out to lunch .

But ill throw that right back at ya & counter with this , the glorious savior of socialist reform here in the usa that is the bern , can you point to any single success in his life ? im worth more than bernie sanders is & that isnt a joke its fact , if he couldnt earn a respectable living his whole life , with a college degree , that speaks volumes , look at sanders home state , is it a success story ? hell no , if in 27 yrs bernie couldnt fix his own state why would you think he can fix america , because he studied chomsky ? ive personally done better finincially with a 7th grade education & 2 terms in prison than berni has accomplished in his college educated life .

Tell me all the success bernie has accomplished .

Are you seriously equating someone's value with their net worth? Anyone's, let alone someone running for political office?!

Frankly, the fact that Mr Sanders ISN'T loaded is a selling point for me. It says the man can't be corrupted by money.

By your metric, Mitt Romney should be President tomorrow!

 

[Padawanbater2]

Im from Michigan & most that know me here , and in real life would consider me a success , some would even say wealthy , if i can do it in mich anybody can , everybody knows im a hard left leaning democrat as well but this sanders socialism is too far out to lunch .

But ill throw that right back at ya & counter with this , the glorious savior of socialist reform here in the usa that is the bern , can you point to any single success in his life ? im worth more than bernie sanders is & that isnt a joke its fact , if he couldnt earn a respectable living his whole life , with a college degree , that speaks volumes , look at sanders home state , is it a success story ? hell no , if in 27 yrs bernie couldnt fix his own state why would you think he can fix america , because he studied chomsky ? ive personally done better finincially with a 7th grade education & 2 terms in prison than berni has accomplished in his college educated life .

Tell me all the success bernie has accomplished .

Do you understand there's a big difference between "Socialism" as seen in the USSR & Venezuela and "Democratic Socialism" as seen in Denmark and Norway?

 

[ttystikk]

How have you been bud ?

I pm'ed a few well known members & filled them in about my legal issues & my problems with customs & immigration , i cant say much in open forum for obviois reasons , were expecting several rulings on monday , if they go my way i'll get my seized homes & assets back , if not im in much trouble still & my family will be deported , all i can say for now .

I've been well, Sir. I am sorry to hear about your legal troubles. Only in America are you persecuted for saving your own family from war and death.

 

[panhead]

I think this convo is hilarious.

It will get even better soon lol .

 

[Elwood Diggler]

Im from Michigan & most that know me here , and in real life would consider me a success , some would even say wealthy , if i can do it in mich anybody can , everybody knows im a hard left leaning democrat as well but this sanders socialism is too far out to lunch .

But ill throw that right back at ya & counter with this , the glorious savior of socialist reform here in the usa that is the bern , can you point to any single success in his life ? im worth more than bernie sanders is & that isnt a joke its fact , if he couldnt earn a respectable living his whole life , with a college degree , that speaks volumes , look at sanders home state , is it a success story ? hell no , if in 27 yrs bernie couldnt fix his own state why would you think he can fix america , because he studied chomsky ? ive personally done better finincially with a 7th grade education & 2 terms in prison than berni has accomplished in his college educated life .

Tell me all the success bernie has accomplished .

any idea why he's been reelected?

-Wildly popular in a state that is not the liberal monolith some think it is, winning many elections with as much as 86% of the vote
-Several businessmen called him Burlington's best mayor, because he did things like revitalize the waterfront and create opportunity there.
-Never ran a single negative attack ad in a 30 year career
-Opposed TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, Keystone XL, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq War from day one
-Strongly supports Medicare for All, repairing our crumbling infrastructure, and debt-free college
-Fought for civil rights (including for gays) before it was cool
-Champion of the common American
-Actually tells the damn truth

Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget
Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Member, Subcommittee on Energy
Member, Subcommittee on National Parks
Member, Subcommittee on Water and Power
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Member, Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife
Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Sanders and his allies helped to create in Burlington, the city’s largest housing development is now resident-owned, its largest supermarket is a consumer-owned cooperative, one of its largest private employers is worker-owned, and most of its people-oriented waterfront is publicly owned. Its publicly owned utility, the Burlington Electric Department, recently announced that Burlington is the first American city of any decent size to run entirely on renewable electricity.


you're 50 miles south of the latest teabillie fuckup. what has snyder done? brownback? walker?christie? rubio? cruz? trump?

for fucks sake man, trump even admitted to wanting to fuck his daughter

 

[since1991]

Trump said that? Are you fukin kidding me? Wow

 

[panhead]

I've been well, Sir. I am sorry to hear about your legal troubles. Only in America are you persecuted for saving your own family from war and death.

Well thats part of it , the state dept has issues with who we paid for security & how much we paid them , they also consider my brother inlaw a " combatant " because of our ties to peshmerga , ive got some " smuggling " issues as well , Its been a fucking nightmare , hopefully things go in our favor monday morning .

 

[panhead]

any idea why he's been reelected?

-Wildly popular in a state that is not the liberal monolith some think it is, winning many elections with as much as 86% of the vote
-Several businessmen called him Burlington's best mayor, because he did things like revitalize the waterfront and create opportunity there.
-Never ran a single negative attack ad in a 30 year career
-Opposed TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, Keystone XL, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq War from day one
-Strongly supports Medicare for All, repairing our crumbling infrastructure, and debt-free college
-Fought for civil rights (including for gays) before it was cool
-Champion of the common American
-Actually tells the damn truth

Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget
Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Member, Subcommittee on Energy
Member, Subcommittee on National Parks
Member, Subcommittee on Water and Power
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Member, Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife
Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Sanders and his allies helped to create in Burlington, the city’s largest housing development is now resident-owned, its largest supermarket is a consumer-owned cooperative, one of its largest private employers is worker-owned, and most of its people-oriented waterfront is publicly owned. Its publicly owned utility, the Burlington Electric Department, recently announced that Burlington is the first American city of any decent size to run entirely on renewable electricity.


you're 50 miles south of the latest teabillie fuckup. what has snyder done? brownback? walker?christie? rubio? cruz? trump?

for fucks sake man, trump even admitted to wanting to fuck his daughter

Well as for " why " bernie has been reelected may i point to the stupidity of people voting incumbant , holding long term office is little indication of quality of performance .

You do realize everything you pasted in there amounts to a hill of beans finincially ? theres people on this site who generate more income from pot than bernie has generated , i want to see the bottom dollar of his state , which i allready know , i can tell you that both bernie & obama lied their asses off , both bailed on the promise to stop income tax for social security age elderly , to me that means more than building appartments for state aid recipients .

Whoever said trump wanted to fuck his own kid has been watching too much Young Turks clips on youtube lol , im not a superfan of the trumpster but thats just idiotic , somebody PLEASE post a link to where he said that .

 

[Padawanbater2]

Well as for " why " bernie has been reelected may i point to the stupidity of people voting incumbant , holding long term office is little indication of quality of performance .

You do realize everything you pasted in there amounts to a hill of beans finincially ? theres people on this site who generate more income from pot than bernie has generated , i want to see the bottom dollar of his state , which i allready know .

Whoever said trump wanted to fuck his own kid has been watching too much Young Turks clips on youtube lol , im not a superfan of the trumpster but thats just idiotic , somebody PLEASE post a link to where he said that .

The man's net worth has nothing to do with his ability to be president, that's an extremely poor argument. Human value is not dependent upon how much money you have

He is miles ahead of all other candidates on things like campaign finance reform, health care, education, economics, civil rights, social issues, abortion rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, the poor & middle class.. 2nd isn't even in the same ballpark

 

[panhead]

The man's net worth has nothing to do with his ability to be president, that's an extremely poor argument. Human value is not dependent upon how much money you have

He is miles ahead of all other candidates on things like campaign finance reform, health care, education, economics, civil rights, social issues, abortion rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, the poor & middle class.. 2nd isn't even in the same ballpark

Thats so wrong pada , tell that to corporations , a mans ability to build his own net worth well above the poverty line speaks encyclopedias worth of important info , saying otherwise is a cop out for failures in life .

Bernies " social " accomplisments put him in the running to lead the peace corps , not the worlds 2nd largest for profit business .

As an edit do you honestly even for a spilt second think lgbt rights are a main talking point about fixing whats fucked up with america , can you possibly be seriois ? who care whos sucking what , keeping jobs in the country , bringing jobs back to the usa , taking the 20% of black america thats habitually unemployed off of welfare & into a real job , like obama promised in 2008 , those are issues , lgbt is utter nonsense becuse nobody gives a fuck about lgbt , seriously what is bernie gonna do for them they cant allready do , nobody cares if your gay , lgbt or any of that , people want jobs , thats the real deal the rest is political correctness in action .

 

[ttystikk]

Thats so wrong pada , tell that to corporations , a mans ability to build his own net worth well above the poverty line speaks encyclopedias worth of important info , saying otherwise is a cop out for failures in life .

Bernies " social " accomplisments put him in the running to lead the peace corps , not the worlds 2nd largest for profit business .

Except, these people very often appreciate the opportunity for graft the presidency represents. Or hasn't 40 years of republican ripoffs been enough to convince you?

 

[Corso312]

Well as for " why " bernie has been reelected may i point to the stupidity of people voting incumbant , holding long term office is little indication of quality of performance .

You do realize everything you pasted in there amounts to a hill of beans finincially ? theres people on this site who generate more income from pot than bernie has generated , i want to see the bottom dollar of his state , which i allready know , i can tell you that both bernie & obama lied their asses off , both bailed on the promise to stop income tax for social security age elderly , to me that means more than building appartments for state aid recipients .

Whoever said trump wanted to fuck his own kid has been watching too much Young Turks clips on youtube lol , im not a superfan of the trumpster but thats just idiotic , somebody PLEASE post a link to where he said that .

You didn't see that pic of him n his daughter posing on top of two parrots fucking I take it.

Dick Cheyney n George Bush made a lot of dough while in office..you think those two scumbags should be emulated?

 

[panhead]

Are you seriously equating someone's value with their net worth? Anyone's, let alone someone running for political office?!

Frankly, the fact that Mr Sanders ISN'T loaded is a selling point for me. It says the man can't be corrupted by money.

By your metric, Mitt Romney should be President tomorrow!

I think the bigger question should be " how can you not " equate a candidates " personal finincial accomplishments " with their ability to operate the 2nd largest economy in the world , using the example of broke is better why dont we elect Ned the wino for president ? he's made bad finincial choices all his life & has zero ability to make money .

Have you ever saw a broke dick create a single job ? i havent , and bernies own absymal employement record shows he will never create a single job .

 

[since1991]

Apparently what goes on in the bedroom is very important to the politicians in Lansing. Fuck the people in Flint being poisoned by the drinking water.....they dont want people to get corn holed.

 

[Elwood Diggler]

Well as for " why " bernie has been reelected may i point to the stupidity of people voting incumbant , holding long term office is little indication of quality of performance .

You do realize everything you pasted in there amounts to a hill of beans finincially ? theres people on this site who generate more income from pot than bernie has generated , i want to see the bottom dollar of his state , which i allready know , i can tell you that both bernie & obama lied their asses off , both bailed on the promise to stop income tax for social security age elderly , to me that means more than building appartments for state aid recipients .

Whoever said trump wanted to fuck his own kid has been watching too much Young Turks clips on youtube lol , im not a superfan of the trumpster but thats just idiotic , somebody PLEASE post a link to where he said that .

bernie has been reelected mainly due to the fact he does what he says he's going to do. any republicans you can say the same thing about?

apartments that are resident owned?

trump said he wanted to fuck his daughter

"Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father ..."

"If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her,"
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-seriously-20150909?page=13

as far as financial success, if you want to measure it that way, hillary wins that one hands down.

now that i've answered you questions, answer mine.

what successes can republicans point to? where has conservative policies actually worked?

 

[since1991]

I think you pay way too much attention to other peoples "financial accomplishments" i can tell you that much.