Should APPLE be forced to unlock San Bernardino terrorist iphone

NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Would anyone like to explain how this would have prevented San Bernadino? Unless the government is pre-emptively listening to phone conversations this wouldnt have helped one bit.
 
Dr. Who

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see4 said:
People write the darndest things while they're high as fuck. bongsmilie
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I'm not high! :finger:

Please tell us how you open the phone without a password to actually access the OS TO open the phone in the way you imply???

I run 11 random letters and numbers with caps interspersed on my Note 4.....It runs the same "type" of password encryption as the Apples have......The only way is to do a "Hard reset" Boom - all info in the phone is gone! In android phones you can get in through your google account and reset the password AND you have to have device manager enabled to do that.....Now why would anyone leave the device manager enabled full time? Last I heard Google wasn't giving out personal info either......

If you have an Android and your running 4.4 or better......They ain't getting in unless you tell them the PW...just like iPhones!
Fuck the OS, you have to get by the password encryption first...
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Dr. Who said:
I'm not high! :finger:

Please tell us how you open the phone without a password to actually access the OS TO open the phone in the way you imply???

I run 11 random letters and numbers with caps interspersed on my Note 4.....It runs the same "type" of password encryption as the Apples have......The only way is to do a "Hard reset" Boom - all info in the phone is gone! In android phones you can get in through your google account and reset the password AND you have to have device manager enabled to do that.....Now why would anyone leave the device manager enabled full time? Last I heard Google wasn't giving out personal info either......

If you have an Android and your running 4.4 or better......They ain't getting in unless you tell them the PW...just like iPhones!
Fuck the OS, you have to get by the password encryption first...
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You are not allowed to post here unless high!!!
 
Corso312

Corso312

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My Buddy's wife works in that industry, she left for big pay raise..she's the one who told me our analysts are behind some 15 year old Russians.. You can type all bullshit ya like.. I got this from the horses mouth.
 
see4

see4

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Dr. Who said:
I'm not high! :finger:

Please tell us how you open the phone without a password to actually access the OS TO open the phone in the way you imply???

I run 11 random letters and numbers with caps interspersed on my Note 4.....It runs the same "type" of password encryption as the Apples have......The only way is to do a "Hard reset" Boom - all info in the phone is gone! In android phones you can get in through your google account and reset the password AND you have to have device manager enabled to do that.....Now why would anyone leave the device manager enabled full time? Last I heard Google wasn't giving out personal info either......

If you have an Android and your running 4.4 or better......They ain't getting in unless you tell them the PW...just like iPhones!
Fuck the OS, you have to get by the password encryption first...
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I think you, like many people, confuse encryption with OS security.

You are partially correct when you say "get by the password encryption", as passwords themselves are encrypted, ie. a password of "abc123" would save to a database as something like 'D49giG90/3L99$Kggo3805==' -- and if one were to attempt to brute force attack a password locked OS, they would need to be able to slam the database with millions upon millions of "random" passwords until they "hit" the right one.

Here is where it becomes a little more complicated. Modern day operating systems (OS) have various ways of gaining root level access (same as successfully entering password). For example, I do not need your password to gain access to your Windows computer, and with little effort gain access. Mac computers are slightly more difficult, but still doable, as they run on a particular version of Apple OS software, MacOS. Linux machines are much harder to gain access to, as they have much fewer ways to gain root level access, but still not totally impossible. iOS machines, iPhones, iPads, etc are about as difficult to gain access to as a well secured Linux machine, that is to say, it is VERY difficult to do so without "backdoor" access or a real password. But still not impossible.

Android software is not as secure as MacOS or iOS, it is much easier to gain root level access to an Android device than iPhones.

So no, exact opposite in fact, Fuck the password, you have to get by the OS "encryption" first.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Corso312 said:
The Feds hire clean cut book worm types..need a ridiculously clean record.. They need to have an open tryout n up their pay to get the real hackers...the only hackers that don't fit the typical nerd hire is when they arrest them n cut a deal to work with the CIA or FBI instead of prison.
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Actually, several of the best hackers got turned and work for the alphabet guys!
see4 said:
I think you, like many people, confuse encryption with OS security.

You are partially correct when you say "get by the password encryption", as passwords themselves are encrypted, ie. a password of "abc123" would save to a database as something like 'D49giG90/3L99$Kggo3805==' -- and if one were to attempt to brute force attack a password locked OS, they would need to be able to slam the database with millions upon millions of "random" passwords until they "hit" the right one.

Here is where it becomes a little more complicated. Modern day operating systems (OS) have various ways of gaining root level access (same as successfully entering password). For example, I do not need your password to gain access to your Windows computer, and with little effort gain access. Mac computers are slightly more difficult, but still doable, as they run on a particular version of Apple OS software, MacOS. Linux machines are much harder to gain access to, as they have much fewer ways to gain root level access, but still not totally impossible. iOS machines, iPhones, iPads, etc are about as difficult to gain access to as a well secured Linux machine, that is to say, it is VERY difficult to do so without "backdoor" access or a real password. But still not impossible.

Android software is not as secure as MacOS or iOS, it is much easier to gain root level access to an Android device than iPhones.

So no, exact opposite in fact, Fuck the password, you have to get by the OS "encryption" first.
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Thank you! THIS, I understand!
 
Joe Blows Trees

Joe Blows Trees

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I see posts that keep saying hack into it or use a pc/mac/ibm to run multiple numbers to get it open. I think the feds would have done that if it were that easy. According to the information I'm reading, the problem is, if you make to many wrong attempts to crack the phone, it will wipe the phone clean which renders it useless. That's why they went to apple. Let's be real, the government has access to technology the general public has no knowledge of so if it was possible to get into, they'd have done it without telling us.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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doublejj said:
It may lead to identifying other co-conspirators of the terrorists & possibly stop another mass murders....
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That wouldnt have prevented San Bernadino now would it?

Maybe if the government would have actually been competent when doing a background check on the wife's visa application. Something as simple as finding out her address was bogus... Naah, let's take away citizen's liberties instead....
 
doublejj

doublejj

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NLXSK1 said:
That wouldnt have prevented San Bernadino now would it?

Maybe if the government would have actually been competent when doing a background check on the wife's visa application. Something as simple as finding out her address was bogus... Naah, let's take away citizen's liberties instead....
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No you would need a crystal ball for that......until we develop one of those, prevention is the best plan......
 
a mongo frog

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NLXSK1 said:
You mean like doing background checks on Visa's? Why doesnt anyone want to talk about the failure of government here!!
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Why talk about it? Your acting like you just heard about our government failing us for the first time in your life. You keep beating a dead horse. We all know dude.
 
2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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Exactly NL why are people not demanding the heads of people that allowed her into the country but bitch at apple for not complying
Sad thing is people are to blind to see Apple is protecting your ASS but for many there to blind to see that
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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a mongo frog said:
Why talk about it? Your acting like you just heard about our government failing us for the first time in your life. You keep beating a dead horse. We all know dude.
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The government failed us so Obama wants to take away the 2nd amendment and the FBI wants to take away the 4th...

How about we take away their jobs and put more competent people in charge?
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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NLXSK1 said:
The government failed us so Obama wants to take away the 2nd amendment and the FBI wants to take away the 4th...

How about we take away their jobs and put more competent people in charge?
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So whats your plan? Ridicule everyones thoughts and comments because your always right all the time? We know the government is fucked up, fucking us, lying to us etc. Its nothing new.
 
2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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Yup they said they were terrorist and we must believe what they said that is media and FBI all that was , Was a bunch of lunatics that are Muslim,, and FBI running with it to scare more people hey its true how to control a population ??? by having them scared
Just like Stalin said move forward and fight if you turn around i shoot you my self Guess what they moved forward lol
Everyone thinks the FBI even if they got into the phone ??? would say there was nothing in it hahaha
Shit they would come up with hundred other planned attack all fucking lies to fit there agenda SCARE THE PEOPLE
now you got all these make belief ISIS attacks and not one really funded by ISIS there just fucking followers of a cult
I tell you i think most will know if and when the real ISIS plans and does a attack on US soil i guarntee everyone will know the differene beween couple lunatics and a planned cell backed by funds from ISIS
Cause it would prob be such a coordinated attacks that like 911 would not know wtf hit you
 
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