Have you owned a business/company?

[Red1966]

Most of the people I know would still have jobs. I don't honestly know that many people that make minimum wage out here. As stated before, I live in Los Angeles , where you cannot survive off min wage. So literally this will not affect anyone around me. Anyone I know that wants cheap labor outsources, again another argument, but pay their employees well over minimum wage.


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Or hire illegals

 

[kmog33]

So you rent a place with a view of a parking lot. I'm impressed. Really, I am.

Yeah that is the view straigh down. Fortunately were the last tall building on Main Street so our view is actually of all of Los Angeles down to Orange County.

I'm actually glad we aren't on the other side it just looks into other skyscrapers lol.


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[UncleBuck]

kmog is sooooooo LA.

 

[NLXSK1]

And now we got the ignored member chiming in. Someone who quite possibly has the least experience with employment and employers on the site. With that, I am gonna go to work ;]

 

[kmog33]

So you rent a place with a view of a parking lot. I'm impressed. Really, I am.

Here's the view from the other side. Hazard of living in a city. Fortunately got a house closer to the beach as well.

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[UncleBuck]

And now we got the ignored member chiming in. Someone who quite possibly has the least experience with employment and employers on the site. With that, I am gonna go to work ;]

you are a neverending failure who has to take personal loans to cover living expenses. you scrub shit off of pools for $20 a pop. that is your "business".

meanwhile, i am an independent contractor who works as a lead installer for the largest branch of the highest quality replacement window installation company in the nation.

i work in mansions that an apache junction pool scrubber like you couldn't even fathom the existence of.

so yeah, you can go ahead and run away now, and let the successful businessmen talk.

 

[kmog33]

kmog is sooooooo LA.

It's a hazard. We're actually looking at houses in WA right now to avoid capital Gaines.(jk)

We actually realized we can get a 5 bedroom house in Bellevue for what our loft costs a month in DTLA.

Plus I like the trees. I liked living up in mendo for a couple years.


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[ThickStemz]

name one single business that has gone under due to a minimum wage increase then.



factually incorrect.

Average Time on AFCD (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Time on AFDCPercent of Recipients
Less than 7 months19%
7 to 12 months15.2%
1 to 2 years19.3%
.

By your own graphs and data it appears 45% of people are on that assistance for over 2 years... that's pretty trappish.

And it also looks like minimum wage is the same real wage it was when it started.

 

[londonfog]

You pay insurance on employees, not taxes. Employees DEDUCT from your taxes.

OMG how dumb dumb dumb are you. The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total.
Have you ever owned a business...and being an arsonist is not a business

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'd like to keep this thread open, so if we can keep the personal attacks/insults to a minimum that would be great


It seems the biggest issue so far when it comes to business is labor costs. With conservatives believing that lower wages increase employment and that those making a wage that is so low they can't afford basic necessities should either seek other employment with a higher wage, invest in themselves by either getting an education or job training, and that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are detrimental to workers because, by design, they're meant to be permanent. Extrapolating the data from the Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family? thread, I'm going to assume they believe the extreme cases of need should be dealt with through religious institutions/food banks/charity

& progressives believing that higher wages increase employment (more people have more disposable income, they spend it at said businesses, said businesses hire more employees to meet the demand, etc.) and those businesses that don't pay a living wage requiring the employee to utilize government welfare programs shouldn't exist at all. They believe that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are beneficial to workers because they provide a small cushion of relief from homelessness and/or hunger and allow you to have a better chance at climbing back up the social mobility ladder


So what would both of these societies look like, side by side? What happens in the conservative society if/when the number of downtrodden is higher than the number of available religious institutions/food banks/charities?

 

[londonfog]

I'd like to keep this thread open, so if we can keep the personal attacks/insults to a minimum that would be great


It seems the biggest issue so far when it comes to business is labor costs. With conservatives believing that lower wages increase employment and that those making a wage that is so low they can't afford basic necessities should either seek other employment with a higher wage, invest in themselves by either getting an education or job training, and that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are detrimental to workers because, by design, they're meant to be permanent. Extrapolating the data from the Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family? thread, I'm going to assume they believe the extreme cases of need should be dealt with through religious institutions/food banks/charity

& progressives believing that higher wages increase employment (more people have more disposable income, they spend it at said businesses, said businesses hire more employees to meet the demand, etc.) and those businesses that don't pay a living wage requiring the employee to utilize government welfare programs shouldn't exist at all. They believe that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are beneficial to workers because they provide a small cushion of relief from homelessness and/or hunger and allow you to have a better chance at climbing back up the social mobility ladder


So what would both of these societies look like, side by side? What happens in the conservative society if/when the number of downtrodden is higher than the number of available religious institutions/food banks/charities?

FUCK YOU J/K

 

[UncleBuck]

By your own graphs and data it appears 45% of people are on that assistance for over 2 years... that's pretty trappish.

so most people who need assistance don't need it after two years otr less, hence it is a trap?

pretty stupid, even for a dumb racist like you.

 

[ThickStemz]

so most people who need assistance don't need it after two years otr less, hence it is a trap?

pretty stupid, even for a dumb racist like you.

Yeah, I'd say it's a trap becuase almost half of the people seem to make it a way of life.

 

[UncleBuck]

you clearly don't know what a trap is.

 

[NLXSK1]

I'd like to keep this thread open, so if we can keep the personal attacks/insults to a minimum that would be great


It seems the biggest issue so far when it comes to business is labor costs. With conservatives believing that lower wages increase employment and that those making a wage that is so low they can't afford basic necessities should either seek other employment with a higher wage, invest in themselves by either getting an education or job training, and that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are detrimental to workers because, by design, they're meant to be permanent. Extrapolating the data from the Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family? thread, I'm going to assume they believe the extreme cases of need should be dealt with through religious institutions/food banks/charity

& progressives believing that higher wages increase employment (more people have more disposable income, they spend it at said businesses, said businesses hire more employees to meet the demand, etc.) and those businesses that don't pay a living wage requiring the employee to utilize government welfare programs shouldn't exist at all. They believe that social safety net programs like SNAP or housing allowances are beneficial to workers because they provide a small cushion of relief from homelessness and/or hunger and allow you to have a better chance at climbing back up the social mobility ladder


So what would both of these societies look like, side by side? What happens in the conservative society if/when the number of downtrodden is higher than the number of available religious institutions/food banks/charities?

I think the business people are looking at things differently. When people are hired at minimum wage it is typically a trial period. Frequently people are given a raise within 6 weeks. In a world with plentiful jobs there are jobs above minimum wage that are sustained. Office jobs, sales jobs, management jobs, etc. We are not advocating everyone work for minimum wage.

The flip side is the competition for GOOD workers. If you are a good worker then you can advertise your skills and get a better job. Employers are constantly making sure their wages are equal to or better than the industry standard or they lose their good workforce to other people. This is why good workers are never going to work for minimum wage for a long period of time.

Look back to Bill Clinton when he passed the workfare legislation. Look how people got jobs once their welfare ended and how the economy did better because of it. When push came to shove people improved their lives.

What would a society look like where you received all the money you worked for and then could decide whether to spend or save it.

 

[UncleBuck]

I think the business people are looking at things differently. When people are hired at minimum wage it is typically a trial period. Frequently people are given a raise within 6 weeks. In a world with plentiful jobs there are jobs above minimum wage that are sustained. Office jobs, sales jobs, management jobs, etc. We are not advocating everyone work for minimum wage.

The flip side is the competition for GOOD workers. If you are a good worker then you can advertise your skills and get a better job. Employers are constantly making sure their wages are equal to or better than the industry standard or they lose their good workforce to other people. This is why good workers are never going to work for minimum wage for a long period of time.

Look back to Bill Clinton when he passed the workfare legislation. Look how people got jobs once their welfare ended and how the economy did better because of it. When push came to shove people improved their lives.

What would a society look like where you received all the money you worked for and then could decide whether to spend or save it.

you're just scared because if they raise minimum wage, people will start scrubbing the shit off their own pools and you'll be out of a job.

poor, untalented, unskilled loser.

 

[Red1966]

Depends on who's perspective you're looking at it from.

For they business owners, it mean you pay less in taxes and benefits per employees.

For the employees, you're making twice as much money that you see and get to spend. Most people would say that's a win. Granted I know it isn't really because insurance/healthcare isn't cheap, but hey, they just made the affordable care act, so if you can't afford your insurance the government will help you out. With money that people like me pay into the system so all the people that can't afford insurance still get it.

That is a totally different argument, but as far as it goes you would be spending more and less as a business owner depending on how you choose to adapt to wage hikes


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No, the employee is not making twice as much. He's making the same amount. You have no ability to do even simple math at all. How do you function at all?

 

[Red1966]

OMG how dumb dumb dumb are you. The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total.
Have you ever owned a business...and being an arsonist is not a business

You get to deduct the entire cost of employee's wages, SS tax, benefits, etc. SS and Medicare payments are employee's wages the government takes from the employee without consent, and requires the employer to hide that fact. SS is 6.2%. Unless you are self-employed, then it's 12.4% Because all taxes the employer pays on your wage come out of your pocket, not his. They just make it up by paying you less.

 

[kmog33]

No, the employee is not making twice as much. He's making the same amount. You have no ability to do even simple math at all. How do you function at all?

A day and a half later and your reading comprehension still puts you on par with an amoeba. Get over it, it was over a day ago. You have proved you have the education of a 3rd grader. I'm not going to quote any more of my posts or breaking any of them down in hopes you may gain a better basic knowledge of these English language. It may help your failing businesses, but you seem stuck on retard mode. So have a good time in that tiny box underpaying your employees and wondering why you get shit work done for you.

You're ignored now as you've proved incapable of intelligent discussion, comprehending what you read, and staying on point.

Peace.


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[see4]

I think 10-12 is a reasonable min wage.

Average car loan: $200/month
Average car insurance: $60/month
Average cell phone: $60/month
Average food bill: $400/month
Average rent: $800/month
Average utilities (including basic cable + internet): $300/month
Total of above: $1820/month
And that just for a single person living alone. And that's just the basics.

Working 40 hours a week at $11/hour = $440 - $70 taxes = $370 * 4 = $1480/month

No, $11/hour is not enough.