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NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
I see you're backing away from my challenge to you to do the math for yourself and prove me wrong, I wonder why?

You're holding two inconsistent positions; on the one hand, you think employers should be able to keep more of their money if they work more and produce more, but on the other hand, you think employers should be able to keep more of their employees money if they work more and produce more...

So why do you support employers rights but not employees rights under the exact same circumstances?

I bet you can't answer that
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We look at things in two completely different ways.

We all have needs. You think that you deserve a paycheck, I know that I have to work for a paycheck. If I want more I have to work harder. If you want more... Well, you can try to get it from your boss or the government but you will probably just end up angry.

Nobody owes you anything.
 
Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
We look at things in two completely different ways.

We all have needs. You think that you deserve a paycheck, I know that I have to work for a paycheck. If I want more I have to work harder. If you want more... Well, you can try to get it from your boss or the government but you will probably just end up angry.

Nobody owes you anything.
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I think people who work full time should be paid a living wage, I don't think employers should legally be allowed to pay employees as little as possible to make exceedingly higher and higher profits at their expense and rely on the taxpayer to subsidizes the difference

You would love to try and frame the conversation as "liberals/progressives just want free shit" like your favorite political pundits do, when the reality is that people who work full time, many who have more than one job, are struggling because their wages aren't high enough, and their wages aren't high enough because those same people selling you the idea that poor people and minorities are the cause of all your problems rigged the system to keep their wages low because when their wages are low, they get to steal all the extra economic gains that result from the increased levels of production. Again, I invite you to prove me wrong on any of this, but you can't so you never will. You'll just repeat more falsified nonsense the republican party tells you to repeat.
 
NLXSK1

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You base everything on your need without any underlying business model to support it.

Wages are not high enough because the government keeps pushing inflation which devalues the dollar. After every 25 years our money is worth half as much as it used to be.

The government does this because it is beneficial to the government even though it is devastating to the poor and people who attempt to save money.

I dont dislike the poor, I want them to be prosperous like everyone else. The way forward is by having more rich people, more jobs, more prosperity, not less.

Your position is to attack the rich, make jobs more expensive and demand things not based on economics.

And I understand that it comes from a lack of understanding about wages and the business model.

Most business have wages as their biggest cost and you want to double that cost. Most businesses also make less than 5% profit on their annual work. That profit is nowhere near enough to cover the increase in wages. So the costs have to go up and everything becomes more expensive.

This is where you demand a $20.00 minimum wage... And it keeps spiralling down.
 
Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
Drone program - Collateral damage...
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Quote where Obama supports killing the family members of ISIS. Something like this quote from Trump would verify your claim:

“I would hit them so hard like they’ve never been before. I would do my best, absolute best, I mean one of the problems that we have and one of the reasons that we’re so ineffective, is they’re trying to, they’re using them as shields. A horrible thing. They’re using them as shields. But we’re fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. But they say they don’t care about their lives. You have to take out their families.” -Trump
NLXSK1 said:
Working under an agreed upon compensation schedule with your employer.
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Then why are you crying your eyes out about the agreed upon tax rates from the federal government? Didn't employers agree to pay those taxes when they started their business?
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

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The establishment GOP is about to go full throttle on Trump and he'll go independent, and you thought the GOP had problems wait til he goes "I" that'll really fuck up their world.

I'm sitting back and enjoying the complete meltdown of the GOP, love it!!

B4L
 
Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
When did I ever say trump would be a great president? You wont find it. I think it is always about Trump with Trump which will not make him a great president. However, his business sense could do a lot of good for the country economically.

Hillary is Obama term III. I am getting killed by Obamacare, there is no real signs of a good recovery yet and Hillary Clinton wants to make it worse. She wants equal work for equal pay. How is that achieved? Is the government going to start defining jobs and ensuring a set rate for them? She wants to raise the minimum wage which hurts jobs, etc.

Trump can get the wall built across the border with mexico on time and under budget. I think he may be able to help with regulation. His tax cut plan is fantastic. No taxes for anyone making under 25,000 per year. Couples making up to 50,000 pay no taxes. He also cuts rates on the rich and corporations. I am hoping he is able to cut the other side of the equation meaning the government budget.

Basically, Trump is the best avenue for prosperity in the country. All Clinton, Sanders, and Rubio offer is bigger government. Cruz is just a dick that nobody likes and he started insinuating that Trump's mob connections might be hidden in his tax returns which I find totally distasteful. Rubio has tried to be Trump Jr. due to desperation but he is coming off like a fool.

So we got 4 lifetime politicians and Trump. I am sick of the politicians.
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so basically you think Trump with make a great president but don't have any idea why.
 
rkymtnman

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
The establishment GOP is about to go full throttle on Trump and he'll go independent, and you thought the GOP had problems wait til he goes "I" that'll really fuck up their world.

I'm sitting back and enjoying the complete meltdown of the GOP, love it!!

B4L
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i told my dad months ago that wouldn't it be funny if rubio gets the RNC nod but trump has won the popular GOP vote. i hope that comes true. utter chaos!
 
nitro harley

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rkymtnman said:
simple GOP logic: trump is great, whatever he does is great. the end. it'll be terrific!
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I think if you go back to BarryO's biggest achievement, and use that same logic that the Dems used to ram the ACA down americas throat you will notice. That Trump is using the democratic playbook. You will find out about all the goodies when Trump is elected. Sound familiar?

I mentioned on this forum way back then that the Dems were writing the most bad ass playbook known to man. And now it is batter up! TRUMP!
 
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Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
The wall is going to cost $1.00. I stand by my estimate until proven otherwise.
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$1.00 to build the wall? Credible source for this? Did you get it from the Donalds quivering tripple chinned mouth? Seriously, his chin quivers when he talks. Its so disgusting its almost hypnotic. Maybe that's why so many weak minded people vote for him.



The wall is a good example of the kind of president Trump wants to be. Why would you vote for a person to be president that has huge promises and provides nothing to explain how he will deliver on them.

Without any other estimates, I dug around and found something that at least makes a smidgen of sense regarding the cost of that wall.

Source: http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb

Raw materials cost alone is $17 Billion:
Going off of materials estimate we have… 167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000 1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

But that's not all. you have to pay somebody to build it. Rule of thumb is the cost to pay somebody to build a project is about the same as the materials cost. So, another $17 Billion

Total thus far: $34 Billion

Then there are legally required environmental impact studies, mitigation for environmental impact and land that would have to be purchased where the wall crosses private land. So, way rough estimate, add another $6 billion

Do you have anything with some sort of citation that says 200 million to build this wall? How about anything credible out there that provides an estimate better than mine? Until you do, I'll stand by my estimate.
 
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