SuperSoil vs Organic Bottled Nutes

Kaptain Kronic

Kaptain Kronic

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Ok, with the situation i am in, we want top notch taste and potency with with cleanliness (no chemicals) we are willing to sacrifice a little by way of yield for the best cleanest tastes with no chemicals, with high potency.

Now then ... an experienced grower told me that "HotSoils" or "SuperSoil" or the "Organic Living Soils" are so hot that there are alot of unused nutrients still in the soil and still being taken up by the plant, at the time of harvest. This is compared to a plant grown with bottled nutrients, either organic or synthetic, or compost teas as well, that would be subjected to flushing.

thoughts and opinions are very much appreciated

Kaptain Kronic
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Rock dusts and seed sprout teas bring out the best flavor .

Toss the bottles, forget super soil. It's redundant. Living soil is the way to go. It only hot if you don't let it cook enough. The super soil is much hotter it has a lot more nitrogen in the mix.

My mix
Peat moss, vermicompost (homemade), pumice. Equal amounts of each.

Then per cu ft
1/2 cup crab shell meal
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/4 cup neem cake
1/4 cup fish bone meal
1 cup oyster shell flour
3 cups basalt rock dust

Mix up and cook for at least a month. 2 months would be better.

Cooking soil means to compost or for everything to break down and the microbes become active.

Then next batches just topdress half the amount in the mix and topdress vermicompost after replanting new plant.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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The thing with bottled nutes is that you are bypassing the soil food web and force feeding the plant. When you force feed a plant like this, it doesn't have a choice about taking up the nutrients, osmotic pressure forces the nutes into the roots. This is why you have to stop feeding and flush the excess salts out of the soil when feeding with bottled nutes.

With living soil, the plant produces exudates from the roots to attract and multiply the specific microbes necessary to produce the specific nutrients that the plant needs to grow to it's full genetic potential. Most of us experience fade towards the end of a run in living soil. IMO this isn't down lack of nutrients in the soil, rather the plant doesn't need to take nutes out of the soil anymore and starts using the easier accessed nutrients already stored in it's leaves. Horticulturalist's call this natural progression 'plant senescence' and it's probably part of the reason why we don't need to flush, the other being the lack of salt build up from using bottled products.
 
Kaptain Kronic

Kaptain Kronic

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DonBrennon said:
The thing with bottled nutes is that you are bypassing the soil food web and force feeding the plant. When you force feed a plant like this, it doesn't have a choice about taking up the nutrients, osmotic pressure forces the nutes into the roots. This is why you have to stop feeding and flush the excess salts out of the soil when feeding with bottled nutes.

With living soil, the plant produces exudates from the roots to attract and multiply the specific microbes necessary to produce the specific nutrients that the plant needs to grow to it's full genetic potential. Most of us experience fade towards the end of a run in living soil. IMO this isn't down lack of nutrients in the soil, rather the plant doesn't need to take nutes out of the soil anymore and starts using the easier accessed nutrients already stored in it's leaves. Horticulturalist's call this natural progression 'plant senescence' and it's probably part of the reason why we don't need to flush, the other being the lack of salt build up from using bottled products.
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Homy, that was the explanation i was looking for :)
 
danky supreme

danky supreme

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hyroot said:
Rock dusts and seed sprout teas bring out the best flavor .

Toss the bottles, forget super soil. It's redundant. Living soil is the way to go. It only hot if you don't let it cook enough. The super soil is much hotter it has a lot more nitrogen in the mix.

My mix
Peat moss, vermicompost (homemade), pumice. Equal amounts of each.

Then per cu ft
1/2 cup crab shell meal
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/4 cup neem cake
1/4 cup fish bone meal
1 cup oyster shell flour
3 cups basalt rock dust

Mix up and cook for at least a month. 2 months would be better.

Cooking soil means to compost or for everything to break down and the microbes become active.

Then next batches just topdress half the amount in the mix and topdress vermicompost after replanting new plant.
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When you say "topdress half the amount in the mix" do you mean half the rate of the crab shell, kelp, neem, etc. as you put in originally? Also do you let this topdress cook as well or do you just plant your new plant and topdress right after?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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danky supreme said:
When you say "topdress half the amount in the mix" do you mean half the rate of the crab shell, kelp, neem, etc. as you put in originally? Also do you let this topdress cook as well or do you just plant your new plant and topdress right after?
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After harvest. Pull stalk then replant new plant or replant new plant next to stalk (the old stalk will fall over and break off on its own eventually ) Top dress amendments at half the rate of the soil mix. Then top dress castings / compost and then water. The castings and compost on top will help break down the amendments faster. Along with enzymes from seed sprout teas or coconut water or top dressing malted seeds. That will all break down the old roots as well. Plus the microbes feed on the old roots
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Bottled nutrients aren't organic, they are salt based and are literally the opposite of organic feeding, salt based nutrients force feed the plant.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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The only bottle that should be near an organic grow is unsulfured molasses. Salt based bottled nutrients are not organic , and even the soy based ones have preservatives in them. Organic growers make their own mixes and have a fully amended soil that doesn't need extra nutrients.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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chuck estevez said:
there is a lot of organic bullshit in here, force feed the plant, flushing, natural fading, chemical taste LMFAO, you hippies come up with all kinds of stuff to get you higher on your horse.
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You must not understand what chelated nutrients are and how they got like that.
 
Beemo

Beemo

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Yodaweed said:
The only bottle that should be near an organic grow is unsulfured molasses. Salt based bottled nutrients are not organic , and even the soy based ones have preservatives in them. Organic growers make their own mixes and have a fully amended soil that doesn't need extra nutrients.
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please stop....
there are other ways to grow organic....
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Let me point something from the FIRST PART of YOUR link, did YOU read it?

Usually these ligands are organic compounds, and are called chelants, chelators, chelating agent

In nature[edit]
Numerous biomolecules exhibit the ability to dissolve certain metal cations. Thus, proteins, polysaccharides, and polynucleic acids are excellent polydentate ligands for many metal ions. Organic compounds such as the amino acids glutamic acid and histidine, organic diacids such as malate, and polypeptides such as phytochelatin are also typical chelators. In addition to these adventitious chelators, several biomolecules are specifically produced to bind certain metals (see next section).[5][6][7][8]
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Rrog said:
To make that comparison more accurate, the bottle is factory-made formula with no microbes and hormones helping.
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I use great white, and if you are going to tell me that because I use dyna gro, I am killing those, I would be happy to take a pic next transplant to show you that is not the case.
 
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