Revealed: the 30-year economic betrayal dragging down Generation Y’s income

Padawanbater2

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Exclusive new data shows how debt, unemployment and property prices have combined to stop millennials taking their share of western wealth

The full scale of the financial rout facing millennials is revealed today in exclusive new data that points to a perfect storm of factors besetting an entire generation of young adults around the world.

A combination of debt, joblessness, globalisation, demographics and rising house prices is depressing the incomes and prospects of millions of young people across the developed world, resulting in unprecedented inequality between generations.

A Guardian investigation into the prospects of millennials – those born between 1980 and the mid-90s, and often otherwise known as Generation Y – has found they are increasingly being cut out of the wealth generated in western societies.

Where 30 years ago young adults used to earn more than national averages, now in many countries they have slumped to earning as much as 20% below their average compatriot. Pensioners by comparison have seen income soar.



In seven major economies in North America and Europe, the growth in income of the average young couple and families in their 20s has lagged dramatically behind national averages over the past 30 years.

In two of these countries – the US and Italy – disposable incomes for millennials are scarcely higher in real terms than they were 30 years ago, while the rest of the population has experienced handsome gains.

It is likely to be the first time in industrialised history, save for periods of war or natural disaster, that the incomes of young adults have fallen so far when compared with the rest of society.

Experts are warning that this unfair settlement will have grave implications for everything from social cohesion to family formation.

A two-week Guardian project, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, aims to explore this predicament in depth and ask what can be done.

Using exclusive data from the largest database of international incomes in the world, at LIS (Luxembourg Income Study): Cross-National Data Center, the investigation into the situation in Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the US has also established that:

  • Prosperity has plummeted for young adults in the rich world.
  • In the US, under-30s are now poorer than retired people.
  • In the UK, pensioner disposable income has grown prodigiously – three times as fast as the income of young people.
Millennials have suffered real terms losses in wages in the US, Italy, France, Spain, Germany and Canada and in some countries this was underway even before the 2008 financial crisis.

“The situation is tough for young people,” said Angel Gurría, secretary general of the west’s leading think tank, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). “They were hit hard by the Great Recession, and their labour market situation has improved only little since.

“This is a problem we must address now urgently. Kicking it down the road will hurt our children and society as a whole.”

Gurría said there had been a shift since the mid-80s in poverty rates, which started to rise among younger cohorts while falling among pensioners. However, the world of barren opportunities facing today’s young people should be of concern to all age groups, he added.

“Current working-age, middle-class groups are increasingly concerned with their and their children’s job prospects. An increasing number of people think children in their country will be worse off financially than their parents,” he said.

Using LIS’s household survey data, the Guardian examined the disposable incomes and wages of young families in eight of the 15 largest developed economies in the world. Together these countries made up 43% of the world’s GDP in 2014.

These surveys, carried out over decades, are intended to pick up what is happening on the ground in people’s homes, and are the best way of distilling domestic realities from governmental level data.

The data accessed by the Guardian found that in the US, France, Germany, Italy and Canada the average disposable income of people in their early 20s is more than 20% below national averages.

For the first time in France, recent pensioners generated more disposable income than families headed by a person under 50. In Italy the average under-35 became poorer than average pensioners under 80. Using the most recent US data, in the midst of the downturn in 2013, average under-30s had less income than those aged 65-79. This is the first time that has happened as far back as the data goes.

Millennials interviewed by the Guardian said they felt their generation was facing far greater hurdles to establish themselves as independent adults than previous generations did.

Fiona Pattison, a 30-year-old accounts director at a fundraising agency, said that despite pay rises and promotions her lifestyle hadn’t changed in six years. “Everything I’ve made in terms of a pay rise has gone into living and saving. My lifestyle has remained exactly the same. Any dent in employment or income would mean I’d have to go back to sharing again.”

Londoner Tanaka Mhishi, who works in a bookshop, adds: “I definitely think in a lot of ways my parents’ generation was luckier. They had a lot more freedom to do things younger: they were able to go straight from university and move to London and afford their own flat.

“We definitely have to make more compromises. Compromises like if I want to have kids by the time I’m 30, or even 40, can I still have the career I want to do?”

Paul Johnson, director of the Institute of Fiscal Studies, said he feared intergenerational inequality would fuel wider inequality in society because youngsters with rich parents would retain such an unfair advantage in the important years of early adulthood.

Johnson said: “I think the real unfairness issue comes in the sense that it’s become more and more important whether your parents happen to have a house.”

For the next fortnight the Guardian will delve into the fortunes, feelings and finances of the developed world’s young adults, as well as looking at fallacies surrounding them.

In our series, we will reveal that today’s young people are not delaying adulthood because they are – as the New Yorker once put it – “the most indulged young people in the history of the world”. Instead, it appears they are not hitting the basic stages of adulthood at the same time as previous generations because such milestones are so much more costly and in some cases they are even being paid less than their parents were at the same age.

In Australia, millennials are being inched out of the housing market. In the UK, new figures will show the notion of a property-owning democracy has already been terminated. In the US, debt is the millennial millstone – young people are sitting on $1.3tn of student debt.

Across Europe, the issue centres more around jobs – and the lack of them. The numbers of thirtysomethings still living with their parents is stubbornly high in countries such as Italy and Spain, with grave implications for birthrates and family formation in places whose demographics are already badly skewed towards elderly people.

“We’ve never had, since the dawn of capitalism really, this situation of a population that is ageing so much and in some countries also shrinking, and we just don’t know whether we can continue growing the economy in the same way we once have,” said Prof Diane Coyle, an economist and former UK Treasury adviser.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-year-economic-betrayal-dragging-down-generation-y-income
 

bu$hleaguer

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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, production has increased since millennials entered the workforce;



So we actually work harder, longer and for much less compensation and no benefits than previous generations. Imagine that..
I definitely agree that millennials definitely get screwed as far as the economy and housing go. Don't get me wrong. But they suck ass as far as employees go. They're more concerned with compensation and benefits and hand outs than they are with climbing the ladder and doing the time. If they realized how much more they'd get if they shut their mouths and kept their heads down and just busted their asses compared to complaining and demanding, they'd be paid more and be in better positions, at least in my experience.
 

Padawanbater2

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But they suck ass as far as employees go. They're more concerned with compensation and benefits and hand outs than they are with climbing the ladder and doing the time. If they realized how much more they'd get if they shut their mouths and kept their heads down and just busted their asses compared to complaining and demanding, they'd be paid more and be in better positions, at least in my experience.
That's your opinion, which is useless in this discussion

Where is the evidence that says millennials are any worse employees than previous generations?

If they're worse, why do they produce more for less compensation?
 

bu$hleaguer

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That's your opinion, which is useless in this discussion

Where is the evidence that says millennials are any worse employees than previous generations?

If they're worse, why do they produce more for less compensation?
It's not opinion, I've seen it first hand. They suck ass. Probably 90%+ of my hires have been millennials, and that's no lie. Nothing speaks truth like seeing it first hand. If I had applicants that weren't millenials I'd hire differently but that's how it is- I give em all a chance but fuck dude they've been a poor representation of your age group
 

testiclees

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It's not opinion, I've seen it first hand. They suck ass. Probably 90%+ of my hires have been millennials, and that's no lie. Nothing speaks truth like seeing it first hand. If I had applicants that weren't millenials I'd hire differently but that's how it is- I give em all a chance but fuck dude they've been a poor representation of your age group

bro maybe the problem is jackass managers with little understanding of organizational dynamics and relevant incentives. Could be your organizational culture is only a fit for folks who give a fuck about making you prosperous???
 

schuylaar

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I definitely agree that millennials definitely get screwed as far as the economy and housing go. Don't get me wrong. But they suck ass as far as employees go. They're more concerned with compensation and benefits and hand outs than they are with climbing the ladder and doing the time. If they realized how much more they'd get if they shut their mouths and kept their heads down and just busted their asses compared to complaining and demanding, they'd be paid more and be in better positions, at least in my experience.
geeze, not compensation and benefits?

what were they thinking?
 

bu$hleaguer

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bro maybe the problem is jackass managers with little understanding of organizational dynamics and relevant incentives. Could be your organizational culture is only a fit for folks who give a fuck about making you prosperous???
Not really. Nice try though bro. Every week we have a goal in sales. If we beat it, every single dollar gets split up among my staff based on hours worked that quarter. Major incentive and they make a big bonus for being successful.

They'd rather show up late, leave early and formulate a fantastic excuse as to why they don't work hard.
 

schuylaar

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It's not opinion, I've seen it first hand. They suck ass. Probably 90%+ of my hires have been millennials, and that's no lie. Nothing speaks truth like seeing it first hand. If I had applicants that weren't millenials I'd hire differently but that's how it is- I give em all a chance but fuck dude they've been a poor representation of your age group
slinging ice cream is a thankless job..
 

schuylaar

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Not really. Nice try though bro. Every week we have a goal in sales. If we beat it, every single dollar gets split up among my staff based on hours worked that quarter. Major incentive and they make a big bonus for being successful.

They'd rather show up late, leave early and formulate a fantastic excuse as to why they don't work hard.
how much is is the average bonus per quarter?
 

Padawanbater2

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It's not opinion, I've seen it first hand. They suck ass. Probably 90%+ of my hires have been millennials, and that's no lie. Nothing speaks truth like seeing it first hand. If I had applicants that weren't millenials I'd hire differently but that's how it is- I give em all a chance but fuck dude they've been a poor representation of your age group
Yes it is, that's anecdotal evidence, that's exactly what it means;

"based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation"

Even if you felt that way about 100% of the millennials you hire, it is still a generalization. I could make the exact same generalization about older generations of workers and it would be just as useless as yours is about millennials for this discussion

You're under the impression that we work under a form of meritocracy, that is that the harder you work, the more you will benefit when every shred of evidence available says the opposite. 62 people in America own more wealth than the bottom 50% combined, do you think those 62 people just worked super duper hard to accumulate that much wealth and 165 million Americans are just lazy dead beats who can't tie their shoes in the morning? How is it even possible for a single person to work hard enough to own more than half of what everybody else owns combined?

Millions of poor people hold more than one full time job, are they lazy? Why are they still poor?

50% of American workers earn less than $30K/year. Are they all just lazy?

Walmart receives billions in government subsidies every year and pay their employees a wage that requires them to utilize government relief programs like SNAP costing the American taxpayers an additional $6.2 billion per year while recording record profits. Is that ethical?


Where are your facts? Come back with facts or don't come at all.
 

Padawanbater2

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Depends, holiday season is when we take it in, same as most restaurants. In 2015 in the 4th quarter each employee got a check for $643.
Something isn't adding up. You're basically saying you treat your employees better than the overwhelming majority of jobs out there, yet they're still the shittiest workers I've ever read about...

So either you are the worst person on planet Earth able to vet potential employees, have set unreachable standards for them or you're not being truthful
 

bu$hleaguer

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Something isn't adding up. You're basically saying you treat your employees better than the overwhelming majority of jobs out there, yet they're still the shittiest workers I've ever read about...

So either you are the worst person on planet Earth able to vet potential employees, have set unreachable standards for them or you're not being truthful
You don't know what you're talking about, that's the issue at hand. You read charts and search google for stats that fit your argument but you have no real life experience to back it up. You don't hire folks so your input doesn't matter in this argument.

My employees are great people, they certainly kick ass, and I reward them when they earn the business above our goals. However compared to past kitchen staff I have worked with they can't hold a candle. Believe what you choose to believe, but I know I would rather work in a kitchen with someone who is over 35 than someone who is under it. In a kitchen diplomas and certificates don't mean shit, in fact I speak Spanish (broken kitchen Spanglish) also, and hire Mexicans almost immediately without question because they are always better and harder workers than college educated or trade school (culinary) educated millenials.
 
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