EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

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schuylaar

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bearkat42 said:
Bernie's problem with AA voters is quite simple. He can't seem to effectively separate "race" from "class". All of his answers with regards to race, always end up being about an economic solution. And, quite frankly, it makes him come off as tone deaf. He needs to understand that me having all of the money in the world means nothing if my white neighbors don't want me living in the neighborhood.
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1. I believe it's how he verbalizes as opposed to 'separating' race from class.

2. you're white neighbors are therefore racist and nothing, not even Sanders, can undo that.

let me ask you..why would so many black people vote for Hillary knowing that she takes money and MUST pay back this money through 'favors' to the very people who have caused Michigan's destruction and crumbling cities in the first place?

Hillary Clinton is no friend of the AA community..as long as money remains in the political system she is working for them, not YOU.

and as far as I could tell, those people in Michigan want to be the priority..Clinton will NEVER make them the priority..she can't, she must repay favors to Wall Street.

Clinton is bought and paid for..dig?:wink:
 
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ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Everybody here already admits she'll be horrible, but the thing is, no matter how horrible she is, she's still lightyears ahead of every single republican candidate

For you to deny that either means you don't fully understand how American politics works, or you're too prideful to swallow your ego and vote for the lesser of two evils

If you sit and wait for your picture perfect candidate to take the nomination before you vote, you actively disenfranchise yourself for later possible elections
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I believe she and I both know how the game works- and our words, intentions and actions add up to how we'll deal with it.

I'm not sure my actions will be the same as @schuylaar's but I certainly understand where she's coming from.

It's time a lot more of us citizens did the same instead of slipping back into those comfortable old yokes of us vs them, or he said, she said.
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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schuylaar said:
1. I believe it's how he verbalizes as opposed to 'separating' race from class.

2. you're white neighbors are therefore racist and nothing, not even Sanders, can undo that.

let me ask you..why would so many black people vote for Hillary knowing that she takes money and MUST pay back this money through 'favors' to the very people who have caused Michigan's destruction and crumbling cities in the first place?

Hillary Clinton is no friend of the AA community..as long as money remains in the political system she is working for them, not YOU.

and as far as I could tell, those people in Michigan want to be the priority..Clinton will NEVER make them the priority..she can't, she must repay favors to Wall Street.

Clinton is bought and paid for..dig?:wink:
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It's not necessarily about what he can do about it, but people, by nature, want a certain level of empathy. When AA's voice grievances about very real things like police brutality, his response can't be "More jobs!".
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
I believe she and I both know how the game works- and our words, intentions and actions add up to how we'll deal with it.

I'm not sure my actions will be the same as @schuylaar's but I certainly understand where she's coming from.

It's time a lot more of us citizens did the same instead of slipping back into those comfortable old yokes of us vs them, or he said, she said.
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again, I ask the question:

if not now..when?

as the repukes are so fond of saying..'just kicking the can down the road'

we've NOW identified what the problem is (it's ALL rigged against us) this, there is no doubt, but it must stop somewhere and now is the time..not another generation from now or maybe the one after or the one after that.
 
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schuylaar

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bearkat42 said:
It's not necessarily about what he can do about it, but people, by nature, want a certain level of empathy. When AA's voice grievances about very real things like police brutality, his response can't be "More jobs!".
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but that wasn't the question..it was 'racial blind spot' and like I said neither answered the question.

regarding Ferguson, he did say making the police a composite of the city they patrol and hire from within the community was one of his solutions..he actually came up with several solutions that were fresh, that Clinton did not.

have you ever checked berniesanders.com? you can get a more polished version of his ideas for the country.

btw..was Hillary ever arrested for trying to desegregate Chicago schools?

I think not..actually during that time she was a republican.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwiK9eeHj7LLAhUByYMKHXVKBLEQFggfMAM&url=http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/&usg=AFQjCNESGSDRII0oqZi-uHfXV-UHVRMPpA&sig2=7HLmh35QSHAmuoP9mEsGYA
 
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bearkat42

bearkat42

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schuylaar said:
but that wasn't the question..it was 'racial blind spot' and like I said neither answered the question.

regarding Ferguson, he did say making the police a composite of the city they patrol and hire from within the community was one of his solutions..he actually came up with several solutions that were fresh, that Clinton did not.

have you ever checked berniesanders.com? you can get a more polished version of his ideas for the country.

btw..was Hillary ever arrested for trying to desegregate Chicago schools?

I think not..actually during that time she was a republican.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwiK9eeHj7LLAhUByYMKHXVKBLEQFggfMAM&url=http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/&usg=AFQjCNESGSDRII0oqZi-uHfXV-UHVRMPpA&sig2=7HLmh35QSHAmuoP9mEsGYA
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I'm not talking about any specific questions. I'm just telling you generally how he comes across. You can believe this or you continue living in your "Bernie bubble", and watch Hillary walk to the nomination. I've read that she has African American women on her campaign staff basically hired for purpose preventing her from coming across this way. African American voters see Bernie talking "at" them instead of "to" them.
 
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schuylaar

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bearkat42 said:
I'm not talking about any specific questions. I'm just telling you generally how he comes across. You can believe this or you continue living in your "Bernie bubble", and watch Hillary walk to the nomination. I've read that she has African American women on her campaign staff basically hired for purpose preventing her from coming across this way. African American voters see Bernie talking "at" them instead of "to" them.
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Hillary has black women teaching her how to act towards other blacks?

Nobody had to teach Sanders to how march with Dr King or fight for desegregation..guess blacks were different back then..

let me ask you a question, why does that not seem to make a difference?
when he mentioned these things to the audience there was no applause for his efforts. why not? this was at a time when it was as dangerous to a white man as it was a black man to be involved in such activities. this person stood for something as s young college kid now a presidential hopeful..it seems to carry no weight or bearing.
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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schuylaar said:
Hillary has black women teaching her how to act towards other blacks?

Nobody had to teach Sanders to how march with Dr King or fight for desegregation..guess blacks were different back then..

let me ask you a question, why does that not seem to make a difference?
when he mentioned these things to the audience there was no applause for his efforts. why not? this was at a time when it was as dangerous to a white man as it was a black man to be involved in such activities. this person stood for something as s young college kid now a presidential hopeful..it seems to carry no weight or bearing.
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Because it was 50 years ago. What civil rights was he fighting for in the 70's, 80's, & 90's? If your civil rights record is that stellar, folks shouldn't have to be reminded of it. Make no mistake, I applaud his efforts in the 60's, but that was a long time ago. And in terms of Hillary having AA's on her staff to help with these situations, if nothing else, it shows you that she's playing this game to win.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Bernie won Michigan, but still lost the over all delegate count. He needs blowouts, just like Hillary gave him in Mississippi, to gain any ground. His Michigan win still keeps him in the game if only to collect more money and give more speeches. No blow outs mean the superdelegates will still stay firmly with Hillary, which means Hillary will get the nod. Just looks like later rather than sooner
 
astronautrob

astronautrob

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Feel the Bern! Sanders takes Michigan! The overall delegate count doesn't mean much right there are still a lot of states that Mr. Sanders is sure to do very well in. This was a battle state, and one that just yesterday Hillary "reportedly" was definitely supposed to win just yesterday, so comparing it to southern states that Hillary blew Sanders out in has no bearing. I voted for Sanders in my CO caucus and I'm on the Bernie train right now! Superdelgates will flock to whoever has the support, they will quickly change to Bernie once Hillary starts to falter more just like she did in '08
 
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schuylaar

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londonfog said:
I'm not, but I'm a numbers guy. I learned at about the age of 4 or 5 you can't argue fucking numbers. Bernie gain no ground tonight. In fact he still lost ground according to numbers. Do you need me to show you ?
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super delegate..those who are needed to maintain CONTROL..I thought you men don't like to be controlled..
 
londonfog

londonfog

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schuylaar said:
super delegate..those who are needed to maintain CONTROL..I thought you men don't like to be controlled..
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not counting super-delegates, Hillary gained 18 delegates last night. That's even with her losing Michigan. Bernie is not going to win if he does not start gaining delegates
I guess if you didn't like the superdelegate setup, you and Bernie should have started complaining long ago. Too late to start when you see it not going your way. Hillary learned this in 2008.
 
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