FLUSHING before harvest... BS or not?

[Ask Limpy]

you can flush nutes out of the soil but the plants would suffer O2 deprivation so I wouldn't do it in soil, the original talk was about flushing salt ridden mediums esp coco if u cocked up, no need if u havnt, coco growing is all about keeping the root zone the correct pH and ec, reading the leaves tells me if ive got it right

I def read the leaves, check the trichs. I set my water out and put an air stone in, partly to oxegenate partly to help it evaporate any thing it can evaporate out. Haven't noticed o2 deprivation as of yet but water is always the last week's so not much can go wrong by that point. Water is H2o the O being oxygen.

 

[Ask Limpy]

Well ...what about tobacco?
Do cigar aficionados look for a white ash? Is ash color a sign of quality?
I searched this and according to the first few links that popped up...No.


http://www.stogiefresh.info/edu-tobacco/articles/The-Color-of-Ash.html

"The color of a cigar's ash is dependent on one major factor: the nutrients in the soil. Regardless of where the tobacco is grown, or what type of tobacco it is, the major contributor to the color of the ash in a finished cigar will be the balance of nutrients in the soil where the tobacco was grown."

https://paynemason.com/is-white-ash-a-sign-a-of-quality/

"This myth was promoted by many of the new cigar smokers in the cigar boom of the nineteen nineties. The fact is the color of the ash has no relevance to the quality of the cigar. The color of the ash is a direct result of the composition of the soil from which the tobaccos where grown. White ash simply means that the soil from where the tobacco was grown was high in phosphorus and calcium. Dominican, Honduran and Cuban soils are generally low in phosphorous and calcium and higher in magnesium. Magnesium tends to offer a sweeter smoke, with a darker and flakier ash. In most cases, gray ash will indicate healthier tobacco. Ash that is too white or too black is generally less desirable."

Try smoking a joint with black ash

 

[abalonehx]

Try smoking a joint with black ash

Only time Ive seen mostly black ash is when its wet,..not sufficently dried

 

[Ask Limpy]

We talking weed or tobacco ? Cause if you've ever tried to smoke a joint with a hard black ash you'll quickly realize that color in this case does make a difference.

 

[Ask Limpy]

Only time Ive seen mostly black ash is when its wet,..not sufficently dried

Agreed wet weed does burn black but really dirty weed with lots of nutes and boosters left in it will burn black or dark dark grey no matter how much you dry it out. At least this has been my experience which is the reason I always choose to flush. Particularly with flood and drain.

 

[abalonehx]

I meant cannabis.
I'm just not convinced about the ash color theory & flushing yet though.

 

[Yodaweed]

If you have questions about flushing just do a sample, flush 1 plant and don't flush another plant see if there is any difference.

 

[Ask Limpy]

I think in DWC

using just water for the last 2 to 4 weeks, can save a load on plant food but also you can get crazy ph swings

I`d keep a barrel of stable water for putting the plants in for the last few days, means I could clean up what they were in and get the next plant moved over

I`m all for using less food near the end to save money so long as nothing bad happens because of it

but people using just water, I`m not sure if that was started because of all the salts and buffers a lot of 1 and 2 part liquid feeds have in them ?

Most of the stuff that`s not "hard water" or "soft water" or self ph`ing, that stuff seems to be fine

but some foods have boost`s pgr`s and salts and all kinds of buffers in them, not using them for the last 2 to 4 weeks or at all might make weed taste better

but sugar, molasses and honey always makes it taste better in coco and keeps the bugs in the root zone

Don`t think doing sugar water in DWC would last very long think you`d get rot in 2 to 10 days


As for the aspirin, it actually helps plants yellow their leaves faster and can be used as a root stim

I like it for when a plant is close to finish but most of the leaves or all of them are still green

add some aspirin and they suck up the fan leaves and put that sugar in the buds, depends how a plant looks as to weather or not I use it, if it`s all yellowed up already then you can just chop it at night normally no real need to flush, I try not to give any "boosts" for 2 to 4 weeks some stuff 6 weeks before the end, even seaweed extract and such I don`t like to "waste" on the last 4 to 6 weeks, plus we use large sacks so I`m sure it takes a few feeds of sugar water before the coco is out of nutes, and also all the bennies we use must be turning that sugar into some good stuff for the plants

also sugar means the microbes in your rootzone and make extra co2

and probably flushing with silicone would give you more CBA during the last weeks that would give you more thc after chop/cure, but you never see any one say in coco and hydro that silicone flush is key, lol

I agree, you def save on nutes the last cple weeks. Pleanty of salts built up in the plant and medium. I've also noticed with flood and drain, once you switch to water that even tho the resivoir is clean and clear water at first after each feeding it comes back the color of mixed nutes, maybe a lil darker. By the end of the growth cycle tho the water comes back clearer and clearer until it's eventually not noticeably changing color at all.

 

[abalonehx]

If you have questions about flushing just do a sample, flush 1 plant and don't flush another plant see if there is any difference.

Do you guys know of any sites that have pictures of side by side comparisons of overly ferted vs.
well flushed .. pics of joints of the same strain showing ash color difference....that would be interesting

 

[abalonehx]

but Im speaking of soil grown, sorry. was the original topic concerning dwc,coco?

 

[Yodaweed]

Do you guys know of any sites that have pictures of side by side comparisons of overly ferted vs.
well flushed .. pics of joints of the same strain showing ash color difference....that would be interesting

I don't but from personal experience when I grow non-organic I always flush, salt based fertlizers seem to make the ash black and smoke harsh as hell. I could be wrong, but that's how I do it when I grow hydroponics. In organic I don't flush, mainly because the entire grow is like a long flush.

 

[Yodaweed]

but Im speaking of soil grown, sorry. was the original topic concerning dwc,coco?

If you are using bottled nutrients you are doing soil Drain to Waste hydroponics.

 

[Ask Limpy]

I don't but from personal experience when I grow non-organic I always flush, salt based fertlizers seem to make the ash black and smoke harsh as hell. I could be wrong, but that's how I do it when I grow hydroponics. In organic I don't flush, mainly because the entire grow is like a long flush.

Agreed

 

[SPLFreak808]

Try smoking a joint with black ash

That's just simply a cure gone wrong. Find some weed that burns white, dip it in water and burn it again, BOOM black ash. The same thing happens with ALL under-cured improperly dried weed flushed or not.

When you flush/boil it speeds the dry/cure process tricking you into thinking it works when you loose 10 days of swell.

 

[Honey Oil Riot Squad]

That's just simply a cure gone wrong. Find some weed that burns white, dip it in water and burn it again, BOOM black ash. The same thing happens with ALL under-cured improperly dried weed flushed or not.

When you flush/boil it speeds the dry/cure process tricking you into thinking it works when you loose 10 days of swell.

Exactly, well said.
Time to smoke is a bit shorter but it's not worth it (IMO) for the wasted yield.

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[Ask Limpy]

That's just simply a cure gone wrong. Find some weed that burns white, dip it in water and burn it again, BOOM black ash. The same thing happens with ALL under-cured improperly dried weed flushed or not.

When you flush/boil it speeds the dry/cure process tricking you into thinking it works when you loose 10 days of swell.

That's funny I'm pretty sure I specified that some weed no matter how you dry it burns black. It just simply is full of fertilizer and tastes like shit. No cure can fix that.

 

[saiyaneye]

This blew up a little bit today. I wish i had identical clones to test this with! I am sold on not flushing this grow, maybe just straight water the last three waters or something

 

[SPLFreak808]

That's funny I'm pretty sure I specified that some weed no matter how you dry it burns black. It just simply is full of fertilizer and tastes like shit. No cure can fix that.

You are telling us 3 seperate flushes would fix this? Talk about a black ash pheno lmao. I've never seen cured weed that burns black. That is just totally fucked up imo even overfed npk plants will burn white after a cure. Obviously the cure would take much longer though

 

[superbak3d]

never flush

 

[bryangtho]

I all ways flush for the last week