The end of LED is nigh. Incandescent will rise again.

Stephenj37826

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Ya, Eye Lighting recommends all homes have their kitchen fitted with PowerVeg UV Lamps :roll:
Once again T-5....... Great bulb for a T-5 still doesn't make it more than a T-5 lol. The Eye blue is quartz metal halide... The super hps is just a street lamp that was made to focus on some blue light to appear slightly whiter for street lamps. Maybe they do make great hid and T-5 products point being they are not like unbelievably better than what's available elsewhere.
 

StashToker

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HID is less expensive initial cost, I cannot see any other benefit vs LED. If production of the best quality buds is your only concern, and not cost. You can build a perfect focused spectrum LED that can cast all of the light your plants can drink, HID cannot do this currently.
 

OneHitDone

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Once again T-5....... Great bulb for a T-5 still doesn't make it more than a T-5 lol. The Eye blue is quartz metal halide... The super hps is just a street lamp that was made to focus on some blue light to appear slightly whiter for street lamps. Maybe they do make great hid and T-5 products point being they are not like unbelievably better than what's available elsewhere.
Your kind of like the pot calling the kettle black with your tone
What do you think a Cree CXB was originally designed for? Rumor has it they were intended for some type of high bay applications for human visual applications were they not? lol
 

GrowUrOwnDank

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Your kind of like the pot calling the kettle black with your tone
What do you think a Cree CXB was originally designed for? Rumor has it they were intended for some type of high bay applications for human visual applications were they not? lol
I'm gonna have to agree. Rm grows freeking dank. That boiling water flush tho. :shock: But he seems to get awesome results from what I remember seeing in his pics. I try not to hate on peeps grow style. I've seen some awesome shit around here. Using Blurple to HPS Flouro CFL COB. You really can't put down a mans grow if he is satisfied with own results. We have different objectives.
 

bicit

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I'm gonna have to agree. Rm grows freeking dank. That boiling water flush tho. :shock: But he seems to get awesome results from what I remember seeing in his pics. I try not to hate on peeps grow style. I've seen some awesome shit around here. Using Blurple to HPS Flouro CFL COB. You really can't put down a mans grow if he is satisfied with own results. We have different objectives.
I don't think anyone was knocking his grow.

I also think you'd have a hard time finding any of the resident vendors who do believe that the current (or even up coming) generation of cobs are the end-all-be-all of horticulture lighting.... Rather they're simply lowering the price of initial investment by simplifying assembly. Prices that continue to drop daily.

Funny thing I've noticed. My city has been replacing their old HID streetlights as they burn out with 2700k cob fixtures. So I don't think calling HID a street lamp is appropriate anymore :P
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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I don't think anyone was knocking his grow.

I also think you'd have a hard time finding any of the resident vendors who do believe that the current (or even up coming) generation of cobs are the end all be all of horticulture lighting.... Rather they're simply lowering the price of initial investment by simplifying assembly. Prices that continue to drop daily.

Funny thing I've noticed. My city has been replacing their old HID streetlights as they burn out with 2700k cob fixtures. So I don't think calling HID a street lamp is appropriate anymore :P
I've been seeing these COBS at gas stations. There has to be some truth in all this COB hype no doubt. I've seen many fads in my lifetime but this one has the enthusiasm behind it and I really believe it is probably the way to go based on the opinions of respected others who do this shut for a living, which I don't, but these dudes ain't just fricking around with a tiny micro like me. I don't need much. Progress. Yeah I respect that. I'm just lazy and stick with what works I guess. I can't justify buying a new light right now. But, if I were too, I would definately consider COB. Along with the tried and true HPS. It's all good.
 

Sativied

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Funny thing I've noticed. My city has been replacing their old HID streetlights as they burn out with 2700k cob fixtures. So I don't think calling HID a street lamp is appropriate anymore :P
I especially like the green ones, got them on a freeway nearby too, a bit surreal when it's empty. Green to give plants and animals a night too. Sure beats the yellow/orange imo.


You can build a perfect focused spectrum LED that can cast all of the light your plants can drink, HID cannot do this currently.
White cob leds neither. They are specifically "not" designed to build a plant focussed spectrum and go against the benefits of led growlights.
 

sixstring2112

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There's no one factor that translates into grams, but if a person can't make a more efficient light be a good thing it's not the light's fault.
this imo is the smartest post in this thread.it sounds like you just turn down or off exhaust and run the room 2 or 3 degrees hotter than you would with hid and cob will work fine/the same as hid but with less power ? i will try it the second i turn on my not made yet cobs lol
 

OneHitDone

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I especially like the green ones, got them on a freeway nearby too, a bit surreal when it's empty. Green to give plants and animals a night too. Sure beats the yellow/orange imo.


White cob leds neither. They are specifically "not" designed to build a plant focussed spectrum and go against the benefits of led growlights.
It seems like every led street light application I have seen locally they install them much lower and a lot closer together than the sodium lamps.
Anyone else noticing that?
 

kmog33

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I'm was reading on the leaf temps/photosynthesis rates on hps vs led and was curious about why using bare cobs close to the canopy to raise leaf temp wouldn't work. My bare cobs seem to put out some pretty decent heat out the front, and my cooling fans also blow down on the heatsink into the tent. Basically to change the heat that reaches my canopy, all I have to do is change the output on my exhaust fan. Would this not be an effective way to use the 40-50% of the heat generated that isn't light to heat canopy temps with the unit needing no additional outside factors to get my leaf temps to the point where my plants under the cobs are photosynthesizing at the same rate or better than hps with the added intensity of the cobs?


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bicit

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I've been seeing these COBS at gas stations. There has to be some truth in all this COB hype no doubt. I've seen many fads in my lifetime but this one has the enthusiasm behind it and I really believe it is probably the way to go based on the opinions of respected others who do this shut for a living, which I don't, but these dudes ain't just fricking around with a tiny micro like me. I don't need much. Progress. Yeah I respect that. I'm just lazy and stick with what works I guess. I can't justify buying a new light right now. But, if I were too, I would definately consider COB. Along with the tried and true HPS. It's all good.
I'm most interested to see what happens when the price and efficiency ratings of LED and HID fixtures are approximately the same. That is to say when you can get a ~40% efficient, 1000W(actual), LED fixture for ~$500....

Right now those of us building cobs are playing with interior decor lighting. Phosphor blends optimized for human eye response and packages best suited for retrofitting existing designs. Yet they work, and work phenomenally well despite that. So what's most exciting I think for most of us is the possibilities still on the horizon for LED when we do start seeing industry specific packages.

I'm cheap with finicky needs.... My rooms tend to be revolving doors with no singular setup lasting more than two consecutive sessions. My cob fixtures are a bit more accommodating to that. Yes I could go with 'what I know works' but then I wouldn't get the experience of making a ton of mistakes. Also shipping fragile glass bulbs has always been risky... By myself or the postman :P
 

bicit

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I especially like the green ones, got them on a freeway nearby too, a bit surreal when it's empty. Green to give plants and animals a night too. Sure beats the yellow/orange imo.
Those remind me too much of the mercury vapor lamps. They always give me that 'creepy' vibe for some reason or another.... I am actually quite fond of the dull orange glow from my 97 cri vero 18 and would be my first choice for outdoor lighting. Though a crisper white light would probably be better.

Is my red the same as your red :P
 

frica

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White cob leds neither. They are specifically "not" designed to build a plant focussed spectrum and go against the benefits of led growlights.
As opposed to HID which has a much worse spectrum.
Lower colour temp cobs fit nicely with the McRee curve, HPS has a shitton of yellow/orange.
 

OneHitDone

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My prediction is that those selling cob fixtures right now had better enjoy the cob wave while it lasts.
If/when the led makers start focusing on plant specific cobs I see the companies making the chips using them in their own fixtures or specific "authorized dealers" only.
Only the big boys will be in the main arena
 

StashToker

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My prediction is that those selling cob fixtures right now had better enjoy the cob wave while it lasts.
If/when the led makers start focusing on plant specific cobs I see the companies making the chips using them in their own fixtures or specific "authorized dealers" only.
Only the big boys will be in the main arena
Exactly. Look how many of those board based LEDs (which do work) china is already pumping out. Alibaba already has a few Chinese manufacturers doing cobs. The next step seems to be focused spectrum cobs. No wasted light.
 

Sativied

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As opposed to HID which has a much worse spectrum.
Lower colour temp cobs fit nicely with the McRee curve, HPS has a shitton of yellow/orange.
The difference is with LED you actually have a choice and then choose for suboptimal.

Those remind me too much of the mercury vapor lamps. They always give me that 'creepy' vibe for some reason or another....
Never seen those mercury vapor lamps in the streets, these are definitely leds. In urban areas they are white and bright as fuck. Can be hurtful on the eyes, this pic is actually from an article where people complained about the brightness:
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These will be blurple some day:
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Many already are:
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This was a test run that made the news because people were like wtf is all that purple light...
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It's actually from a hybrid setup though no idea if the hps was on.
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The goal is to heat all the greenhouses with geothermal heat.
http://www.hortidaily.com/article/3920/Netherlands-VB-Projects-realises-geothermal-heat-connection-and-network-for-ECW-in-Wieringermeer

They aren't just going for climate neutral either, they are supposed to become power plants.

Electricity saving is a promise LED can already live up to, applying it to plants is another story. White cobs for grow led is ironic and like @FranJan posted today: "COBs r sooooo dead" "Fuck COBs, I count the days till they die and I'm also counting the days till June so I can upgrade my Veros :). The only people who think COBs are here to stay are the ones with inventory" "Sorry but IMHO COBs are nothing more than a waypoint, they are far from perfect, especially for growing"
Inside information from the Bibled sekt ^^
 
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